The nature of light and the size of the Universe.

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

The nature of light.

A photon has has energy and momentum (weight) but no mass . It is obvious that light is vibrations of some medium (ether). This environment cannot but have resistance, damping or absorbing light vibrations with time and distance. I will describe the essence in simple words so as not to complicate and not drag out the explanation.

1) Water waves.
They spread longer (in time) than sound, but at a shorter distance (at a lower speed). Distribution medium: water.

2) Sound waves.
The lifetime of sound waves is shorter than that of water waves, but the speed (and distance) is greater. Distribution medium: atmosphere (gas).

3) Light waves.
By analogy, the lifetime of light waves should be much shorter than the lifetime of sound waves, but since the speed of light is about 300,000 km/s - the propagation distance is greater. Distribution medium: ether.

(a schematic representation of a photon - a conventional unit of oscillation (wave) of the ether)
Image text translation: The movement of one light wave (photon) from the source to complete attenuation and / or absorption by the medium (ether).

At the beginning of the 20th century, scientists rejected the completely plausible hypothesis of the Tired Light, began to carry out fortune-telling by redshifts of the spectrum (like on coffee grounds, only by the emission spectra), and billions of light years, black holes, dark energies, and distant, distant galaxies rushed.

Light years?

A photon cannot exist not only for years, but even for minutes. Example. Standing in the lake. You throw a stone. First you hear the sound, later the waves come. Waves on water, sound waves in a gaseous medium and light waves in ether are phenomena of the same nature, but of different orders due to the environment. If waves on water “live” for minutes, and sound waves in a gaseous medium “live” for seconds, then light waves in their medium (ether) “live” for a fraction of a second. All this depends on the power of the source of wave oscillations, so it can be assumed that light waves from the Sun can exist for several seconds, but not more (not minutes, and even less years).

Even if in the space environment (vacuum) there is no resistance, there is no heat exchange, then the distance is overcome (volume expansion with distance), which cannot occur absolutely without energy consumption. In addition, the space of the cosmic vacuum cannot be absolutely empty. There cannot but be certain, albeit minimal, resistance and heat transfer. Light years and 8 light minutes from Sun to Earth are physically impossible.

Again. Attentively. This is very important to understand. Overcoming distance in any environment, that is, regardless of the environment, cannot occur without energy consumption (or with zero energy consumption). Since a photon has a very low energy charge, and a very high speed of movement, and no medium (including space) can have absolutely zero resistance, then, accordingly, the lifetime (life) of one photon (wave oscillation of the medium - ether) is very short, not exceeding at least one minute.

Definition. The lifetime of a unit of wave oscillations (one wave) is inversely proportional to the speed of their propagation (or directly proportional to the inertia of the medium) and is directly proportional to the power of their source.

Since the ether is not scientifically recognized, it turns out that a photon is a conventional unit of wave oscillations of an incomprehensible medium? A photon has weight (energy and momentum), but no mass - it is obvious that this is an oscillation (wave) of some medium (ether).

Addition.

If the distance from the Earth to the Sun were 150,000,000 km, that is, 8 light minutes, then the STEREO Ahead and STEREO Behind spacecraft would simply be impossible to control, and it would be impossible to receive any data from them. For example. STEREO A (itself being in constant motion in orbit) sends a signal to the Earth that flies in space for 8 minutes, and during this time the Earth moves in orbit for 8 minutes. * 60 sec. * 30 km/s = 14 400 km. Not to mention the enormous degree of radio signal scattering over distances of tens of millions of kilometers or several light minutes.

(animation of the movement of STEREO spacecrafts around the Sun)

There is a photo animation on the web that shows a solar flare in the direction of one of these satellites. The STEREO Ahead spacecraft supposedly moves along the Earth's orbit, that is, at the same distance from the Sun as the Earth. This is an animation of STEREO A photos from July 23, 2012.

The solar flare flew exactly in the direction of STEREO A. It began at almost exactly 03:00 (UTC), and the first visible particles of coronal matter (white ripples in the animation) flew to STEREO A at about 07:00 (UTC). If the distance from the Sun to the Earth's orbit (on which the STEREO spacecraft are located) were 150,000,000 km, as is officially believed, then the speed of coronal material particles would be 150,000,000 km. / 4 hours / 60 minutes / 60 seconds = about 10,000 km / s. - this is 3% of the speed of light, which is hardly physically possible.

The solar wind is a stream of ionized particles (mainly helium-hydrogen plasma) flowing out from the solar corona at a speed of 300-1200 km/s into the surrounding space.

In addition, it is generally known that the flow of coronal matter from a solar flare reaches the Earth's orbit (in which the STEREO spacecraft are supposedly located) in an average of 150,000,000 km. / 750 km / s / 60 sec. / 60 min. / 24 hours = ~ 2.5 - 3 days. But in fact, the animation of the photos turns out to be 07:00 (UTC) - 03:00 (UTC) = 4 hours. And it turns out this way because spacecraft are orbiting Venus in the Solar System (Universe) with approximately the same parameters as in the schematic image below.

 

(ProtoEarth, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars; common center of mass between Earth and Sun; distance to the Moon is about 100 000 km., distance to the Sun is about 300 000 km.; Oort Cloud is the border of the Universe where all the "stars" and "galaxies" located; the diameter of the Universe does not exceed one light minute)

The rotation of the Earth and the Sun, as two commensurate objects, around a common center of mass, is difficult to describe in words and to draw schematically - therefore, I end the article with a corresponding animation, in which the size ratios are close to reality (the Earth is larger, the Sun is smaller).

 

Link to the source article in russian: Природа света и размер Вселенной.

Edited December 28, 2020 by AlexandrKushnirtshuk

[swansont]

2 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

The nature of light.

A photon has has energy and momentum (weight) but no mass . It is obvious that light is vibrations of some medium (ether). This environment cannot but have resistance, damping or absorbing light vibrations with time and distance. I will describe the essence in simple words so as not to complicate and not drag out the explanation.

Are we moving with respect to this medium or are we stationary?

 

You need to support your conjecture with a model and/or evidence, rather than bald assertion.

[Bufofrog]

3 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

Light years and 8 light minutes from Sun to Earth are physically impossible.

If your conjecture states this is impossible and yet it occurs, then your conjecture must be incorrect.  Right?

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

1 hour ago, Bufofrog said:

4 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

Light years and 8 light minutes from Sun to Earth are physically impossible.

If your conjecture states this is impossible and yet it occurs, then your conjecture must be incorrect.  Right?

Not quite. I don't know how to explain more accurately than in this article. Maybe some problems with translation and/or understanding. I'll try short and simple.

1) Water waves have low speed and high lifetime.

2) Sound waves have middle speed and middle lifetime.

3) Light waves have highest possible speed (300 000 km/s), so they must have lowest lifetime.

Obviously that it all depends on the source of the wave vibrations, and there must be light waves distribution medium - ether.

It is completely impossible for any kind of wave vibrations (oscillations) not to have their environment (medium) - such as officially unacknowledged (a)ether.

Edited December 28, 2020 by AlexandrKushnirtshuk

[swansont]

4 minutes ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

Not quite. I don't know how to explain more accurately than in this article. Maybe some problems with translation and/or understanding. I'll try short and simple.

1) Water waves have low speed and high lifetime.

2) Sound waves have middle speed and middle lifetime.

3) Light waves have highest possible speed (300 000 km/s), so they must have lowest lifetime.

Obviously that it all depends on the source of the wave vibrations, and there must be light waves distribution medium - ether.

That assumes an aether, but you must have evidence of an aether to base your conclusion on it. Otherwise this is just a fallacious circular argument.

The fact that we can communicate with distant spacecraft and get light from the sun tell us that the photon lifetime is not small. How do we see planets (much less distant stars and galaxies) if the photons don't live long enough to get to us?

 

4 minutes ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

It is completely impossible for any kind of wave vibrations (oscillations) not to have their environment (medium) - such as officially unacknowledged (a)ether.

It's unacknowledged because there is no experimental evidence to support its existence.

What is your evidence that an EM wave is a vibration of a physical medium? As I asked before, are we at rest with respect to it or moving with respect to it?

 

 

[MigL]

There are certain measurements and observations we can make, such as measuring the speed of light.
To account for this speed, any medium must be extremely 'stiff', yet at the same time must allow motion through it with no resistance whatsoever, such that the M-M experiment yields aligned fringes.
These are two contradicting requirements for the 'aether', and current theories work just fine ( as a matter of fact, excellent ) without it.
Hence, it is of no use, and has been long discarded.

What reason do you have to re-introduce it ?

[Janus]

2 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

It is completely impossible for any kind of wave vibrations (oscillations) not to have their environment (medium) - such as officially unacknowledged (a)ether.

I'll cut to the chase.  Just because you personally cannot envision how light waves could travel without the aid of a medium does not equate to it being impossible.

[Bufofrog]

7 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

I end the article with a corresponding animation, in which the size ratios are close to reality (the Earth is larger, the Sun is smaller).

 

Huh?  That is not even close to correct!  Maybe it is a language issue?

Edited December 28, 2020 by Bufofrog

[joigus]

3 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

It is obvious that light is vibrations of some medium (ether).

If something that has long been proven incorrect seems obvious to you, you should review your criterion for attributing obviousness.

[Phi for All]

3 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

It is completely impossible for any kind of wave vibrations (oscillations) not to have their environment (medium) - such as officially unacknowledged (a)ether.

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Moderator Note

Your duty, in this section, is to show this. Just saying it isn't enough, even when you add "completely" to imply extra impossibility. You can't argue against experiment by waving your hands. More rigor, please.

 

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

6 hours ago, Bufofrog said:

Huh?  That is not even close to correct!  Maybe it is a language issue?

Distance between Earth and Sun is bigger, but the ratio of the sizes of the Earth and the Sun is approximately the same as in that animation.

5 hours ago, Phi for All said:

Moderator Note

Your duty, in this section, is to show this. Just saying it isn't enough, even when you add "completely" to imply extra impossibility. You can't argue against experiment by waving your hands. More rigor, please.

Here my thoughts about light- and microwaves medium - aether. What if it is physically impossible to detect (measure and weigh) aether with scientifical certainity for 100%?

That's why. (do not judge me strictly - I'm trying to translate my thoughts about not simple things from russian)

• Water waves have no mass, but the medium of their propagation - water - has mass.
• Sound waves have no mass, but the medium of their propagation - gas - has mass.
• Light and electromagnetic waves have no mass, but the medium of their propagation - ether - must have mass.

All three of the above types of waves have weight - that is, they create pressure. The wave cannot create pressure outside the environment, the wave cannot exist without the environment. Waves are fluctuations of the environment. Any wave phenomenon must have a medium. Wave phenomena (fluctuations) outside the environment are impossible a priori. If there is a wave, a fluctuation, then what is fluctuating? Medium only.

Presumptive reasons for the impossibility of detecting aether by scientific methods and means (instruments).

1) Water and gaseous medium are subsets of ether. Ether is the basic medium of the Universe (it is everywhere), water and gas medium are limited and located inside the ether. Ether is the basic set. Gas is an aetherian subset of the first order . Water is an aetherian subset of the second order.

2) Research on a micro (nano) scale has a very specific feature - with a decrease in scale, the object and the instrument (means) of research gradually merges into one whole. Example. Science explores phenomena using light and microwaves. That is, we can say that light and microwaves are the main tools of scientific research. But how to research light and microwaves themselves? For the study of light and microwaves, there are no better and more suitable instruments than light and microwaves themselves. Thus, the smaller microlevel - the more object of research and research instrument merge into one whole - more and more become indistinguishable.

Edited December 28, 2020 by AlexandrKushnirtshuk

[MigL]

Saying it ( no matter how many times ) does not make it true.
Evidence please !

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

9 minutes ago, MigL said:

Saying it ( no matter how many times ) does not make it true.
Evidence please !

Can you realize that, it is completely possible that existing of aether is impossible to prove (or detect) by the usual scientific methods and instruments. Do you realize the specifical features of the micro- and nanoscale research that leads to paradox of merging objent and instrument of research - waves - into one whole?

[MigL]

So … impossible to prove or detect.
That means it has no affect on anything else, or it could be detected indirectly.
And if it doesn't affect anything, what is the point of having it in the model ?

Maybe you should post your ideas in the Religion section.
God is also impossible to prove or detect, and why so many people have no need of Him.

Just like the aether.

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

8 minutes ago, MigL said:

So … impossible to prove or detect.
That means it has no affect on anything else, or it could be detected indirectly.
And if it doesn't affect anything, what is the point of having it in the model ?

Maybe you should post your ideas in the Religion section.
God is also impossible to prove or detect, and why so many people have no need of Him.

Just like the aether.

• Aether existance is hard to prove with usual (regular) scientific methods, and almost impossible to detect experimentally.
• Aether has effect on everything by the means of its fluctuations - ubiquitous (omnipresent) light- and micro(EM)waves.
• God is the the sum of the consciousnesses of all living beings, each of which has its own: habitat, opportunities and responsibility; each of which is somehow interconnected with other cousciousnesses.

[swansont]

48 minutes ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

• Aether existance is hard to prove with usual (regular) scientific methods, and almost impossible to detect experimentally.
• Aether has effect on everything by the means of its fluctuations - ubiquitous (omnipresent) light- and micro(EM)waves.

These two properties are in direct conflict with each other. Contradictory.

Why won’t you answer my question about whether we are moving or at rest with respect to the aether?

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

34 minutes ago, swansont said:

These two properties are in direct conflict with each other. Contradictory.

Why won’t you answer my question about whether we are moving or at rest with respect to the aether?

1) There are no contradictions in that two my statements.

2) Your question is a little bit incorrect. My answer is - aether is the basic ubiquitous (omnipresent) medium of the Universe - it is everywhere. Like water waves hardly (almost not) relocate/transport water, and sound waves hardly (almost not) relocate/transport gas medium, so light- and microwaves are only aetherial fluctuations which hardly (almost not) relocate/transport aether. So on your question my answer is that everything moves in aetherial medium, and the ether itself only vibrates (fluctuates) by means of light- and microwaves.

Edited December 29, 2020 by AlexandrKushnirtshuk

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

• God is the the sum of the consciousnesses of all living beings, each of which has its own: habitat, opportunities and responsibility; each of which is somehow interconnected with other cousciousnesses.

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Moderator Note

Leave the religious aspect out of this discussion, please. We're in the Speculations section, so please use science.

 

[swansont]

34 minutes ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

1) There are no contradictions in that two my statements.

If the aether affects light, you should be able to measure an effect. If you can’t measure it, the effect has to be small.

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2) Your question is a little bit incorrect. My answer is - aether is the basic ubiquitous (omnipresent) medium of the Universe - it is everywhere. Like water waves hardly (almost not) relocate/transport water, and sound waves hardly (almost not) relocate/transport gas medium, so light- and microwaves are only aetherial fluctuations which hardly (almost not) relocate/transport aether.

So why is this hard to detect? If light doesn’t persist for a long time, that sounds like a very strong effect. As MigL points out, it has to be a stiff medium to have a large propagation speed. 

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So on your question my answer is that everything moves in aetherial medium, and the ether itself only vibrates (fluctuates) by means of light- and microwaves.

So we’re moving through it. Why didn’t the Michelson-Morley experiment detect this motion?

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

8 hours ago, swansont said:

If the aether affects light, you should be able to measure an effect. If you can’t measure it, the effect has to be small.

Not "aether affects light", rather light affects aether, but to be more precise - light is fluctuation of aether. Sun is a constant source (emitter) of aetherian fluctuations. The redshift of the spectrum is an indicator of the influence of aether resistance on light, it is simply misinterpreted. Here is the correct interpretation of the spectrum redshift: the Tired Light hypothesis.

8 hours ago, swansont said:

So why is this hard to detect? If light doesn’t persist for a long time, that sounds like a very strong effect. As MigL points out, it has to be a stiff medium to have a large propagation speed.

Aether - is a homogeneous medium of the highest order - a set (gas - aetherian subset of the first order; water - aetherian subset of the second order). Such specificity of the ether = stiff medium. Besides, official point of view assumes the absence of any resistance for light from outer space medium. Zero resistance for light (one photon) means infinite lifetime of one photon. No physical parameter can have zero or infinite value. In other words - any physical parameter with zero or infinite value - is a scientific nonsense.

8 hours ago, swansont said:

So we’re moving through it. Why didn’t the Michelson-Morley experiment detect this motion?

Because of incorrect concept (misunderstanding of aether properties) and, as a consequence, wrong experimental setup (prerequisites and expectations). Every source of light - is emitter of aetherial fluctuations (light itself). Sun is the closest and most powerful source of aetheric fluctuations - that is, light - that is, photons.

Edited December 29, 2020 by AlexandrKushnirtshuk

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

9 hours ago, swansont said:

So we’re moving through it. Why didn’t the Michelson-Morley experiment detect this motion?

Michelson-Morley experiment has completely wrong concept, prerequisites, and wrong understanding of aether nature, and light - as aetheric fluctuations. Photon is one aetheric wave.

Just as water waves do not create flow, so ether waves do not create flows. "Aether wind" - is completely wrong concept, because aetheric fluctuations - light - do not move the aether itself, do not create aetheric streams or flows. Light is a visible manifestation of aetheric vibrations/fluctuations. Speed of light - is the speed of propagation of aetheric vibrations, but not the speed of the flow of the aether itself.

Edited December 29, 2020 by AlexandrKushnirtshuk

[MigL]

Aether 'wind' is a misnomer ( and M-M doesn't consider resistance to light, but to the Earth ).
It simply means the aether is moving relative to the Earth.
Whether it is the aether moving past the Earth, or the Earth moving past the aether, makes no difference.
You will still get misalignment in the M-M experiment.

None was found.
Either the aether is 'stiffer' than diamond, but offers no resistance to objects passing through it ( an impossibility ).
Or it simply doesn't exist !

[swansont]

1 hour ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

Michelson-Morley experiment has completely wrong concept, prerequisites, and wrong understanding of aether nature, and light - as aetheric fluctuations. Photon is one aetheric wave.

Just as water waves do not create flow, so ether waves do not create flows. "Aether wind" - is completely wrong concept, because aetheric fluctuations - light - do not move the aether itself, do not create aetheric streams or flows. Light is a visible manifestation of aetheric vibrations/fluctuations.

 

Instead of telling us what it isn't, how about a model of what it is?

So we have some semblance of science.

 

1 hour ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

Speed of light - is the speed of propagation of aetheric vibrations, but not the speed of the flow of the aether itself.

M-M did not assume it was the flow of the aether. They assumed the aether was at rest, and we moved through it. 

2 hours ago, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

Not "aether affects light", rather light affects aether, but to be more precise - light is fluctuation of aether. Sun is a constant source (emitter) of aetherian fluctuations. The redshift of the spectrum is an indicator of the influence of aether resistance on light, it is simply misinterpreted. Here is the correct interpretation of the spectrum redshift: the Tired Light hypothesis.

 

What evidence supports tired light? Your link explains how the hypothesis is contradicted by the evidence.

 

 

[Mad For Science]

On 12/28/2020 at 5:41 PM, AlexandrKushnirtshuk said:

The rotation of the Earth and the Sun, as two commensurate objects, around a common center of mass, is difficult to describe in words and to draw schematically - therefore, I end the article with a corresponding animation, in which the size ratios are close to reality (the Earth is larger, the Sun is smaller).

 

 

Those size ratios are not even close to reality: The diameter of the Sun is 109 times the diameter of the Earth.

[AlexandrKushnirtshuk]

4 hours ago, MigL said:

Either the aether is 'stiffer' than diamond, but offers no resistance to objects passing through it ( an impossibility ).
Or it simply doesn't exist !

I propose an experiment that is possible to implement. Not very expensive and not very complicated experiment, that can prove the existence of aether.