Blow to US Democracy -Split from: U.S. presidential election modelling

[iNow]

3 hours ago, koti said:

Trump is going to have blood on his hands after 18:00 when the curfew starts. I can’t believe cops & guards let all those people into the Capitol building

Imagine if they were black. This only has continued as long as it has bc they’re white 

[beecee]

2 hours ago, Janus said:

It can, But the amendment to do so would first have either get a 2/3 majority support in both Houses (House of Rep and Senate) or be applied for by the state legislatures in 2/3(34) of the states. In which case Congress must call a convention.

An amendment proposed by either of these means would then have to get ratification from the legislatures  of 3/4(38) of the states.

 

3 hours ago, StringJunky said:

There are named amendments, so it has been in the past. I think the stars haven't been aligned in terms of having the necessary House and Senate votes to have allowed that to happen in recent history, AFAIK

 

3 hours ago, StringJunky said:

There are named amendments, so it has been in the past. I think the stars haven't been aligned in terms of having the necessary House and Senate votes to have allowed that to happen in recent history, AFAIK

Thanks...Just viewed some coverage of the terrible "undemocratic" storming of Capitol Hill.

Sad...I feel for the majority of decent US citizens on both sides of the political spectrum, that I guess would be cringing at such goings on.

Edited January 7, 2021 by beecee

[iNow]

Trumps own cabinet is right now actively discussing removing him from office under the powers granted by the 25th amendment. No options have yet been presented to VP Pence

[Arete]

"Black Lives Matter are violent thugs, but also..." 

[CharonY]

1 hour ago, Arete said:

"Black Lives Matter are violent thugs, but also..." 

Well, black being one of the imperative word here. Hypocrisy being the other.

[iNow]

I’m sure they wouldn’t have constructed that noose on the capitol lawn today if only the democrats acted nicer toward them

[StringJunky]

3 hours ago, iNow said:

Trumps own cabinet is right now actively discussing removing him from office under the powers granted by the 25th amendment. No options have yet been presented to VP Pence

Whodathunkit? That it could actually happen in the US?

[Markus Hanke]

2 hours ago, StringJunky said:

Whodathunkit? That it could actually happen in the US?

As an external observer (I live in Ireland) who isn’t usually interested in politics, I have to say even I am absolutely gobsmacked at what has happened here. A direct attack on the democratic foundations of a once great country, and in my mind it very nearly qualifies as a coup attempt. It’s just scary, and I do not understand how he isn’t being removed immediately.

I feel very sorry for the vast majority of decent American people - no single person has ever done as much damage to both the country’s democratic institutions, as well as its international reputation, as Trump has. It will take a generation to recover from this.

At least I am relieved to see that the democratic process still seem to function, as the elections results have just been ratified as I am typing this.

[StringJunky]

1 hour ago, Markus Hanke said:

As an external observer (I live in Ireland) who isn’t usually interested in politics, I have to say even I am absolutely gobsmacked at what has happened here. A direct attack on the democratic foundations of a once great country, and in my mind it very nearly qualifies as a coup attempt. It’s just scary, and I do not understand how he isn’t being removed immediately.

I feel very sorry for the vast majority of decent American people - no single person has ever done as much damage to both the country’s democratic institutions, as well as its international reputation, as Trump has. It will take a generation to recover from this.

At least I am relieved to see that the democratic process still seem to function, as the elections results have just been ratified as I am typing this.

It looks like he could get served with breaching the US code on insurrection.

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§2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim#:~:text=Whoever incites%2C sets on foot,holding any office under the

 

[koti]

4 dead, 52 injured, 14 police officers injured. I still can’t believe the Capitol police let all those people in. 

[John Cuthber]

10 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

We all would be a little upset if that happened to us...

Well, yes... but it didn't happen to anyone.

Nobody was robbed of an election victory of any sort.

And all the republicans who have not pointed that out are jointly responsible for the death of the woman shot at the Capitol.

[J.C.MacSwell]

1 hour ago, John Cuthber said:

Well, yes... but it didn't happen to anyone.

 

You're trying to tell me Trump's victory wasn't by a landslide?

Now I don't know who to believe...you or Trump.

[dimreepr]

2 hours ago, StringJunky said:

It looks like he could get served with breaching the US code on insurrection.

Then he really would be a martyr.

2 hours ago, koti said:

4 dead, 52 injured, 14 police officers injured. I still can’t believe the Capitol police let all those people in. 

Imagine the number's, if all those people were emigrant's? 

[John Cuthber]

15 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Imagine the number's, if all those people were emigrant's? 

I didn''t notice any who looked like Native Americans...

[koti]

37 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Imagine the number's, if all those people were emigrant's? 

Both of these are false:

 

This one is true:

 

[dimreepr]

18 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

I didn''t notice any who looked like Native Americans...

Indeed, the irony is palpable... 

[joigus]

26 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

I didn''t notice any who looked like Native Americans...

They all looked like characters out of Jeremiah Johnson --except for the Native Americans.

Edited January 7, 2021 by joigus

[dimreepr]

11 minutes ago, koti said:

Both of these are false:

 

This one is true:

 

It's the ghost of Tom Joad...

Or, the man who sold the world...

[koti]

37 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

It's the ghost of Tom Joad...

Or, the man who sold the world...

Likem both, one a little more. I'm sure you know me enough already to know which one.

[iNow]

6 hours ago, Markus Hanke said:

I do not understand how he isn’t being removed immediately.

Too many people in positions of power and authority have chosen / decided not to. They support him in this. See also: Failure to conduct a trial for him once he got impeached last year. 

4 hours ago, StringJunky said:

It looks like he could get served with breaching the US code on insurrection.

A member of the House has also already drawn up a second set of articles of impeachment, but I doubt anyone on the right will be willing to take the political risk of earning the wrath of Trump voters by doing so when he's to leave office in 2 weeks anyway. 

[StringJunky]

14 minutes ago, iNow said:

A member of the House has also already drawn up a second set of articles of impeachment, but I doubt anyone on the right will be willing to take the political risk of earning the wrath of Trump voters by doing so when he's to leave office in 2 weeks anyway. 

Yeah, you are probably right.

[CharonY]

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[studiot]

15 minutes ago, CharonY said:

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+1

I'm only suprised no one has already started a thread on this subject.

 

[StringJunky]

Facebook and Instagram have suspended his account for the rest of his term. 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-facebook/facebook-instagram-to-block-trumps-account-for-rest-of-his-presidential-term-idUKKBN29C29M

 

[J.C.MacSwell]

10 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

Facebook and Instagram have suspended his account for the rest of his term. 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-facebook/facebook-instagram-to-block-trumps-account-for-rest-of-his-presidential-term-idUKKBN29C29M

 

Emergency measures this could be reasonably done, probably through some judicial body and the court system longer term, but it's a slippery slope if platforms are left to decide this on their own. Unless they want to be responsible for all of their content. 

As far as yesterday's events being a blow to democracy; one could hope it could be a cathartic event that could enhance it.

Any hopes of Trump running in 2024 should surely have taken a hit, have they not?