Hans de Vries Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 As Carl Sagan would say well... maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Hans de Vries said: More like brain hacking IMO. One may voluntarily choose to hack their own brain, but one may not involuntarily hack the brain of another. This is a pretty simple and basic concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 22 hours ago, iNow said: One may voluntarily choose to hack their own brain, but one may not involuntarily hack the brain of another. This is a pretty simple and basic concept. Yes, that's a simple idea. Now, who gets to choose on behalf of children? For example, who gets to choose if babies get vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: Yes, that's a simple idea. Now, who gets to choose on behalf of children? For example, who gets to choose if babies get vaccinated? The parents do, which would imply that parents should also be able to decide whether or not to lobotomize their children with psychopathic traits. This leads us to a conclusion that the benefits and safety of the procedure involved must outweigh the risks and probability of failure. Vaccines when proven safe have clearly demonstrated benefits to both the child and to society at large. The vaccines must first, however, be shown to be safe AND effective. What is the safe AND effective method of "curing" psychopathy? There isn't one, hence the analogy shows its limits lack of applicability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, iNow said: The parents do Why not the children? Can't they decide for themselves? As you said On 1/24/2021 at 4:04 PM, iNow said: One may voluntarily choose to hack their own brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: Why not the children? Can't they decide for themselves? Depends on how we choose to interpret ability to offer informed consent. As a general rule, we assume the child is not capable of consenting in an informed way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, iNow said: Depends on how we choose to interpret ability to offer informed consent. As a general rule, we assume the child is not capable of consenting in an informed way Are children the only people who can't be relied on to give informed consent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 No, and already covered this in this thread about 4 days ago: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Then 4 days ago the thread gainsaid this assertion: On 1/24/2021 at 4:04 PM, iNow said: This is a pretty simple and basic concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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