“I have studied these things – you have not”

[Olorin]

Not wishing to "Hijack" another thread, but keen to help where possible by opening doors for those asking...

":How did we come from nothing" &c.

...I have assembled the following which, as far as I can see, is much better than "nothing". Read on, and Isaac Newton himself will have a few words to say which defends my efforts here. Those who are offended may...choose their own opinions. This IS speculations, although every hypothesis really is. That position I will answer quickly.

As you have witnessed, Mainstream Science is not equipped to answer your very reasonable question. If I may, I will provide the answers that my research has turned up, as an unsatisfied customer, due to some anti-intuitive Mainstream hypotheses (in my opinion). Understandably a ship can only have one Captain or else flounder, so Speculations is where we belong while Scientific research and application continues otherwise.

Science has drawn a line in the sand. It has made the senses the irreducible reality that cannot be disputed, since all functional and rational human beings agree on this level, but this may only be the manifestation provided to evolve us, provided by our Source. Edgar Cayce has given “Time and Space are incomplete” long before Einstein proved that these were not independent of the observer and has said so directly. The basic disagreement seems to arise from the perspective that the Universe is unintelligent, and chance has utterly defied entropy from particles to galaxies. We put it bluntly without pussyfooting around opinions forged into our social environment by vested interests (like “conspiracy theorist” like Thomas Jefferson maybe? Let’s get real.).

‘... when Dr. Halley ventured to say anything disrespectful to religion, [Isaac Newton] invariably checked him, with the remark, “I have studied these things – you have not”.’
https://webspace.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/astrology/newton.htm

The source of the senses is assumed to be the organs of sense relaying information to the conscious mind on the level of one conscious physical life. The past, present, future theme is found in the oldest chapter of the Egyptian "Book of The Dead", Chapter LXIV. "I am yesterday, today and tomorrow, and have the power to be born a [again]", transliterating "a second time". Reincarnation (in our own order, human) is our most ancient belief. Though not rejected by Jews, the Fifth Ecumenical Council in Constantinople of 553 AD rendered such doctrines and their corollaries heresy, on pain of burning at the stake, and simultaneously obliterated the Egyptian Gnostic Christianity, banned the teaching of Hieroglyphics, and possibly created both the Gypsies, the Masons and their Tarot Cards encrypting the meaning behind the 22 Chapters of the Book of Revelations, KJV. All this is conjecture but with strong evidence. Fortunately, the Dharma has raised Western Civilisation to a world power despite the subsequent darkening, confusion and ultimate turning away.

The Revelation has only been satisfactorily explained, in profound depth and requiring decoding using "modern" knowledge (the endocrine system of the human body for example), by the psychic Edgar Cayce (1877 - 1945). Twenty Four psychic discourses, commencing at Reading 281-16 through to 281-39 may produce the depth of understanding attainable only by those with prerequisite knowledge and life experience, but above all, a level of righteousness which will allow the individual direction toward such understanding ("...men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." John 3:19-20, true for The Bible KJV as a whole, the Bagavad Gita or whatever. J. Robert Oppenheimer studied the Vedas to unearth ancient knowledge and was not deceived by the imperialist Aristotle's lies about advanced prediluvian civilisation. Why are so many wise "Fathers of Science" brushed aside on these issues? Is it not clear what made them so?

Returning to our "Nothing comes from nothing", obviously a beginning is necessary because the present cannot be reached from an infinite beginning. This implies that time and space themselves were at some point created from a timeless source. A student of the modern Hindu religion called Sir John George Woodroffe (Arthur Avalon 15 December 1865 – 16 January 1936), deals with the chakras (powers behind the endocrines, the "Seven Angels of the Churches = meeting places of forces to be disseminated) in "The Serpent Power". He provides, from those sources, "The ultimate or irreducible reality is 'Spirit' in the sense of Pure Consciousness (Chit, Samvit) from out of which as and by its Power (Shakti), Mind and Matter proceed. There are no degrees or differences in Spirit. The Spirit which is in man is the one Spirit which is in everything and which, as the object of worship, is the Lord (Ishvara) or God."

Edgar Cayce provided pre-emptive knowledge in many areas of Medicine (the Pineal gland)/Archaeology (Troy, Atlantis=The Bimini Road)/Politics (Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points)/&c.

Two readings should be of particular interest to Science. Note the pre-emptive dates attached to the most advanced Science yet (in my opinion).

   “Remember, as given, the earth is that speck, that part of
   creation where souls projected themselves into matter, and
   thus brought that conscious awareness of themselves
   entertaining the ability of creating without those forces of
   the spirit of truth.

   “As this came about, it was necessary for their own awareness
   in the SPHERES of activity.  Thus realms of systems came
   into being; as vast as the power of thought in attempting to
   understand infinity, or to comprehend that there is no space
   or time.

   “Yet time AND space, in patience, you may comprehend.” 
   Reading 5755-2 (19 JUN 1941 four years before E = mc^2 was demonstrated incontrovertibly and this profound Physics, still misunderstood by Physicists (space and time incomplete, the observer or soul integral), was made part or the consciousness even of layfolk.)

“23. (Q)  Give name of books to help entity to open himself
   up for the perfect demonstration of this idea.
   (A)  First - ye must choose.  For there are set before thee
   today good and evil, life and death - choose thou.

  “ The better books are those of Holy Writ, for ANY
   demonstration of spiritual laws in relationship to human
   experiences.

“24. (Q)  How can an article by mechanical means be charged
   with positive electricity continuously and economically?
   (A)  It may not - without having its counterpart in the negative.

   “For in manifestations, this is the basis of materiality.
   Only when they become spiritual are they ONLY positive.  For
   materiality IS - or matter IS - that demonstration and
   manifestation of the units of positive and negative energy,
   or electricity, or God.”
   Reading 412-9 (10 AUG 1937 Yet to be recognised that all is one force)

When I was a child of three years old or so, I dreamed I had a pretty balloon. I was elated. Then I woke up. My balloon was gone. I wanted it back. What is the difference between the balloon in the dream, and a real one? Moses would say “None”. Psalm 90. Einstein said that this cannot be disputed. But neither can we just wake up out of the “Real World” while we live. We must abide its Physical Laws = Science = Occultations.

To anyone interested, this perspective of "reality" is anciently known as Hermetic Philosophy, and underlies many religions, ancient and modern. It may be noted that it necessarily includes a supreme power and does not preclude "miracles".
 

Edited February 7, 2021 by Olorin
Errors & addition

[iNow]

1 hour ago, Olorin said:

It may be noted that it necessarily includes a supreme power and does not preclude "miracles".

[joigus]

I think this belongs in Spec elation.

[iNow]

51 minutes ago, joigus said:

I think this belongs in Spec elation.

You misspelled Trash Can 

[joigus]

6 hours ago, iNow said:

You misspelled Trash Can 

The risks of auto correction.

[Olorin]

Now you disagree, not with me, but with Newton and Einstein to the nth degree. They did not read only the prescribed textbooks of Mammon's handmaidens. Would you really hurl this sh*t in their faces? I trow not. Go to the masters, not the maggots. You have a soul (psyche) and Psychology was the first Science to begin the systematic rape of Science, moulding everything particular instead of energetic. The Beast that was dead rises and all who “buy and sell” must worship. This precipitated WWI in short order. This is recent history, but Genesis 1-5 takes you back in symbols to what you call The Big Bang, and is taken literal to divide Science and Religion. The Universe came from the Light, or more specifically, the Electric Field as Edgar Cayce explained (above) before Einstein had a dozen comprehending the significance and implications of c. We still don't see the significance of the K.E. term independent of v as P.E. above the singularity pointed to by the gravitational field, or the zero points where new ellipticals will reform, while NASA frames every explanation WRT BBT, and Wiki dances to the same tune.

For a recent "miracle" (the altering of normal occultations required for continuity and consistency), Mark Twain wrote a book over a OUIJA Board, called "Jap Herron". Vested interest shut this trend of post-humus authorship down using Lawyers and a Media Circus. Here is the book (also available as PDF):
https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/jap-herron-a-novel-written-from-the-ouija-board-1917

 

and the Media Articles:
https://splinternews.com/how-mark-twains-ghost-almost-set-off-the-copyright-batt-1793855099

 

The execution proceeded with: 
The New York Times, February 3, 1916
and ended with: 
The New York Times, July 28, 1918

The novel took two years to produce by the Psychic Research Society and less time to legally crucify, and all remaining copies ordered to be destroyed, unless they would admit fakery, few surviving already sold with PDF now downloadable.
 
“The Coming of Jap Herron” prologue ends with a premonition, I know not of Global Thermonuclear Conflict or, based on Maxlow’s research, our possibly becoming a second asteroid belt, but either way, fulfilling these prophecies far flung in time:
Deuteronomy 32:22, Zephaniah 3:1-8, 2 Peter 3:1-10, Revelation 11:18.

The door to the other side slammed shut. Secular Power and the Christian Orthodoxy would not have been displeased for their own reasons. I have seen a textbook disappear from a tertiary library full of underlined passages when, obviously for the first time, I produced a critical summary of the entire book rather than cursory quotes and some vaguely related BS for an assignment on Sociology. It went above and beyond, and was marked down short of a fail, publicity too expensive to risk. One anecdote among many of poking the bear.

"The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency." Guess who. He also poked the bear but interests were altered by the Germans and Japanese, returning global conflict within a generation as predicted by the editor or "The Fourteen Point Plan", authored secretly by...Edgar Cayce upon request by the once President of Princeton where Einstein and Oppenheimer worked from 1939 to 1945 on...PROOF too loud to ignore. The risk of Hitler achieving, indicated by German activity in the Uranium source in Czechoslovakia: 
https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1939-1942/einstein_letter.htm

 

could not be ignored. Pair production for Protons, alluded to in the second Edgar Cayce article above, was not achieved in Einstein's effective lifetime, and his "Steady State Theory" remained out of reach with only a Positron for evidence, accompanied by some nonsense theory still extant. Fate? Psalm 82 KJV.
 

[studiot]

21 hours ago, Olorin said:

Reincarnation (in our own order, human) is our most ancient belief.

Rubbish.

I doubt we shall ever know what the first human belief was.

It may have been "I am going to have roast mammoth for dinner"

 

[Olorin]

There is absolutely no record of the building of the Great Pyramid and its Sphinx, only a stone recording repairs to the latter ordered of a Pharaoh by God. "The Egyptian Heritage" based on The Edgar Cayce Readings by  Egyptologist Mark Lehner compiles the saga of its construction. From the preface: 

"There are 1,159 Edgar Cayce readings which contain references and information on the Ra Ta period in Egypt. The story presented here has been culled from approximately 300 of these readings. This number includes all those readings which deal extensively with the subject." Mark points to the correlation of the saga with Egyptian history and mythology. Having studied the many books by E.A. Wallace-Budge on Egyptology, I have to say that times were so different 12500 years ago, that without this prerequisite study, I would not have believed the account. But from amongst the readings quoted by Mark we have these:

"... remember, there is nothing in the present that hasn't existed from the first. Only the form or the manner of its use being changed, and many an element then used that the art of its use has been lost, as we will see the reason why, and many being re-discovered by those called scientists in the present when in that day it was the common knowledge of the most illiterate, as would be termed in the present." 294-148

This may not seem plausible according to current thinking, with special thanks to Aristotle for denying Plato's history of Atlantis. We are robbed of the credence of ancient wisdom. Explained however is the Great Pyramid and much other massive stone work across the globe. I was motivated to study Ancient Egypt because it became plain to me that Politics and Exploitation has lead us to a brainwashed state, and knowing belief systems from long ago may produce clues of our thinking and beliefs before this darkening.

Concerning the Great Pyramid:
"This, then, receives all the records from the beginnings of that given by the Priest, Arart, Araaraart and Ra, to that period when there is to be the change in the earth's position and the return of the Great Initiate to that and other lands for the folding up of those prophecies that are depicted there. All changes that came in the religious thought in the world are shown there, in the variations in which the passage through same is reached, from the base to the top - or to the open tomb and the top. These are signified by both the layer and the color in what direction the turn is made." 5748-5

"Q-14. How was this particular Great Pyramid of Gizeh built?

"A-14. By the use of those forces in nature as make for iron to swim. Stone floats in the air in the same manner. This will be discovered in '58." 5748-6

"Q-3. By what power or powers were these early pyramids and temples constructed?

"A-3. By the lifting forces of those gases that are being used gradually in the present civilization, and by the fine work or activities of those versed in that pertaining to the source from which all power comes." 5750-1

"Q-5. What was the date of the actual beginning and ending of the construction of the Great Pyramid?

"A-5. Was one hundred years in construction. Begun and completed in the period of Araaraart's time, with Hermes and Ra.

"Q-6. What was the date B.C of that period?

"A-6. 10,490 to 10,390 before the Prince entered into Egypt." 5748-6
 

[iNow]

1 hour ago, Olorin said:

There is absolutely no record of the building of the Great Pyramid and its Sphinx,

Nope. At least you’re consistent in your wrongness.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/

Edited February 8, 2021 by iNow

[Olorin]

Major General Richard William Howard Vyse (25 July 1784 – 8 June 1853) a British soldier and Egyptologist, was a very ambitious and very privileged individual, and his Gunpowder Archaeology was questionable, as was any verification of the claim by Vyse. More likely any opposition was summarily dismissed. It is uncertain that Khufu, from the fourth dynasty 2700 BC, built the Great Pyramid as has become more of a tradition than a fact. The cartouche that purports to be Khufu's is similar at best. It has also been discovered from Vyse's notes that this cartouche was transcribed, with accidental changes in the notes, in transit from the Valley of Kings to Gizeh. Entry was forced into the relieving chambers and Vyse likely had the cartouche placed there from this incriminating source. The notoriety had him elected Mayor, and individuals on his archaeological quests were stood down over controversies. In his days of plundering Egyptian artefacts for the British Museum, integrity was obviously not high on the agenda. "Atlantis Rising" magazine carried this story of the intrusive forgery, and the book "Pyramid Odyssey" by William Fix has extensive research proving that a dating based on an Egyptian King list used by Egyptologists has not been modified after longer lists have been found, revealing many deposed Pharaohs who were deleted from lists and monuments through disfavour. Last but not least, Fourth Dynasty technology did not build the Great Pyramid with "bronze age" tools during this Fourth Age of man, 11,500 BC to now. The Bible records a similar fate as did Plato for the third age world conquering "Atlantis" (a book by Charles Berlitz) before the flood and ice age. Six million tons of limestone with white marble casing stones, upper passages (absent from more recent copied inferior structures), air vents, and a legendary gold capstone, aligned with the four cardinal points, and having an ascending passage aligned with the Earth's axis of rotation, with every stone cut to diamond precision and mortared with a 1/50 inch spacing, with an average 3 ton block, cut, transported, and placed every 90 seconds was NOT built by 100,000 slaves in 20 years, nor any other means yet explained. No doubt, it will continue to draw claims from other notoriety hunters with little concern for the truth. Its mathematics and geometry relates the transcendental number Pi to the algebraic number the Golden Mean phi = (1 + sqrt(5))/2, answering the Delphinian Oracle's riddle of squaring the circle. The oracle alludes to the Great Pyramid thusly, as does the Pentagram of the White Brotherhood symbolise the proportions phi and pi. The largest right angled triangle through any three vertices of the Black Granite Sarcophagus is the 3,4,5 Pythagorean Triad. The design architect was Hermes, known to the Jews as Melchizedek (Melchisidec NT Hebrews). As for the symbolism of the Sarcophagus:

 

"Q-8. What is the significance of the empty sarcophagus?

 

"A-8. That there will be no more death. Don't misunderstand or misinterpret!

but the interpretation of death will be made plain ... 5748-6

 

"When the lines about the earth are considered from the mathematical

precisions, it will be found that the center is nigh unto where the Great

pyramid, which was begun then, is still located." 281-42

 

"At the correct time accurate imaginary lines can be drawn from the opening of

the Great Pyramid to the second star in the Great Dipper, called Polaris or the

North Star. This indicates it is the system toward which the soul takes its

flight after having completed its sojourn through this solar system." 5748-6

[Bufofrog]

8 hours ago, Olorin said:

Q-8. What is the significance of the empty sarcophagus

The tomb was robbed.

8 hours ago, Olorin said:

When the lines about the earth are considered from the mathematical

precisions, it will be found that the center is nigh unto where the Great

pyramid, which was begun then, is still located.

That sounds like nonesense.  What lines?  What are these lines based on?

8 hours ago, Olorin said:

At the correct time accurate imaginary lines can be drawn from the opening of

the Great Pyramid to the second star in the Great Dipper, called Polaris or the

North Star.

Polaris is not in the big bipper, it is the first star in the handle of the little dipper.

[dimreepr]

8 hours ago, Olorin said:

"Q-8. What is the significance of the empty sarcophagus?

Isn't it obvious?

8 hours ago, Olorin said:

A-8. That there will be no more death.

Yeah, that's not it...

8 hours ago, Olorin said:

Don't misunderstand or misinterpret!

Indeed, but you have done both; the soul is life and a sarcophagus is the empty shell of what was alive...

[John Cuthber]

On 2/7/2021 at 1:19 AM, Olorin said:

the psychic Edgar Cayce

There goes the neighbourhood.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce#Criticism

You can't cite "clairvoyants" on a science site, and expect to be taken seriously. 

 

[CharonY]

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