Big bang big crunch.

[Area54]

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

The problem I have with the present theory is that your mass or singularity,  comes from nowhere

That is not an accurate representation of the current theory and thus offers zero justification for seeking alternative explanations.

 

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

if its expansion  How can the space fabric do that?

What is there to prevent it?

 

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

If its explosion ,how did it explode?..

I think you have already been told it is not an explosion, so why are you still mentioning it?

 

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

We are visualizing trumpet shape early on

Why? The only obvious reason is that you have misunderstood a explanatory diagram and have then chosen to ignore the correction. Why?

[MigL]

What you like to call the Big Bang 'singularity is a misnomer.
Singularities of infinite density cannot exist in nature ( but of course, science has been wrong before ).

It was more like a small volume of spacetime ( after t=10^-43 sec ), in causal ( local ) contact, that underwent a symmetry break  ( at t=10^-35 sec ), and then undewent an inflationary period ( until t=10^-32 sec ) which vastly increased the size of the universe, and traded false minimum vacuum energy for potential energy of inflation, such that areas outside the observable universe are no longer in causal contact.
And you can see these different eras at the narrow end of the 'trumpet' pictograph.

It was only after the symmetry break that particles aquired mass, and were able to move slower than c , to form atoms and matter.

Google 'symmetry break', 'electro-weak unification', 'Higgs mechanism', and 'false zero vacuum energy'.

[beecee]

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

The problem I have with the present theory is that your mass or singularity,  comes from nowhere and  suggests God created it,if its expansion  How can the space fabric do that?

You are ignoring all the answers being given to you. It was space and time itself that evolved at the BB. It does not suggest God did it, rather that at some point, we need a QGT.

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

If its explosion ,how did it explode?...

It didn't. read your previous answers or some reputable material.

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

We are working on coalescing the universe to a second super massive black hole.

Perhaps you again need to research what a BH is, because going on what you have posted, you have no idea.

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

.We wont have technical detail ,we are amature pure theorists.We are visualizing trumpet shape early on,turning into a sphere at the moment...We hope some expert will look at it in the future and come up with some technical details for it..We have searched for universal models on google and cant find any complete ones.

The first thing you and your group need to do is understand current cosmology, before you attempt to rewrite it in paragraphs and posts of nonsense.

In essence, and noting how you are simply ignoring all the answers given to you, I believe you are playing games.

Edited February 23, 2021 by beecee

[zapatos]

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

Just done a google search and we understand..."The period of a satellite is the time it takes it to make one full orbit around an object. The period of the Earth as it travels around the sun is one year. If you know the satellite's speed and the radius at which it orbits, you can figure out its period".....Our theory is just a beginning and the cycle that occurs...The problem I have with the present theory is that your mass or singularity,  comes from nowhere and  suggests God created it,if its expansion  How can the space fabric do that?If its explosion ,how did it explode?...We are working on coalescing the universe to a second super massive black hole.We wont have technical detail ,we are amature pure theorists.We are visualizing trumpet shape early on,turning into a sphere at the moment...We hope some expert will look at it in the future and come up with some technical details for it..We have searched for universal models on google and cant find any complete ones.

I have to assume at this point that you and possibly your buddies have reading comprehension problems. I cannot come up with another reason why you keep mentioning things that you have been repeatedly told are not true.

Perhaps one of your fellow urchins can speak to us instead of you. Maybe then we can make some progress.

[49th parralel group]

We all speak together...The universe either came from nothing or it is eternal.There is no third scientific option.Your model has the former ours has the latter.

[Phi for All]

14 minutes ago, 49th parralel group said:

We all speak together...The universe either came from nothing or it is eternal.There is no third scientific option.Your model has the former ours has the latter.

This is called "preaching" or "soapboxing", where you make a statement ("Your model says the universe came from nothing"), it gets refuted ("No, the LCDM model doesn't say ANYTHING about where the universe came from, it starts just after it began expanding"), and then you just keep repeating the wrong statement again over and over ("Yours has the former"). We can't discuss this if you're going to soapbox about it. Take your fingers out of your ears, please.

[beecee]

2 hours ago, 49th parralel group said:

We all speak together...The universe either came from nothing or it is eternal.There is no third scientific option.Your model has the former ours has the latter.

You don't have a model. You have a fairy tale.

[49th parralel group]

They could both be called fairy tails if one dose not have an open mind...Why do galaxies collide if we are still accelerating?Why is the milky way colliding with Andromeda with gravity alone? Hows that possible?

[Bufofrog]

5 minutes ago, 49th parralel group said:

Why do galaxies collide if we are still accelerating?Why is the milky way colliding with Andromeda with gravity alone? Hows that possible?

If only you were actually asking a question and would listen to the answer...

[Area54]

20 hours ago, beecee said:

You don't have a model. You have a fairy tale.

I can't agree with you. Fairy tales are interesting and often have an important moral message.

[MigL]

1 hour ago, 49th parralel group said:

They could both be called fairy tails

No, the only time they are similar is prior to 10^-43 sec.
After that time, the Big Bang model is well supported by observation and currently accepted science.

Maybe if you asked a few questions, and actually considered the given responses, you might understand it better, and realize there is no need for the nonsense yu are proposing.
Any one here will be glad to tell you that M31 will collide with our galaxy in 4 Billion years because the two are gravitationally bound. The same reason the planets are not expanding away from the solar system, and you are not expanding away from the surface of the Earth.
Dark energy, or the Cosmological Constant, is only able to overcome the very weak gravity at extremely long distances.
Even galaxy clusters are gravitationally bound; it is only past those scales that expansion , and accelerated expansion, predominates.

[beecee]

4 hours ago, 49th parralel group said:

They could both be called fairy tails if one dose not have an open mind...Why do galaxies collide if we are still accelerating?Why is the milky way colliding with Andromeda with gravity alone? Hows that possible?

You keep on ignoring the answers given to you. The reason why M31 and the MW are on collision was given in the third post to this thread. Plus of course the BB is supported by the four main cosmological pillars, which was also given. I don't see your approach to this subject as honest, sorry.

Edited February 27, 2021 by beecee

[Markus Hanke]

On 2/26/2021 at 5:40 PM, 49th parralel group said:

The universe either came from nothing or it is eternal.

This is not true, because it is possible to construct topologies that are unbounded in space and time, yet finite in extent - analogous to (e.g.) the surface of a sphere, which has no boundary, but nonetheless a finite and well defined surface area. The Hartle-Hawking state (a valid solution to the Wheeler-deWitt equation) is one such example for the universe as a whole; it describes a spacetime that is finite in temporal (and possibly spatial) terms, and yet has no boundaries in either space nor time.

Even the reverse is possible - one can conceive geometric constructs that have a finite and well-defined boundary in all spatial directions, and at the same time infinite surface area enclosing zero volume, such as the Sierpinski cube.

The global geometry and topology of the universe is a question that is nowhere near as straightforward as you seem to think it is, so be careful about making claims such as the above.

[SergUpstart]

On 2/19/2021 at 10:46 PM, 49th parralel group said:

The universal model we propose is cyclical in nature...We will begin with a super giant black hole. This black hole is at the point of the big bang we are familiar with, and all the matter of the universe is inside it..The black holes we see today have only been studied for about 13 billion years, and we have not seen their full life cycle.As they will be transitory in nature changes will occur over time,entropy will occur. I speculate in a time span of say a 100 billion years ,an explosion will happen, propelling all its contents out of its aperture.

What will be the detonator of this explosion?

Even photons can't escape beyond the event horizon of a black hole, so how does all the matter in the universe end up outside the event horizon of this black hole?

In general, the atheist's dream is to create a model of a cyclic Universe that would exist forever and, therefore, would not require a Creator. But this criterion is better met by a model in which our Universe is part of a multiverse, in which Big Explosions constantly occur, giving birth to new Universes.

[49th parralel group]

The universal model we propose is cyclical in nature...We will begin with a super massive black hole.This black hole is at the point of the big bang we are familiar with.All the matter of the universe is inside it,about  25% the size of the milky way.....The black holes we see today have only been studied for 13 billion years,and we have not seen their full life cycle.As they will be transitory in nature,changes will occur over time.Entropy will occur...I speculate in a time span of say a 100 billion years,an explosion will happen,as we can see behind us.The contents will be propelled out of its aperture.This explosion will make all the elements,hydrogen being the most abundant....Inside the singularity bubbles will eventually form,these will be the galaxies in their various shapes....Doppler shift calculations cannot be relied upon because of lensing distortion due to atom reflections in space and the earths atmosphere...We propose  galaxies are colliding already, in the past and in the near future with the milky way and Andromeda because were slowing down...The speed of galaxy expansion will slow down because of dark matter/energy, eventually..The space fabric will then start to contract to its starting shape ,shrouding the super massive black hole.This will bring the galaxies together and another super massive black hole will emerge and consume the first ones remnants,and the cycle will continue...We don't believe the universe came from nothing and must therefore be eternal.

[swansont]

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