zapatos Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: Because unlike you nature cannot be fooled. Perhaps you can help me as I seem to be fooled here. What gender do you associate with the following?
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 39 minutes ago, zapatos said: Perhaps you can help me as I seem to be fooled here. What gender do you associate with the following? Female. From Diabetic fetopathy associated with bilateral adrenal hyperplasia and ambiguous genitalia: a case report Quote The newborn with ambiguous genitalia was delivered with Apgar scores at 1 and 5 minutes of 4 and 3 respectively and was handed to the waiting neonatologist in the operative room. The newborn finally expired due to respiratory failure eighteen minutes after birth. The subsequent fetal chromosomal study revealed 46,XX. Did you have a point?
iNow Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: Did you have a point? The point is that your assertion of binary only genders is unsupportable nonsense, not based on science, and is most commonly rooted in ignorance and bigotry. 1
zapatos Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: Female. From Diabetic fetopathy associated with bilateral adrenal hyperplasia and ambiguous genitalia: a case report Did you have a point? What is your gender identification based on?
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, iNow said: your assertion of binary only genders What? 6 minutes ago, zapatos said: What is your gender identification based on? Answer my previous question first.
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, iNow said: Did I stutter? No, you're just wrong.
iNow Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: No, you're just wrong. Elaborate You appear to be suggesting you didn’t intend to suggest binary genders with your “can’t fool nature” comment. If that’s inaccurate, surely you can clarify your meaning. Said another way, what’s your point?
zapatos Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: Answer my previous question first. No, I don't. I'm exploring why you think gender is a simple matter of science.
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, iNow said: Elaborate You appear to be suggesting you didn’t intend to suggest binary genders with your “can’t fool nature” comment. If that’s inaccurate, surely you can clarify your meaning. Said another way, what’s your point? There are insurmountable and systematic differences in athletic performance between men and women. Right now those differences cannot be fully eliminated with hormone therapy or other medical interventions. Pretending that they can be will not fool nature. 11 minutes ago, zapatos said: No, I don't. I'm exploring why you think gender is a simple matter of science. It definitely isn't simple or science if we make a person's gender dependent on their belief, since belief has nothing to do with science.
iNow Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: There are insurmountable and systematic differences in athletic performance between men and women Insurmountable? Lol. I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Your generalizations are... let’s just call them... misguided and misogynistic.
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, iNow said: Insurmountable? Lol. I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Men 100m sprint: Rank Mark WIND Competitor DOB Nat Pos Venue Date Results Score 1 9.58 +0.9 Usain BOLT 21 AUG 1986 JAM 1 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 16 AUG 2009 1356 2 9.69 +2.0 Tyson GAY 09 AUG 1982 USA 1 Shanghai (CHN) 20 SEP 2009 1316 2 9.69 -0.1 Yohan BLAKE 26 DEC 1989 JAM 1 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 23 AUG 2012 1316 4 9.72 +0.2 Asafa POWELL 23 NOV 1982 JAM 1f1 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 02 SEP 2008 1305 5 9.74 +0.9 Justin GATLIN 10 FEB 1982 USA 1 Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha (QAT) 15 MAY 2015 1298 6 9.76 +0.6 Christian COLEMAN 06 MAR 1996 USA 1f Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 28 SEP 2019 1291 7 9.78 +0.9 Nesta CARTER 11 OCT 1985 JAM 1 Guidobaldi, Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010 1283 8 9.79 +0.1 Maurice GREENE 23 JUL 1974 USA 1f3 Athina (GRE) 16 JUN 1999 1280 9 9.80 +1.3 Steve MULLINGS 29 NOV 1982 JAM 1 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 04 JUN 2011 1276 10 9.82 +1.7 Richard THOMPSON 07 JUN 1985 TTO 1f2 Port-of-Spain (TTO) 21 JUN 2014 1269 11 9.84 +0.7 Donovan BAILEY 16 DEC 1967 CAN 1 Olympic Stadium, Atlanta, GA (USA) 27 JUL 1996 1262 11 9.84 +0.2 Bruny SURIN 12 JUL 1967 CAN 2 La Cartuja, Sevilla (ESP) 22 AUG 1999 1262 11 9.84 +1.3 Trayvon BROMELL 10 JUL 1995 USA 1h4 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 25 JUN 2015 1262 14 9.85 +1.2 Leroy BURRELL 21 FEB 1967 USA 1f3 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 1994 1259 14 9.85 +1.7 Olusoji Adetokunbo FASUBA 09 JUL 1984 NGR 1 Doha (QAT) 12 MAY 2006 1259 14 9.85 +1.3 Michael RODGERS 24 APR 1985 USA 2 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 04 JUN 2011 1259 17 9.86 +1.2 Carl LEWIS 01 JUL 1961 USA 1 Olympic Stadium, Tokyo (JPN) 25 AUG 1991 1255 17 9.86 -0.4 Frank FREDERICKS 02 OCT 1967 NAM 1f1 Lausanne (SUI) 03 JUL 1996 1257 17 9.86 +1.8 Ato BOLDON 30 DEC 1973 TTO 1 Walnut, CA (USA) 19 APR 1998 1255 17 9.86 +0.6 Francis OBIKWELU 22 NOV 1978 POR 2 Olympic Stadium, Athina (GRE) 22 AUG 2004 1255 17 9.86 +1.4 Keston BLEDMAN 08 MAR 1988 TTO 1f2 Port-of-Spain (TTO) 23 JUN 2012 1255 17 9.86 +1.3 Jimmy VICAUT 27 FEB 1992 FRA 2 Paris (FRA) 04 JUL 2015 1255 17 9.86 +0.9 Noah LYLES 18 JUL 1997 USA 1 Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai (CHN) 18 MAY 2019 1255 17 9.86 +0.8 Divine ODUDURU 07 OCT 1996 NGR 1 Austin, TX (USA) 07 JUN 2019 1255 17 9.86 +1.6 Michael NORMAN 03 DEC 1997 USA 1f3 AP Ranch, Fort Worth, TX (USA) 20 JUL 2020 1255 26 9.87 +0.3 Linford CHRISTIE 02 APR 1960 GBR 1 Gottlieb-Daimler Stadion, Stuttgart (GER) 15 AUG 1993 1252 26 9.87 -0.2 Obadele THOMPSON 30 MAR 1976 BAR 1 SGJ, Johannesburg (RSA) 11 SEP 1998 1253 26 9.87 -0.1 Ronnie BAKER 15 OCT 1993 USA 1 Stadion Śląski, Chorzów (POL) 22 AUG 2018 1252 29 9.88 +1.8 Shawn CRAWFORD 14 JAN 1978 USA 1 Eugene, OR (USA) 19 JUN 2004 1248 29 9.88 +1.0 Walter DIX 31 JAN 1986 USA 2f2 Luzern (SUI) 08 AUG 2010 1248 29 9.88 +0.9 Ryan BAILEY 13 APR 1989 USA 2 Guidobaldi, Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010 1248 29 9.88 +1.0 Michael FRATER 06 OCT 1982 JAM 2 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 30 JUN 2011 1248 33 9.89 +1.6 Travis PADGETT 13 DEC 1986 USA 1qf2 Eugene, OR (USA) 28 JUN 2008 1245 33 9.89 +1.6 Darvis PATTON 04 DEC 1977 USA 1qf3 Eugene, OR (USA) 28 JUN 2008 1245 33 9.89 +1.3 Ngonidzashe MAKUSHA 11 MAR 1987 ZIM 1 Des Moines, IA (USA) 10 JUN 2011 1245 33 9.89 +1.9 Akani SIMBINE 21 SEP 1993 RSA 1 Sóstói Stadion, Székesfehérvár (HUN) 18 JUL 2016 1245 37 9.90 +0.4 Nickel ASHMEADE 07 APR 1990 JAM 1sf2 Luzhniki, Moskva (RUS) 11 AUG 2013 1241 37 9.90 +0.6 André DE GRASSE 10 NOV 1994 CAN 3f Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 28 SEP 2019 1241 39 9.91 +1.5 Dennis MITCHELL 20 FEB 1966 USA 1 Arena Civica, Milano (ITA) 07 SEP 1996 1238 39 9.91 +0.9 Leonard SCOTT 19 JAN 1980 USA 2 Gottlieb-Daimler Stadion, Stuttgart (GER) 09 SEP 2006 1238 39 9.91 -0.5 Derrick ATKINS 05 JAN 1984 BAH 2 Nagai Stadium, Osaka (JPN) 26 AUG 2007 1241 39 9.91 -0.2 Daniel BAILEY 09 SEP 1986 ANT 2 Paris-St-Denis (FRA) 17 JUL 2009 1239 39 9.91 +0.7 Churandy MARTINA 03 JUL 1984 NED 2sf1 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 05 AUG 2012 1238 39 9.91 +1.1 James DASAOLU 05 SEP 1987 GBR 1sf2 Birmingham (GBR) 13 JUL 2013 1238 39 9.91 +1.8 Femi OGUNODE 15 MAY 1991 QAT 1 Wuhan (CHN) 04 JUN 2015 1238 39 9.91 +1.0 Julian FORTE 07 JAN 1993 JAM 1 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 27 AUG 2017 1238 39 9.91 +0.4 Zharnel HUGHES 13 JUL 1995 GBR 1f1 Kingston (JAM) 09 JUN 2018 1238 39 9.91 +0.2 Bingtian SU 29 AUG 1989 CHN 1 Moratalaz, Madrid (ESP) 22 JUN 2018 1238 49 9.92 +0.3 Andre CASON 20 JAN 1969 USA 2 Gottlieb-Daimler Stadion, Stuttgart (GER) 15 AUG 1993 1234 49 9.92 +0.8 Jon DRUMMOND 09 SEP 1968 USA h Indianapolis, IN (USA) 12 JUN 1997 1234 49 9.92 +0.2 Tim MONTGOMERY 28 JAN 1975 USA 2 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 13 JUN 1997 1234 49 9.92 -0.2 Seun OGUNKOYA 28 DEC 1977 NGR 2 SGJ, Johannesburg (RSA) 11 SEP 1998 1235 49 9.92 +1.0 Tim HARDEN 27 JAN 1974 USA 1 Luzern (SUI) 05 JUL 1999 1234 49 9.92 +2.0 Christophe LEMAITRE 11 JUN 1990 FRA 1 Albi (FRA) 29 JUL 2011 1234 49 9.92 -0.8 Kemar BAILEY-COLE 10 JAN 1992 JAM 3 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 24 JUL 2015 1238 49 9.92 +0.9 Jak Ali HARVEY 04 MAY 1989 TUR 1f2 Erzurum (TUR) 12 JUN 2016 1234 49 9.92 +0.7 Isiah YOUNG 05 JAN 1990 USA 1f1 Montverde, FL (USA) 09 JUN 2018 1234 58 9.93 +1.4 Calvin SMITH 08 JAN 1961 USA 1 Air Force Academy (USA) 03 JUL 1983 1231 58 9.93 -0.6 Michael MARSH 04 AUG 1967 USA 1f1 Walnut, CA (USA) 18 APR 1992 1234 58 9.93 +1.8 Patrick JOHNSON 26 SEP 1972 AUS 1 Mito (JPN) 05 MAY 2003 1231 58 9.93 +1.1 Ivory WILLIAMS 02 MAY 1985 USA 1f2 Rethymno (GRE) 20 JUL 2009 1231 58 9.93 +1.8 Kemarley BROWN 20 JUL 1992 JAM 1 Walnut, CA (USA) 17 MAY 2014 1231 58 9.93 +1.7 Clayton VAUGHN 15 MAY 1992 USA 1 Mobile, AL (USA) 08 MAY 2015 1231 58 9.93 +2.0 Marvin BRACY 15 DEC 1993 USA 1 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 07 JUN 2015 1231 58 9.93 +1.9 Kim COLLINS 05 APR 1976 SKN 1f2 Bottrop (GER) 29 MAY 2016 1231 58 9.93 +0.8 Cameron BURRELL 11 SEP 1994 USA 1sf2 Eugene, OR (USA) 07 JUN 2017 1231 58 9.93 +1.6 Christopher BELCHER 29 JAN 1994 USA 1sf3 Eugene, OR (USA) 07 JUN 2017 1231 58 9.93 +0.8 Cravon GILLESPIE 31 JUL 1996 USA 2 Austin, TX (USA) 07 JUN 2019 1231 58 9.93 +1.9 Arthur CISSÉ 29 DEC 1996 CIV 1 Leverkusen (GER) 24 JUL 2019 1231 70 9.94 +0.2 Davidson EZINWA 22 NOV 1971 NGR 1 Linz (AUT) 04 JUL 1994 1227 70 9.94 -0.2 Bernard WILLIAMS 19 JAN 1978 USA 2 Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton (CAN) 05 AUG 2001 1228 70 9.94 +1.7 Diondre BATSON 13 JUL 1992 USA 2h2 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 25 JUN 2015 1227 70 9.94 +1.4 Andrew FISHER 15 DEC 1991 JAM 2 Moratalaz, Madrid (ESP) 11 JUL 2015 1227 70 9.94 +1.0 Ameer WEBB 19 MAR 1991 USA 2f1 Stadio Olimpico, Roma (ITA) 02 JUN 2016 1227 70 9.94 +0.9 Wayde VAN NIEKERK 15 JUL 1992 RSA 1f3 Velenje (SLO) 20 JUN 2017 1227 70 9.94 -0.5 Reece PRESCOD 29 FEB 1996 GBR 2 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 18 AUG 2018 1230 77 9.95 +0.3 Jim HINES 10 SEP 1946 USA 1 Estadio Olímpico, Ciudad de México (MEX) 14 OCT 1968 1224 77 9.95 +0.8 Ben JOHNSON 30 DEC 1961 CAN 1f1 Moskva (URS) 09 JUL 1986 1224 77 9.95 +1.9 Olapade ADENIKEN 19 AUG 1969 NGR 1f1 El Paso, TX (USA) 16 APR 1994 1224 77 9.95 +0.8 Vincent HENDERSON 20 OCT 1972 USA 1 Leverkusen (GER) 09 AUG 1998 1224 77 9.95 +1.8 Joshua J. JOHNSON 10 MAY 1976 USA 1 Walnut, CA (USA) 21 APR 2002 1224 77 9.95 +0.6 Deji ALIU 22 NOV 1975 NGR 1 Abuja (NGR) 12 OCT 2003 1224 77 9.95 +1.8 John CAPEL 27 OCT 1978 USA 3 Eugene, OR (USA) 19 JUN 2004 1224 77 9.95 +1.6 Rodney MARTIN 22 DEC 1982 USA 2qf2 Eugene, OR (USA) 28 JUN 2008 1224 77 9.95 -0.8 Trell KIMMONS 13 JUL 1985 USA 1f2 Letzigrund, Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2010 1228 77 9.95 +0.9 Mario FORSYTHE 30 OCT 1985 JAM 3 Guidobaldi, Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010 1224 77 9.95 +1.8 Kemar HYMAN 11 OCT 1989 CAY 1h2 Moratalaz, Madrid (ESP) 07 JUL 2012 1224 77 9.95 +1.2 Thando ROTO 26 SEP 1995 RSA 2 Pretoria (RSA) 18 MAR 2017 1224 89 9.96 +0.1 Mel LATTANY 10 AUG 1959 USA 1 Athens, GA (USA) 05 MAY 1984 1220 89 9.96 +1.2 Raymond STEWART 18 MAR 1965 JAM 6 Olympic Stadium, Tokyo (JPN) 25 AUG 1991 1220 89 9.96 +0.8 Kareem STREETE-THOMPSON 30 MAR 1973 USA h Indianapolis, IN (USA) 12 JUN 1997 1220 89 9.96 +1.0 Marc BURNS 07 JAN 1983 TTO 1 Port-of-Spain (TTO) 25 JUN 2005 1220 89 9.96 0.0 Wallace SPEARMON 24 DEC 1984 USA 1 Shanghai (CHN) 28 SEP 2007 1220 89 9.96 +1.4 Harry ADAMS 27 NOV 1989 USA 1h2 Des Moines, IA (USA) 06 JUN 2012 1220 89 9.96 -0.4 Dentarius LOCKE 12 DEC 1989 USA 2 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 19 JUL 2013 1222 89 9.96 +1.4 Chijindu UJAH 05 MAR 1994 GBR 2 Blankers-Koen Stadion, Hengelo (NED) 08 JUN 2014 1220 89 9.96 +1.3 Quentin BUTLER 18 SEP 1992 USA 2h4 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 25 JUN 2015 1220 89 9.96 +1.6 Senoj-Jay GIVANS 30 DEC 1993 JAM 1sf3 Eugene, OR (USA) 08 JUN 2016 1220 89 9.96 +2.0 Aaron BROWN 27 MAY 1992 CAN 1h1 Montverde, FL (USA) 11 JUN 2016 1220 89 9.96 +2.0 Joel FEARON 11 OCT 1988 GBR 1 Bedford (GBR) 30 JUL 2016 1220 Women 100m sprint: Rank Mark WIND Competitor DOB Nat Pos Venue Date Results Score 1 10.49 0.0 Florence GRIFFITH-JOYNER 21 DEC 1959 USA 1qf1 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 16 JUL 1988 1314 2 10.64 +1.2 Carmelita JETER 24 NOV 1979 USA 1 Shanghai (CHN) 20 SEP 2009 1280 3 10.65 +1.1 Marion JONES 12 OCT 1975 USA 1 SGJ, Johannesburg (RSA) 12 SEP 1998 1277 4 10.70 +0.6 Shelly-Ann FRASER-PRYCE 27 DEC 1986 JAM 1 Kingston (JAM) 29 JUN 2012 1266 4 10.70 +0.3 Elaine THOMPSON 28 JUN 1992 JAM 1 Kingston (JAM) 01 JUL 2016 1266 6 10.73 +2.0 Christine ARRON 13 SEP 1973 FRA 1 Népstadion, Budapest (HUN) 19 AUG 1998 1259 7 10.74 +1.3 Merlene OTTEY 10 MAY 1960 JAM 1 Arena Civica, Milano (ITA) 07 SEP 1996 1257 7 10.74 +1.0 English GARDNER 22 APR 1992 USA 1 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 03 JUL 2016 1257 9 10.75 +0.4 Kerron STEWART 16 APR 1984 JAM 1 Stadio Olimpico, Roma (ITA) 10 JUL 2009 1255 9 10.75 +1.6 Sha'Carri RICHARDSON 25 MAR 2000 USA 1 Austin, TX (USA) 08 JUN 2019 1255 11 10.76 +1.7 Evelyn ASHFORD 15 APR 1957 USA 1 Zürich (SUI) 22 AUG 1984 1253 11 10.76 +1.1 Veronica CAMPBELL-BROWN 15 MAY 1982 JAM 1 Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE) 31 MAY 2011 1253 13 10.77 +0.9 Irina PRIVALOVA 22 NOV 1968 RUS 1f2 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 1994 1251 13 10.77 +0.7 Ivet LALOVA-COLLIO 18 MAY 1984 BUL 1 Plovdiv (BUL) 19 JUN 2004 1251 15 10.78 +1.0 Dawn SOWELL 27 MAR 1966 USA 1 Provo, UT (USA) 03 JUN 1989 1248 15 10.78 +1.8 Torri EDWARDS 31 JAN 1977 USA 1sf2 Eugene, OR (USA) 28 JUN 2008 1248 15 10.78 +1.6 Murielle AHOURÉ 23 AUG 1987 CIV 1f1 Montverde, FL (USA) 11 JUN 2016 1248 15 10.78 +1.0 Tianna BARTOLETTA 30 AUG 1985 USA 2 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 03 JUL 2016 1248 15 10.78 +1.0 Tori BOWIE 27 AUG 1990 USA 3 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 03 JUL 2016 1248 20 10.79 0.0 Xuemei LI 05 JAN 1977 CHN 1 Shanghai (CHN) 18 OCT 1997 1246 20 10.79 -0.1 Inger MILLER 12 JUN 1972 USA 2 La Cartuja, Sevilla (ESP) 22 AUG 1999 1246 20 10.79 +1.1 Blessing OKAGBARE-IGHOTEGUONOR 09 OCT 1988 NGR 1 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 27 JUL 2013 1246 23 10.81 +1.7 Marlies GÖHR 21 MAR 1958 GDR 1 Berlin (GER) 08 JUN 1983 1242 23 10.81 -0.3 Dafne SCHIPPERS 15 JUN 1992 NED 2 National Stadium, Beijing (CHN) 24 AUG 2015 1243 25 10.82 -1.0 Gail DEVERS 19 NOV 1966 USA 1 Estadio Olímpico, Barcelona (ESP) 01 AUG 1992 1245 25 10.82 +0.4 Gwen TORRENCE 12 JUN 1965 USA 2 Paris (FRA) 03 SEP 1994 1239 25 10.82 -0.3 Zhanna BLOCK 06 JUL 1972 UKR 1 Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton (CAN) 06 AUG 2001 1240 25 10.82 -0.7 Sherone SIMPSON 12 AUG 1984 JAM 1 Kingston (JAM) 24 JUN 2006 1243 25 10.82 +0.9 Michelle-Lee AHYE 10 APR 1992 TTO 1f2 Port-of-Spain (TTO) 24 JUN 2017 1239 30 10.83 +1.7 Marita KOCH 18 FEB 1957 GDR 2 Berlin (GER) 08 JUN 1983 1237 30 10.83 0.0 Sheila ECHOLS 02 OCT 1964 USA 1qf2 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 16 JUL 1988 1237 30 10.83 -1.0 Juliet CUTHBERT 09 APR 1964 JAM 2 Estadio Olímpico, Barcelona (ESP) 01 AUG 1992 1243 30 10.83 +0.1 Katerina THANOU 01 FEB 1975 GRE 2sf1 La Cartuja, Sevilla (ESP) 22 AUG 1999 1237 30 10.83 +0.1 Dina ASHER-SMITH 04 DEC 1995 GBR 2f Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 29 SEP 2019 1237 35 10.84 +1.9 Chandra STURRUP 12 SEP 1971 BAH 1f1 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 05 JUL 2005 1235 35 10.84 +1.8 Kelly-Ann BAPTISTE 14 OCT 1986 TTO 1f1 Clermont, FL (USA) 05 JUN 2010 1235 37 10.85 +2.0 Anelia NUNEVA 30 JUN 1962 BUL 1h1 Sofia (BUL) 02 SEP 1988 1233 37 10.85 +1.0 Muna LEE 30 OCT 1981 USA 1 Eugene, OR (USA) 28 JUN 2008 1233 37 10.85 +2.0 Barbara PIERRE 28 APR 1987 USA 1sf1 Drake Stadium, Des Moines, IA (USA) 21 JUN 2013 1233 37 10.85 +2.0 Aleia HOBBS 24 FEB 1996 USA 1f1 Baton Rouge, LA (USA) 29 APR 2017 1233 37 10.85 +1.5 Marie-Josée TA LOU 18 NOV 1988 CIV 1 Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha (QAT) 04 MAY 2018 1233 42 10.86 +0.6 Silke MÖLLER 20 JUN 1964 GDR 1 Potsdam (GDR) 20 AUG 1987 1231 42 10.86 0.0 Diane WILLIAMS 14 DEC 1960 USA 2qf1 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 16 JUL 1988 1231 42 10.86 +1.2 Chryste GAINES 14 SEP 1970 USA 1 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 14 SEP 2003 1231 42 10.86 +2.0 Marshevet HOOKER 25 SEP 1984 USA 2 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 04 JUN 2011 1231 46 10.87 +1.8 Octavious FREEMAN 20 APR 1992 USA 2 Drake Stadium, Des Moines, IA (USA) 21 JUN 2013 1228 47 10.88 +0.4 Lauryn WILLIAMS 11 SEP 1983 USA 2 Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2005 1226 48 10.89 +1.8 Katrin KRABBE 22 NOV 1969 GDR 1 Berlin (GER) 20 JUL 1988 1224 48 10.89 0.0 Xiaomei LIU 11 JAN 1972 CHN 2 Shanghai (CHN) 18 OCT 1997 1224 48 10.89 +1.5 Allyson FELIX 18 NOV 1985 USA 5 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 04 AUG 2012 1224 51 10.90 +1.4 Glory ALOZIE 30 DEC 1977 NGR 1 Laguna (ESP) 05 JUN 1999 1222 51 10.90 +1.8 Shalonda SOLOMON 19 DEC 1985 USA 2f1 Clermont, FL (USA) 05 JUN 2010 1222 53 10.91 +0.2 Heike DRECHSLER 16 DEC 1964 GDR 2 Moskva (URS) 06 JUL 1986 1220 53 10.91 +1.1 Savatheda FYNES 17 OCT 1974 BAH 2 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 02 JUL 1999 1220 53 10.91 +1.5 Debbie FERGUSON-MCKENZIE 16 JAN 1976 BAH 1 Manchester (GBR) 27 JUL 2002 1220 53 10.91 +1.8 Alexandria ANDERSON 28 JAN 1987 USA 3 Drake Stadium, Des Moines, IA (USA) 21 JUN 2013 1220 53 10.91 -0.2 Rosângela SANTOS 20 DEC 1990 BRA 2sf2 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 06 AUG 2017 1221 58 10.92 0.0 Alice BROWN 20 SEP 1960 USA 2qf2 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 16 JUL 1988 1217 58 10.92 +1.1 D'Andre HILL 19 APR 1973 USA 3 Atlanta, GA (USA) 15 JUN 1996 1217 58 10.92 +0.1 Yulia NESTSIARENKA 15 JUN 1979 BLR 1sf1 Olympic Stadium, Athina (GRE) 21 AUG 2004 1217 58 10.92 +1.4 Jenna PRANDINI 20 NOV 1992 USA 1f1 Walnut, CA (USA) 18 APR 2015 1217 58 10.92 +1.2 Jasmine TODD 23 DEC 1993 USA 3 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 26 JUN 2015 1217 63 10.93 +1.8 Ewa KASPRZYK 07 SEP 1957 POL 1 Grudziadz (POL) 27 JUN 1986 1215 63 10.93 +1.0 Tayna LAWRENCE 17 SEP 1975 JAM 1 Bruxelles (BEL) 30 AUG 2002 1215 63 10.93 +1.8 Jeneba TARMOH 27 SEP 1989 USA 4 Drake Stadium, Des Moines, IA (USA) 21 JUN 2013 1215 66 10.94 +1.0 Carlette GUIDRY 04 SEP 1968 USA 1 New York, NY (USA) 14 JUN 1991 1213 66 10.94 -0.1 Schillonie CALVERT-POWELL 27 JUL 1988 JAM 1h1 Mesa, AZ (USA) 10 JUN 2017 1213 68 10.95 +1.0 Bärbel WÖCKEL 21 MAR 1955 GDR 2 Dresden (GER) 01 JUN 1982 1211 68 10.95 +2.0 Me'Lisa BARBER 04 OCT 1980 USA 3 Carson, CA (USA) 20 MAY 2007 1211 68 10.95 +1.8 Simone FACEY 07 MAY 1985 JAM 1 Boulder, CO (USA) 18 MAY 2008 1211 68 10.95 +1.0 Morolake AKINOSUN 17 MAY 1994 USA 4 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 03 JUL 2016 1211 68 10.95 +1.3 Gina LÜCKENKEMPER 21 NOV 1996 GER 1h1 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 05 AUG 2017 1211 68 10.95 +1.1 Mujinga KAMBUNDJI 17 JUN 1992 SUI 1 Zofingen (SUI) 13 JUL 2018 1211 68 10.95 +1.6 Kayla WHITE 24 SEP 1996 USA 2 Austin, TX (USA) 08 JUN 2019 1211 75 10.96 +1.2 Marie-José PÉREC 09 MAY 1968 FRA 1 Dijon (FRA) 27 JUL 1991 1209 75 10.96 +2.0 Galina MALCHUGINA 17 DEC 1962 RUS 2 Moskva (RUS) 22 JUN 1992 1209 75 10.96 +1.0 Eldece CLARKE-LEWIS 13 FEB 1965 BAH 1 Fort-de-France (FRA) 29 APR 2000 1209 75 10.96 +0.4 Muriel HURTIS 25 MAR 1979 FRA 1 Parc des Sports, Annecy (FRA) 22 JUN 2002 1209 75 10.96 +1.9 Kimberlyn DUNCAN 02 AUG 1991 USA 1 Baton Rouge, LA (USA) 13 MAY 2012 1209 75 10.96 +2.0 Aurieyall SCOTT 18 MAY 1992 USA 2sf1 Drake Stadium, Des Moines, IA (USA) 21 JUN 2013 1209 75 10.96 +0.9 Natasha MORRISON 17 NOV 1992 JAM 3sf2 National Stadium, Beijing (CHN) 24 AUG 2015 1209 75 10.96 +1.0 Christania WILLIAMS 17 OCT 1994 JAM 3sf1 Estádio Olímpico, Rio de Janeiro (BRA) 13 AUG 2016 1209 75 10.96 +0.3 Mikiah BRISCO 14 JUL 1996 USA 1 Eugene, OR (USA) 10 JUN 2017 1209 75 10.96 +0.6 Ashley HENDERSON 04 DEC 1995 USA 2 Drake Stadium, Des Moines, IA (USA) 22 JUN 2018 1209 85 10.97 0.0 Angella ISSAJENKO 28 SEP 1958 CAN 3 Köln (GER) 16 AUG 1987 1206 85 10.97 +0.2 Mary ONYALI-OMAGBEMI 03 FEB 1968 NGR 1qf2 Gottlieb-Daimler Stadion, Stuttgart (GER) 15 AUG 1993 1206 85 10.97 +0.1 Pauline DAVIS-THOMPSON 09 JUL 1966 BAH 3 Nassau (BAH) 21 JUL 2000 1206 85 10.97 +0.1 LaTasha COLANDER 23 AUG 1976 USA 1 Sacramento, CA (USA) 10 JUL 2004 1206 85 10.97 -0.7 Sanya RICHARDS-ROSS 26 FEB 1985 USA 2 Shanghai (CHN) 28 SEP 2007 1210 85 10.97 +1.8 Mechelle LEWIS 20 SEP 1980 USA 2sf2 Eugene, OR (USA) 28 JUN 2008 1206 85 10.97 +1.2 LaShauntea MOORE 31 JUL 1983 USA 1 Maringa (BRA) 30 MAY 2010 1206 92 10.98 +0.1 Marina ZHIROVA 06 JUN 1963 URS 2 Moskva (URS) 17 AUG 1985 1204 92 10.98 +0.8 Angela BAILEY 28 FEB 1962 CAN 2 Budapest (HUN) 06 JUL 1987 1204 92 10.98 +1.6 Natalya VORONOVA 09 JUL 1965 URS 2qf2 Olympic Stadium, Jamsil, Seoul (KOR) 24 SEP 1988 1204 92 10.98 +0.6 Léonie Myriam MANI 21 MAY 1977 CMR 2f2 Athina (GRE) 11 JUN 2001 1204 92 10.98 +0.5 Carrie RUSSELL 18 OCT 1990 JAM 1f2 Letzigrund, Zürich (SUI) 29 AUG 2013 1204 92 10.98 +2.0 Candace HILL 11 FEB 1999 USA 1 Shoreline, WA (USA) 20 JUN 2015 1204 92 10.98 +1.5 Carina HORN 09 MAR 1989 RSA 5 Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha (QAT) 04 MAY 2018 1204 92 10.98 +1.5 Shania COLLINS 14 NOV 1996 USA 1sf1 Eugene, OR (USA) 07 JUN 2018 1204 92 10.98 +1.6 Twanisha TERRY 24 JAN 1999 USA 3 Austin, TX (USA) 08 JUN 2019 1204 The fastest woman couldn't outrun the 100th fastest man. It's not even close. Insurmountable is the appropriate word.
iNow Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 I gave examples of it being surmounted. Just because you found one specific example where it wasn’t doesn’t magically render my rebuttal invalid. Either way, you’re boring and I’m done.
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, iNow said: I gave examples of it being surmounted. Just because you found one specific example where it wasn’t doesn’t magically render my rebuttal invalid. I said insurmountable and systematic. My example shows a systematic difference which is typical in athletics. Your examples are in fact the ones which are specific, anecdotal, and not observed at the highest levels of performance. 14 minutes ago, iNow said: Either way, you’re boring and I’m done. Reality can be boring. While your fantasies may be more interesting, nature cannot be fooled. 1
Curious layman Posted March 6, 2021 Author Posted March 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, iNow said: I gave examples of it being surmounted. Just because you found one specific example where it wasn’t doesn’t magically render my rebuttal invalid. Either way, you’re boring and I’m done. She does have a point though (the men's running events, not the other stuff). For alot of sportsmen/women, sport is a way out of poverty. What if you're born female and you're considered a world class athlete, in some sports if you moved over to the men's events you're career would be over, you wouldn't even qualify. That's not a situation that would encourage people to be themselves. I could be wrong, but their seems to be a lot more male to female athletes entering sports than female to male athletes. It's something I think needs to be addressed at some point. I don't think sport needs a major overhaul, just a few tweaks here and there. 1
iNow Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, Curious layman said: I could be wrong, but their seems to be a lot more male to female athletes entering sports than female to male athletes. Perhaps you’re wrong. Perhaps you’re correct. These claims can be verified. Do you know how to count? Then count. Return when done. It’s a simple count based on what’s actually happening in actual reality. You haven’t done that, though. You’ve not cited someone else who’s done that, either. You’re literally extracting assertions from your colon, arriving at conclusions based on those deposits, and expecting all of us to accept them as valid. In a word, No. In another word, Stop.
Curious layman Posted March 6, 2021 Author Posted March 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, iNow said: Return when done. Sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports#Trans_men at the bottom. 20 minutes ago, iNow said: and expecting all of us to accept them as valid Now who's extracting assertions from their colon. I have made no assertions, just given opinions. Quote An opinion is a judgement, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive. 29 minutes ago, iNow said: In a word, No. In another word, Stop. You need to get of your high horse and stop assuming people who are interested in this have an anti trans agenda. 3
zapatos Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 2 hours ago, VenusPrincess said: It definitely isn't simple or science if we make a person's gender dependent on their belief, since belief has nothing to do with science. You promised to answer my question. 6 minutes ago, Curious layman said: You need to get of your high horse and stop assuming people who are interested in this have an anti trans agenda. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. If you don't want us to assume you and another have an anti-trans agenda then stop saying things that sound like you do have an agenda. -1
iNow Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Curious layman said: Sure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports#Trans_men at the bottom. Your link doesn’t support your claim. Your link mentions “notable” athletes, but you claimed that there are “a lot more male to female athletes entering sports than female to male athletes.” The notable entries are highlights, not exhaustive indices. Would you like to try again, or take the smarter and simpler path of just acknowledge that I had a valid criticism of your point? Those are your options. 14 minutes ago, Curious layman said: You need to get of your high horse What if my horse truly is larger than yours and I enjoy riding it?
Curious layman Posted March 6, 2021 Author Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, zapatos said: If you don't want us to assume you and another have an anti-trans agenda then stop saying things that sound like you do have an agenda. Where have i made anti trans statements? You need to stop pulling assumptions out your ass, they stink. 11 minutes ago, iNow said: Your link doesn’t support your claim Yes it does. 1 hour ago, Curious layman said: I could be wrong, but their seems to be a lot more male to female athletes entering sports than female to male athletes. My link doesn't support your accusations and assumptions. as for the down votes...yawn, you sad bastard. Edited March 6, 2021 by Curious layman 1
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, zapatos said: You promised to answer my question. I did. If a person's gender is dependent upon their belief then the basis for my own gender identity may not be the same as theirs, so your attempt to suss out a "simple and scientific" basis for my own identity is a waste of time as it would not necessarily concede a rejection of a more complicated basis for anyone else's identity if the basis truly is arbitrary. See how confusing things become when we let people define words however they'd like? 2
zapatos Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Curious layman said: You need to stop pulling assumptions out your ass, they stink. Stop assuming I'm talking about you. 3 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: I did. If a person's gender is dependent upon their belief then the basis for my own gender identity may not be the same as theirs, so your attempt to suss out a "simple and scientific" basis for my own identity is a waste of time as it would not necessarily concede a rejection of a more complicated basis for anyone else's identity if the basis truly is arbitrary. See how confusing things become when we let people define words however they'd like? You're dodging my question and answering one I didn't ask so you can pontificate. Don't waste my time. If you just want to preach then say so. -1
VenusPrincess Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, zapatos said: You're dodging my question and answering one I didn't ask so you can pontificate. Don't waste my time. If you just want to preach then say so. If I answer your question you'll use the basis for my gender identity to claim that I don't believe any other basis is valid. So I won't answer. Is there any other point to your question than to trap me? I have zero faith in your ability to be intellectually honest so I won't even give you that ammunition. -1
iNow Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, Curious layman said: Yes it does. And even if I stipulate this point that your wiki link about this sub population of notable transgendered athletes makes it SEEM like there are more male to female transgendered athletes entering sports than female to male transgendered athletes entering sports, we’re still left with the question of relevance. In what way are you suggesting this assertion is relevant? Is it possible for you to answer in a manner that doesn’t rely on preexisting misogynistic assumptions and gender biases? I don’t believe you can. I’m ready to be proven wrong, but doubt your ability to demonstrate that I am. 2 minutes ago, VenusPrincess said: I won't answer. In fairness, by posting this, you already have.
Curious layman Posted March 6, 2021 Author Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, iNow said: preexisting misogynistic assumptions and gender biases? Try reading the 100m sprint times that were posted. 33 minutes ago, iNow said: In what way are you suggesting this assertion is relevant? I never made an assertion and never said it was relevant. If it was wrong, then fine, I'm happy to be educated. But what I'm not fine with, is being accused of being misogynistic. the point of his thread was/is about the future of sport regarding transgenders. My concerns about the safety or fairness isn't my way of saying including them is wrong, i just think sport will need to change in the near future and was interested in how or what that might be. If you can only interpret my questions or my (admittedly) shitty knowledge on the subject as having an hidden agenda then that's too bad. I was hoping to learn something interesting*, not defend myself against unfair accusations. peace. edit: * which I have. Edited March 6, 2021 by Curious layman
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