Cosmic Microwave Background disprove 'Big Bang'

[george909]

the prevailing theory among cosmologists is that the observable universe began from a point of singularity and this singularity rapidly expanded in all directions to the present universe we see today. We are, to use the anology, in a balloon expanding outwards in all directions. We have detected the Microwave Background Radiation in equal distance in all points of directions. This observation proves one of three things, that our solar system is the very center of the universe (and therefore the point of origin) or the instruments are inaccurate, or astronomers are not interpreting the data correctly.

Astrophysicists state that before the big bang, there was no vacuum of space nor time as we understand them, but that space came into existence as time passed after the big bang. This 'expansion, obviously, was three-dimensional, that is, it expanded in all directions in the  spherical, not linear, so we should be able to see differences in distances of the CMB. We should, in fact, see specific regions devoid of the CMB, regions where CMBs are closer to us than other regions. Such data would support the Big Bang theory but as it is, it proves noting except the foolishness of man's perception of the world and the universe he inhabits. 

[beecee]

11 minutes ago, george909 said:

the prevailing theory among cosmologists is that the observable universe began from a point of singularity and this singularity rapidly expanded in all directions to the present universe we see today. We are, to use the anology, in a balloon expanding outwards in all directions. We have detected the Microwave Background Radiation in equal distance in all points of directions. This observation proves one of three things, that our solar system is the very center of the universe (and therefore the point of origin) or the instruments are inaccurate, or astronomers are not interpreting the data correctly.

Astrophysicists state that before the big bang, there was no vacuum of space nor time as we understand them, but that space came into existence as time passed after the big bang. This 'expansion, obviously, was three-dimensional, that is, it expanded in all directions in the  spherical, not linear, so we should be able to see differences in distances of the CMB. We should, in fact, see specific regions devoid of the CMB, regions where CMBs are closer to us than other regions. Such data would support the Big Bang theory but as it is, it proves noting except the foolishness of man's perception of the world and the universe he inhabits. 

The BB is the theory of the evolution of the universe/space/time (as we know them)  from t+10-45 seconds. All of space and time, (as we know them) was packed to within the volume of an atomic nucleus, so as a result, the expansion occurs everywhere, with no hint of any center, as the blowing up a balloon analogy typifies. 

The CMBR at 2.7K is a generally uniformed temperature through all of space.       The various tiny variations in that temperature, are the seeds for galactic formation.

We are certainly the center of our observable universe, the same as my cousin in M31 is the center of his observable universe. 

The BB while certainly still having some problems, aligns with the four main pillars of cosmology. [1] Observed expansion mentally reversed, [2]  Generally Uniformed CMBR, [3] abundance of lighter elements, and [4] galactic formation.

You see the biggest part of your post/thread that has me wondering and full of doubt, is that as per many many others that somehow believe they have discovered/fabricated a new model of the universe and how it came to be, you fail to post in the correct thread. Why is that?

Edited March 29, 2021 by beecee

[zapatos]

1 hour ago, george909 said:

the prevailing theory among cosmologists is that the observable universe began from a point of singularity and this singularity rapidly expanded in all directions to the present universe we see today. We are, to use the anology, in a balloon expanding outwards in all directions. We have detected the Microwave Background Radiation in equal distance in all points of directions. This observation proves one of three things, that our solar system is the very center of the universe (and therefore the point of origin) or the instruments are inaccurate, or astronomers are not interpreting the data correctly.

Astrophysicists state that before the big bang, there was no vacuum of space nor time as we understand them, but that space came into existence as time passed after the big bang. This 'expansion, obviously, was three-dimensional, that is, it expanded in all directions in the  spherical, not linear, so we should be able to see differences in distances of the CMB. We should, in fact, see specific regions devoid of the CMB, regions where CMBs are closer to us than other regions. Such data would support the Big Bang theory but as it is, it proves noting except the foolishness of man's perception of the world and the universe he inhabits. 

If you are going to tell us what cosmologists and astrophysicists say and think, it is important that you first KNOW what they say and think. 

Either provide citations for your far-fetched assertions, or ask for help in understanding what the prevailing theories really are.

[george909]

BEECEE, If there is  a beginning, then it follows that there is a position somewhere after that point of origin. BB is a point or begining of the universe, we should be able to find our place in the observable universe that is relative to the point of singulatit. That is not a breakthrough in science or a new cosmological concept, that is just simple geometry and math. Your cousin in M31 is no more in the 'center' of the observable universe than you are, it is just a misinterpretation of the data or stupidity.

[zapatos]

17 minutes ago, george909 said:

 it is just a misinterpretation of the data or stupidity.

Do you really want to start your tenure here by suggesting the membership may be stupid?

[MigL]

4 hours ago, george909 said:

We are, to use the anology, in a balloon expanding outwards in all directions.

You are confused.
The analogy to the universe expanding is NOT the balloon expanding, but the surface of the balloon expanding.
Small difference but huge implications, which render all your other points about the CMB, moot.

[beecee]

6 hours ago, george909 said:

BEECEE, If there is  a beginning, then it follows that there is a position somewhere after that point of origin. BB is a point or begining of the universe, we should be able to find our place in the observable universe that is relative to the point of singulatit.

The BB is not about the beginning of the universe/space/time. Please read my post again...

Let me help you further...the BB is the overwhelmingly, evidenced based theory, on the evolution of the universe/space/time [as we know them} from t+10-45 seconds. 

 

6 hours ago, george909 said:

 That is not a breakthrough in science or a new cosmological concept, that is just simple geometry and math. Your cousin in M31 is no more in the 'center' of the observable universe than you are, it is just a misinterpretation of the data or stupidity.

You speak obviously from a position of ignorance. Not only is my cousin in M31 the center of his observable universe, but  we, you and I are at the center of our observable universe, just as any ET anywhere is the center of his observable universe.

The following is around 20 years old, but is till fairly accurate today. Perhaps you can learn something from it....https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/centre.html

and his another to help hopefully....

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by beecee

[storyteller]

On 3/30/2021 at 10:44 AM, george909 said:

the prevailing theory among cosmologists is that the observable universe began from a point of singularity and this singularity rapidly expanded in all directions to the present universe we see today. We are, to use the anology, in a balloon expanding outwards in all directions. We have detected the Microwave Background Radiation in equal distance in all points of directions. This observation proves one of three things, that our solar system is the very center of the universe (and therefore the point of origin) or the instruments are inaccurate, or astronomers are not interpreting the data correctly.

Astrophysicists state that before the big bang, there was no vacuum of space nor time as we understand them, but that space came into existence as time passed after the big bang. This 'expansion, obviously, was three-dimensional, that is, it expanded in all directions in the  spherical, not linear, so we should be able to see differences in distances of the CMB. We should, in fact, see specific regions devoid of the CMB, regions where CMBs are closer to us than other regions. Such data would support the Big Bang theory but as it is, it proves noting except the foolishness of man's perception of the world and the universe he inhabits. 

 

My reply below, is focused on what I have quoted in bold:

No, not just the Solar System, everything else in the universe that we observed today were part of the singularity, so when the inflation began, everything else in the universe expanded with it.

And there are no centre of the universe. Our Solar System, our Earth, is just one tiniest of point of the universe that we observe the rest of the universe from.

The universe’s space/matters before the Recombination Epoch were completely in plasma state (because electrons won’t bond with atoms’ nuclei), and the universe was completely opaque, TO the Recombination Epoch, where the binding of electrons to the elements’ nuclei, forming atoms in electrical neutral and stable atoms, resulted in the universe being transparent, and photons that decoupled from matters, were free to travel through the universe, that photon decoupling result what we observed as Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.

CMBR images that we get from NASA and ESA, is like the earliest snapshot of the universe that we are able to observe. Before the Recombination Epoch, the younger universe cannot be observed because the universe before the Recombination is opaque, acting like event horizon of black hole.

we currently don’t have the technology to observe beyond the CMBR, beyond the Recombination Epoch.

[beecee]

2 hours ago, storyteller said:

And there are no centre of the universe. Our Solar System, our Earth, is just one tiniest of point of the universe that we observe the rest of the universe from.

I'm pretty sure our friend has not yet worked out the difference between the absence of a centre of the universe, to the factual centre of our observable universe, of both me and my cousin in M31.😉

[swansont]

10 hours ago, storyteller said:

CMBR images that we get from NASA and ESA, is like the earliest snapshot of the universe that we are able to observe. Before the Recombination Epoch, the younger universe cannot be observed because the universe before the Recombination is opaque, acting like event horizon of black hole.

Not observable with photons. The Cosmic Neutrino Background would take us back to about one second, but neutrino detection is much, much harder than light detection.