iNow Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 2:38 AM, BV63 said: Is it not obvious that this mass vaxx will lead to disaster? Expand The only thing obvious here is that you’re quite content making absurd easily disproven claims without having any clue WTF you’re talking about. Well, that and the fact that the mods are entirely too lenient sometimes. 1
BV63 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/14/2022 at 3:29 AM, iNow said: The only thing obvious here is that you’re quite content making absurd easily disproven claims without having any clue WTF you’re talking about. Well, that and the fact that the mods are entirely too lenient sometimes. Expand Then prove why the risk that the virus will mutate to a more dangerous variant for the vaxxed is low. You simply have no idea. Why would such a variant not be possible and become competitive? If you can not explain why such a variant is not possible why should we inject the whole world with this vaxx when most people are naturally protected? Are you insane? Again: "The goal, they say, should be "to reduce infection of and transmission from vaccinated individuals," and to "reduce the possibility of variant selection in vaccinated individuals." "They write that some variants that have emerged over the past few months "show a reduced susceptibility to vaccine-acquired immunity, though none appears to escape entirely." But they caution that these variants emerged "before vaccination was widespread," and that "as vaccines become more widespread, the transmission advantage gained by a virus that can evade vaccine-acquired immunity will increase." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/uk-scientists-covid-variant-beat-vaccines-intl/index.html Edited June 14, 2022 by BV63
iNow Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 I see no need to support claims I haven’t made. Also, proofs are for math. On 6/14/2022 at 3:36 AM, BV63 said: Are you insane? Expand Perhaps, but that doesn’t negate anything I’ve posted in response to your silliness.
BV63 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/14/2022 at 3:58 AM, iNow said: I see no need to support claims I haven’t made. Also, proofs are for math. Perhaps, but that doesn’t negate anything I’ve posted in response to your silliness. Expand Ok 🙂 Keep injecting and hope to win the race against billions of years of evolutionary power. Seems very risky. Edited June 14, 2022 by BV63
iNow Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) You seem to be forgetting that all those years of evolutionary power you seem to idolize also involved our species learning how to administer medicine and battle back against nature using more than burnt pachouli and prayer. You won’t take the shot to prevent or minimize virus generated sickness, but I bet you’ll sure let doctors treat you at the hospital when you get way sicker and can’t breathe due to a misguided refusal to do so. Moron. Edited June 14, 2022 by iNow 1
BV63 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 4:23 AM, iNow said: You seem to be forgetting that all those years of evolutionary power you seem to idolize also involved our species learning how to administer medicine and battle back against nature using more than burnt pachouli and prayer. You won’t take the shot to prevent or minimize virus generated sickness, but I bet you’ll sure let doctors treat you at the hospital when you get way sicker and can’t breathe due to a misguided refusal to do so. Moron. Expand All medical drugs must be good? Side effects are just a conspiracy theory?
iNow Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/14/2022 at 4:29 AM, BV63 said: All medical drugs must be good? Expand Lol. Have you received a medical diagnosis that might explain these reading comprehension issues? Does your mom disallow you from using sharp objects or make you wear a helmet to the supermarket? On 6/14/2022 at 4:29 AM, BV63 said: Side effects are just a conspiracy theory? Expand The ones you’re talking about? Yes, exactly right. Thanks for confirming you really aren’t a completely clueless paste eater. Edited June 14, 2022 by iNow
BV63 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/14/2022 at 4:35 AM, iNow said: Lol. Have you received a medical diagnosis that might explain these reading comprehension issues? Does your mom disallow you from using sharp objects or make you wear a helmet to the supermarket? Expand But you seem to believe that scientists can not make misstakes. Edited June 14, 2022 by BV63 -1
iNow Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 4:37 AM, BV63 said: But you seem to believe that scientists can not make misstakes. Expand Helmets at the grocer and no sharp objects / paste for dinner it is, then.
BV63 Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) And a year later. "COVID reinfections set to spike in U.S. as new variants evade immunity" Edited June 14, 2022 by BV63
StringJunky Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/14/2022 at 4:40 AM, BV63 said: And a year later. "COVID reinfections set to spike in U.S. as new variants evade immunity" Expand Because of the morons that don't get vaccinated. Where is the virus going to mutate to learn to bypass the protection of people already immune to existing virus strains? People like you. People like you are the problem. Edited June 14, 2022 by StringJunky clarity 1
exchemist Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/14/2022 at 3:36 AM, BV63 said: Then prove why the risk that the virus will mutate to a more dangerous variant for the vaxxed is low. You simply have no idea. Why would such a variant not be possible and become competitive? If you can not explain why such a variant is not possible why should we inject the whole world with this vaxx when most people are naturally protected? Are you insane? Again: "The goal, they say, should be "to reduce infection of and transmission from vaccinated individuals," and to "reduce the possibility of variant selection in vaccinated individuals." "They write that some variants that have emerged over the past few months "show a reduced susceptibility to vaccine-acquired immunity, though none appears to escape entirely." But they caution that these variants emerged "before vaccination was widespread," and that "as vaccines become more widespread, the transmission advantage gained by a virus that can evade vaccine-acquired immunity will increase." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/uk-scientists-covid-variant-beat-vaccines-intl/index.html Expand All this from someone who by his own admission doesn’t understand the science, and is only asking questions? On 6/14/2022 at 2:38 AM, BV63 said: Just want to help. Is it not obvious that this mass vaxx will lead to disaster? Like giving everyone on the planet antibiotics at the same time although 99% have a natural protection. Viruses mutate and the protection from the shots is very narrow. "The goal, they say, should be "to reduce infection of and transmission from vaccinated individuals," and to "reduce the possibility of variant selection in vaccinated individuals." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/uk-scientists-covid-variant-beat-vaccines-intl/index.html "The approved COVID-19 vaccines, on the other hand, all target a single protein — and two of them only a short stretch of that protein. If mutations change the shape of that protein, it could easily make our vaccines less effective. Studies of this question are still underway, but the initial evidence is worrying. At least some of our vaccines seem to be somewhat less effective against some coronavirus strains now in circulation. Focusing on a single protein contributed to the record-breaking pace of COVID-19 vaccine development. But it also produced narrowly focused vaccines that could falter in the face of viral variation." https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evo-news/viruses-variation-and-vaccines/ Expand Eventually , perhaps, needing to modify the vaccine does not constitute “disaster”, you halfwit. It’s what we do every year for ‘flu’ vaccines, so completely standard practice. Edited June 14, 2022 by exchemist
Phi for All Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 4:29 AM, BV63 said: All medical drugs must be good? Side effects are just a conspiracy theory? Expand On 6/14/2022 at 4:37 AM, BV63 said: But you seem to believe that scientists can not make misstakes. Expand These are strawmen arguments, since nobody claimed any of this, and instead gave you detailed information to correct you. Fallacies, bad faith, misinformation, outright lying. It seems like a waste of time to read what you write, and none of it is worth discussing, other than to show others the garbage the anti-vaxxers use as "reason", and how they ignore answers given to them in good faith and just keep asking the same questions.
swansont Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 3:36 AM, BV63 said: Then prove why the risk that the virus will mutate to a more dangerous variant for the vaxxed is low. You simply have no idea. Expand On 6/14/2022 at 4:29 AM, BV63 said: All medical drugs must be good? Side effects are just a conspiracy theory? Expand On 6/14/2022 at 4:37 AM, BV63 said: But you seem to believe that scientists can not make misstakes. Expand ! Moderator Note Strawmen. You are clearly not arguing in good faith.
BV63 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 6:02 AM, StringJunky said: Because of the morons that don't get vaccinated. Where is the virus going to mutate to learn to bypass the protection of people already immune to existing virus strains? People like you. People like you are the problem. Expand No. The virus is still there mutating in the vaxxed. That is the difference between a real vaxx and this one. So it´s pretty much guaranteed resistant and more dangerous variants become competitive. It´s the same principle as with antibiotics. Using to much can be dangerous if it does not wipe out the bacteria.
exchemist Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/16/2022 at 6:39 AM, BV63 said: No. The virus is still there mutating in the vaxxed. That is the difference between a real vaxx and this one. So it´s pretty much guaranteed resistant and more dangerous variants become competitive. Expand But far less in the vaccinated, as levels of virus in an infected person who has been vaccinated are much lower (that’s why they don’t get so ill, you see) and the duration of infection is far shorter. So vaccination greatly reduces the opportunities for the virus to mutate. Edited June 16, 2022 by exchemist 1
BV63 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 6:44 AM, exchemist said: But far less in the vaccinated, as levels of virus in an infected person who been vaccinated are much lower (that’s why they don’t get so ill, you see) and the duration of infection is far shorter. So vaccination greatly reduces the opportunities for the virus to mutate. Expand No because of immune imprinting the vaxxed get infected again and again. "Conclusion We report high incidence of omicron infections despite recent booster vaccination in triple vaccinated individuals. Vaccine-induced antibody titres seem to play a limited role in risk of omicron infection. High viral load and secretion of live virus for up to nine days may increase transmission in a triple vaccinated population." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.02.22273333v1.full
Sensei Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 4:29 AM, BV63 said: All medical drugs must be good? Expand The difference between a drug and a poison is the dosage... On 6/14/2022 at 4:29 AM, BV63 said: Side effects are just a conspiracy theory? Expand Known side effects are written on the drug sheet..
BV63 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 8:18 AM, Sensei said: The difference between a drug and a poison is the dosage... Known side effects are written on the drug sheet.. Expand Pfizer forgot to write that the fake vaxx can wipe out humanity in case to many take the shots. -3
exchemist Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/16/2022 at 6:45 AM, BV63 said: No because of immune imprinting the vaxxed get infected again and again. "Conclusion We report high incidence of omicron infections despite recent booster vaccination in triple vaccinated individuals. Vaccine-induced antibody titres seem to play a limited role in risk of omicron infection. High viral load and secretion of live virus for up to nine days may increase transmission in a triple vaccinated population." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.02.22273333v1.full Expand You are by your own admission no scientist, yet, quick as a flash, you present one cherry-picked study, out of thousands, that has not been peer-reviewed. How very mysterious. Goddess Kali again, perhaps?😆 But seriously, in this thread you were shown a peer-reviewed study, reported in Nature, showing that infection with Omicron following vaccination confers broad protection against a wide range of variants, while simple infection by Omicron of unvaccinated individuals did not. Here’s the link again: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04865-0 On 6/16/2022 at 9:56 AM, BV63 said: Pfizer forgot to write that the fake vaxx can wipe out humanity in case to many take the shots. Expand What hysterical balls. Edited June 16, 2022 by exchemist
Sensei Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 9:56 AM, BV63 said: Pfizer forgot to write that the fake vaxx can wipe out humanity in case to many take the shots. Expand Wow! Biggest nonsense I've read in months.... !
BV63 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/16/2022 at 9:59 AM, Sensei said: Wow! Biggest nonsense I've read in months.... ! Expand No. Variants are already becoming resistant and vaxxed have less natural immunity. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.02.22273333v1.full Edited June 16, 2022 by BV63 -1
Sensei Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/16/2022 at 10:05 AM, BV63 said: No. Variants are already becoming resistant and vaxxed have less natural immunity. Expand ..natural immunity against unknown strain of virus, which never ever attacked human.. Start writing meaningful posts or you won't last long on this forum... Edited June 16, 2022 by Sensei 1
BV63 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) https://news.yahoo.com/covid-vaccines-cant-keep-omicron-145138040.html COVID vaccines can't keep up with new Omicron subvariants New subvariants of the Omicron strain of the COVID-19 virus "appear to be even more immune-resistant than the original," Axios reported Wednesday. The original Omicron strain was known as BA.1, but that's old hat by now. All the cool kids are getting BA.4, or even BA.5. Unfortunately, while the virus has moved on, vaccine makers are stuck in the past. Per Axios, "[c]linical trials are underway to study tweaked versions of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines" designed to tackle O.G. Omicron, but by the time they're ready — this fall at the earliest — it might be too late. On 6/16/2022 at 10:17 AM, Sensei said: ..natural immunity against unknown strain of virus, which never ever attacked human.. Start writing meaningful posts or you won't last long on this forum... Expand You think i am here for fun you complete idiot? Edited June 16, 2022 by BV63 -2
swansont Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 10:19 AM, BV63 said: https://news.yahoo.com/covid-vaccines-cant-keep-omicron-145138040.html COVID vaccines can't keep up with new Omicron subvariants New subvariants of the Omicron strain of the COVID-19 virus "appear to be even more immune-resistant than the original," Axios reported Wednesday. The original Omicron strain was known as BA.1, but that's old hat by now. All the cool kids are getting BA.4, or even BA.5. Unfortunately, while the virus has moved on, vaccine makers are stuck in the past. Per Axios, "[c]linical trials are underway to study tweaked versions of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines" designed to tackle O.G. Omicron, but by the time they're ready — this fall at the earliest — it might be too late. Expand Your thesis, as I understand it, is that the vaccines are causing this problem - that the virus would not be mutating if there was no vaccine. Pointing out that the virus is mutating, which is an expected occurrence, is neutral with respect to your thesis. Not having a vaccine - which, AFAIK is more of a regulatory hurdle than a scientific one - merely puts us back in the same boat as we were before. But not as worse, because more people are alive and fewer are dealing with the long-term effects of the virus, as compared to having no vaccine at all. So the question is, are you going to provide evidence to support this notion you've advanced, or are you just going to insult people who call you on your crappy argument? (I can assure you, the latter will not fly)
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