The UK as an American State or States

[Endy0816]

Remark of UK becoming a US State has come up way too often elsewhere and made me want to sit down and figure out the scenarios for a British State or States in the US. Numbers are only rough figures based on public data and tools, but feel they are reasonably representative.

 

Republic and Territory

The Monarchy Abdicates or is Abolished

• Republic of Britain is briefly created

Republic requests annexation by the United States

Annexation bill passes

• North East Territory is created.
• Assumed: North Ireland chooses to remain a territory or chooses to separate

Statehood

Scenario A - Upon successful application, Britain is admitted into the Union as a single State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 76

Notes: The State of Britain is the largest State in the Union. While representation for lower population states remains largely unchanged, almost all other States have lost Representatives.

 

Scenario B - Each former country is admitted as a State simultaneously but independent of one another

The State of England

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 65

The State of Scotland

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 6

The State of Wales

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 4

Notes: Very similar situation to Britain joining as a single State, however new States have (counted together) additional seats in the Senate.

 

Scenario C - One is admitted, others retain Territory Status or depart

The State of England

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 67

Notes: Very similar situation to Britain joining as a single State.

OR

The State of Scotland

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 8

Notes: Some higher population states lose Representatives, but little change overall.

OR

The State of Wales

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 4

Notes: Few states have lost Representatives, minimal change.

 

Scenario D - Admission as three regions of roughly equal population

Red State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 24

Blue State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 24

Green State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 24

Notes:  Similar widespread losses however California and Texas retain top spots. New States have gained additional Senators in total again.

 

 

References:

https://apportionment.app/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_population

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/92ej3q/great_britain_split_in_to_3_areas_of_equal/

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by Endy0816

[swansont]

7 minutes ago, Endy0816 said:

Remark of UK becoming a US State has come up way too often elsewhere

Really? Where?

[StringJunky]

Seen no news or suggestion of it here in the UK news sites or gossip.

[Endy0816]

6 minutes ago, swansont said:

Really? Where?

Reddit, UK news media comments. Can only hope it is only an expression. Way too awkward come the 4th. Mainly just curious/annoyed enough that I wanted to look at what it would plausibly result in.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Endy0816

[StringJunky]

1 minute ago, Endy0816 said:

Reddit, UK news media comments. Can only hope it is only an expression. Mainly just curious/annoyed enough that I wanted to look at what it would plausibly result in.

I don't think it would become reality. We want to be friends with you, not sleep with you. :D

 

 

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, StringJunky said:

We want to be friends with you, not sleep with you. :D

Oh sure, you say that now, you gorgeous bastard! Then we let you move in, you force us to clean chicken without bleach, make us give up our cookies for biscuits, and before you know it we're all sleeping together on the wrong side of the road!

OTOH, if we get British television series standards, I vote LEAVE. It's the rare US show I like, while it's rare for me to find a British show I don't like. You seem to look for actors who can act rather than actors with no physical flaws, and your writers write the way people talk. 

[StringJunky]

 

[joigus]

The Picts wouldn't wear it!

[TheVat]

Confucius era had wristwatches.  I learn so much here.  🙂

Against all temptations to align with other nations, please remain British.   There are some things you do better, and I'd hate to see that get watered down.  The driving on the left side of the road, however, is terrifying.  When I was over there, I had nightmares about being asked to drive, which mercifully never became reality.  Your transit systems put ours to shame. 

 

[Peterkin]

They'd only leave again, like they did Europe.

[Phi for All]

The language barrier may be too difficult to overcome.

We acknowledge you've been speaking English a bit longer that we have, and that some pronunciations are actually favorable. Checking my "shed-jill" is far more posh than my "sked-jool" or "sked-joo-ul". "Boot" is mildly more fun to say than "trunk", and you win big with "lift" over the cumbersome "elevator" (I guess the four syllables gives us something to pass the time while waiting for our floor).

You're going to have to change the way you say "vitamin" though. It's vital, right, so it should be "vyte-a-min". Same with "privacy". With a long I, it sounds like you're serious about being left alone to do something important, maybe clandestine. With a short I, it sounds like you don't want anyone to watch you tinkle. Definitely a deal-breaker.

[CharonY]

3 hours ago, StringJunky said:

I don't think it would become reality. We want to be friends with you, not sleep with you. :D

 

 

Wouldn't that be an incestuous relationship, anyway?

[Endy0816]

1 hour ago, Peterkin said:

They'd only leave again, like they did Europe.

No Article 50 here.

 

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by Endy0816

[MigL]

The UK ???
Not a chance.
I give them 10 years before they're back with the EU; too many common interests and endeavors.

Although parts of the US, specifically the North-East and the whole West coast, have expressed interest in becoming Canadian provinces.

[Endy0816]

27 minutes ago, MigL said:

The UK ???
Not a chance.
I give them 10 years before they're back with the EU; too many common interests and endeavors.

Although parts of the US, specifically the North-East and the whole West coast, have expressed interest in becoming Canadian provinces.

You say that, but then we have UK whispering under the door something about joining our sweet US, Mexican, Canadian ménage à trois .

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by Endy0816

[Peterkin]

Sweet???

[TheVat]

Canadians have a coin with a loon on it.   I don't see how we can trust them.   

[beecee]

Meanwhile, back to normality....................... 

[Sensei]

3 hours ago, swansont said:

 

5 hours ago, Endy0816 said:

Remark of UK becoming a US State has come up way too often elsewhere

Really? Where?

1) "Parallel Universe"..

2) Or:

ps. Haven't you seen the TV series where the nazis win WWII and the US is divided between Japan and Nazi Germany? Tom Swanson would be leader of guerrillas.. ? (I will see ("observe") this Parallel Universe and I'll tell you what you did there...)

[Intoscience]

12 hours ago, Phi for All said:

The language barrier may be too difficult to overcome.

We acknowledge you've been speaking English a bit longer that we have, and that some pronunciations are actually favorable. Checking my "shed-jill" is far more posh than my "sked-jool" or "sked-joo-ul". "Boot" is mildly more fun to say than "trunk", and you win big with "lift" over the cumbersome "elevator" (I guess the four syllables gives us something to pass the time while waiting for our floor).

You're going to have to change the way you say "vitamin" though. It's vital, right, so it should be "vyte-a-min". Same with "privacy". With a long I, it sounds like you're serious about being left alone to do something important, maybe clandestine. With a short I, it sounds like you don't want anyone to watch you tinkle. Definitely a deal-breaker.

It gets worse, we pronounce many words dependent on the region, often have unrecognizable slang unique to each region. In some areas you can travel just a few miles either way into different towns to find the dialect very different. Some areas drop the pronunciation of letters from some words and others even drop words from sentences. Then there is the Northern English, the Midlands and the South where there can be many differences with lots of words, sentences and sometimes meaning. All this within an area of around 50,000 sq miles. 

In the region I live there is a unique slang that is used which is almost its own language. It is however slowly being filtered out as the older generation pass, the younger generation are not using it as profoundly or as often. I remember working with a local elderly fella who was born and lived his entire life in the city centre. He used the traditional regional slang to its full entirety for every conversation, anyone outside the region would not be able to understand a word he was saying, even me myself as a local would have to listen closely and try to discern some of the words he used.  I did do some research on the origination of the slang and it turned out that it was a derivative of a language style used by Anglo Saxons.  

[exchemist]

17 hours ago, Endy0816 said:

Remark of UK becoming a US State has come up way too often elsewhere and made me want to sit down and figure out the scenarios for a British State or States in the US. Numbers are only rough figures based on public data and tools, but feel they are reasonably representative.

 

Republic and Territory

The Monarchy Abdicates or is Abolished

• Republic of Britain is briefly created

Republic requests annexation by the United States

Annexation bill passes

• North East Territory is created.
• Assumed: North Ireland chooses to remain a territory or chooses to separate

Statehood

Scenario A - Upon successful application, Britain is admitted into the Union as a single State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 76

Notes: The State of Britain is the largest State in the Union. While representation for lower population states remains largely unchanged, almost all other States have lost Representatives.

 

Scenario B - Each former country is admitted as a State simultaneously but independent of one another

The State of England

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 65

The State of Scotland

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 6

The State of Wales

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 4

Notes: Very similar situation to Britain joining as a single State, however new States have (counted together) additional seats in the Senate.

 

Scenario C - One is admitted, others retain Territory Status or depart

The State of England

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 67

Notes: Very similar situation to Britain joining as a single State.

OR

The State of Scotland

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 8

Notes: Some higher population states lose Representatives, but little change overall.

OR

The State of Wales

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 4

Notes: Few states have lost Representatives, minimal change.

 

Scenario D - Admission as three regions of roughly equal population

Red State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 24

Blue State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 24

Green State

• Senators: 2
• Representatives: 24

Notes:  Similar widespread losses however California and Texas retain top spots. New States have gained additional Senators in total again.

 

 

References:

https://apportionment.app/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_population

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/92ej3q/great_britain_split_in_to_3_areas_of_equal/

 

Put the bong down.

[MigL]

Why does everyone assume one side or the other would have to give up their culture, customs and laws, in a union of the two countries ?
Have any of you ever crossed the Ontario/Quebec border, in the country of Canada ?
It's like instantly being on the other side of the world.

I would say that even some current American States differ more in some respects than the UK would.

[Peterkin]

25 minutes ago, MigL said:

I would say that even some current American States differ more in some respects than the UK would.

Also in population and area.

There is no reason to repartition a country that's already made up of three countries...

one of which would rather be in the European Union anyway, as would London.  Quite a different map!

And, btw, where is Ireland? Have they got to row around to the other side? At least Gibraltar is already home.

[studiot]

57 minutes ago, Peterkin said:

There is no reason to repartition a country that's already made up of three countries...

three   4  countries...     

[Endy0816]

1 hour ago, Peterkin said:

Also in population and area.

There is no reason to repartition a country that's already made up of three countries...

one of which would rather be in the European Union anyway, as would London.  Quite a different map!

And, btw, where is Ireland? Have they got to row around to the other side? At least Gibraltar is already home.

Due to how Representatives are apportioned based on population, repartition scenario would merely be most agreeable(to existing States) in any scenario involving England.

Practically speaking London or Scotland departing wouldn't change numbers too much. More probable I agree though.

North Ireland is assumed to have chosen to leave or kept Territory status. ie. Simplifies the analysis and I did't have a tri-split map with NI included.

 

 

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Edited September 24, 2021 by Endy0816