Hey you, yes you! Do you have Bad Science Forum social credit?

[Ferrummageticium]

Hi Im ____________________, you may have seen me in many versions of "Ill help you" get your life on track media applications across the decades dipping into the early 18th century.....you thought II was dead! well, Im back from the great void and simmering ether with a deal better than birth itself!

Tired of seeing all those nasty red social slap down points for not being an original  member or just plain not being in the inside double standard powers that be forum social  elitist group? Feeling like an outsider looking in? are you naked and crying in a ripped bean bag chair from the 1990s eating not even a major food brand bag of chips trying to smoother the pain of not having a 300-1000+ green whole number social score on scienceforum.net? no, oh that probably didnt fit most of our ideal target audience, darn survey shenanigans is what i blame.....

no matter, today is your luckiest of days, for a finite amount of time social F.I.T.S. which is a no where near a patented program that was just made right here and stands for Forgetting (or  F*%^ ) intimidating thread stigmas, is here to help YOU , yes YOU !

sounds limitless you say........ but how does it work you ask?

well Im glad you inquired......let me lay out this ugly bag of snakes for you and straighten it all out so even the wee lil ones can nod yes.

for as long as this thread doesnt enrage the powers that be ( and it probably already has) and end up in the "we dont like what you posted graveyard" ill be giving all of you red flagged poor unfortunate souls plus 1s and a text of inspiring words of comfort! WHAT IS HE CRAZY?!!!

you heard it right, I dont even know you , but Im going to give you the benefit of doubt like youve never had from your very own mother!

just post and show your negative social credit score and Ill give you a +1 .  FOR FREE! and if you feel slighted so bad as to give others that post here in this thread plus ones WELL C'est La Vie!

"SURE WHAT EVER YOU SAY PAL" is what your saying? and whats the catch?

ok you got me, i happen to want to see how many negative reputation remarks can be amassed to me the point of hilarity! to bring a little levity to here of the expense of the emotionally stifled "i think im better than all"  so and so's. so give me as many negative marks as you can!!!!!!!!! seriously !!!!!!

and surely they will be here with their self endowed massive green marks of glory to put down our effort!(  most of them, not all of them are bad honestly, but those of double standards know who they are) with mouse clickers ready to take away your newly gotten green upclick. ( or worse)

just ignore them, theyre not like you and havent the understanding you and i do. embrace your gift from  each other and feel unalone here in the new wild running running of social science personal character labeling ( no matter if a person is aware of it or not) . YOU ARE A PERSON OF WORTH! except if you arent , and well we can be honest, some people are just plain bad! you know who you are! but rehabilitation may be in your wheel of fortune ....so consider your possible new path to sunny vistas you of nasty temperament.

NOW LETS SEE THOSE social F.I.T.S. !

 

[exchemist]

2 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

Hi Im ____________________, you may have seen me in many versions of "Ill help you" get your life on track media applications across the decades dipping into the early 18th century.....you thought II was dead! well, Im back from the great void and simmering ether with a deal better than birth itself!

Tired of seeing all those nasty red social slap down points for not being an original  member or just plain not being in the inside double standard powers that be forum social  elitist group? Feeling like an outsider looking in? are you naked and crying in a ripped bean bag chair from the 1990s eating not even a major food brand bag of chips trying to smoother the pain of not having a 300-1000+ green whole number social score on scienceforum.net? no, oh that probably didnt fit most of our ideal target audience, darn survey shenanigans is what i blame.....

no matter, today is your luckiest of days, for a finite amount of time social F.I.T.S. which is a no where near a patented program that was just made right here and stands for Forgetting (or  F*%^ ) intimidating thread stigmas, is here to help YOU , yes YOU !

sounds limitless you say........ but how does it work you ask?

well Im glad you inquired......let me lay out this ugly bag of snakes for you and straighten it all out so even the wee lil ones can nod yes.

for as long as this thread doesnt enrage the powers that be ( and it probably already has) and end up in the "we dont like what you posted graveyard" ill be giving all of you red flagged poor unfortunate souls plus 1s and a text of inspiring words of comfort! WHAT IS HE CRAZY?!!!

you heard it right, I dont even know you , but Im going to give you the benefit of doubt like youve never had from your very own mother!

just post and show your negative social credit score and Ill give you a +1 .  FOR FREE! and if you feel slighted so bad as to give others that post here in this thread plus ones WELL C'est La Vie!

"SURE WHAT EVER YOU SAY PAL" is what your saying? and whats the catch?

ok you got me, i happen to want to see how many negative reputation remarks can be amassed to me the point of hilarity! to bring a little levity to here of the expense of the emotionally stifled "i think im better than all"  so and so's. so give me as many negative marks as you can!!!!!!!!! seriously !!!!!!

and surely they will be here with their self endowed massive green marks of glory to put down our effort!(  most of them, not all of them are bad honestly, but those of double standards know who they are) with mouse clickers ready to take away your newly gotten green upclick. ( or worse)

just ignore them, theyre not like you and havent the understanding you and i do. embrace your gift from  each other and feel unalone here in the new wild running running of social science personal character labeling ( no matter if a person is aware of it or not) . YOU ARE A PERSON OF WORTH! except if you arent , and well we can be honest, some people are just plain bad! you know who you are! but rehabilitation may be in your wheel of fortune ....so consider your possible new path to sunny vistas you of nasty temperament.

NOW LETS SEE THOSE social F.I.T.S. !

 

Get psychiatric help or take your meds. 

[Ferrummageticium]

40 minutes ago, exchemist said:

Get psychiatric help or take your meds. 

1. sticks and stones

2. are you presumptive and salty? 

3. assumptions make an ass out of you and me 

4. maybe you know from personal experience of being crazy?

5. sorry , im certifiably sane....sorry bud

6. alot of this is in fun, so lighten up yes?

 

you gave a very nice FIT as well, good job!

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Ferrummageticium

[Phi for All]

35 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

5. sorry , im certifiably sane....sorry bud

You may like this image, but we're a science discussion forum. We're more interested in talking about science, so the social aspect is centered around mainstream explanations and learning more science. Most of your posts are NOT focused on science, so they're annoying and extraneous. We invite you to sit around the table and talk about science, but you choose to jump on top of it and shout like this about anything but science. It's unproductive and meaningless, so your posts seem like they're contrary to our purpose.

Maybe you should try a site with more of a social emphasis, but I would warn you not to jump up on their tables either. Can you try to behave, or are you a person who revels in their rebel fantasies and won't give them up even when it makes sense?

[Ferrummageticium]

i was running a social science experiment PHI. i could not alert the test population....

1. sorry i am sane ( unless you or someone can prove beyond a doubt otherwise), that probably doesnt sit well with you , but i cant help that. 

2. by the way, you cant presume to know my angles can you?

3. I am a scientist . and read mostly here. 

4. im just having a little fun , please try to lighten up yes?

5. also notice where im posting this thread and ask yourself what is the purpose of a "general area" thread category please?

6. Im have fun, obviously you are. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Ferrummageticium

[TheVat]

I sometimes have a certain sympathy for table jumpers,  provided there is some method to the madness.   FWIW,  I am not wild about social reputation systems,  and posted on it in the feedback section a couple months ago.   The one used here at least seems to be used sometimes to thumb up well crafted thoughts rather than just a popularity rating,  though I have seen it abused,  too.   

If Ferrum's posts are all part of a social science experiment, I would say there might be methodology problems that need peer review.   If some have to hand out downvotes, I would rather see them for bad methodology in science than because someone was offended or doesn't personally approve of a gadfly.   I would have to review more of Ferrum's posts to see where he is going with all this... if anywhere. 

[Peterkin]

Can I give them a down vote for linguistic transgression? With competent editing, that rant might have been a quite good comic piece.

Edited October 23, 2021 by Peterkin
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[Phi for All]

40 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

4. im just having a little fun , please try to lighten up yes?

Coincidentally(?), this is the troll mantra, and what most every bully, stalker, and other extremists say when their behavior is questioned. 

I wonder how your experiment would have turned out if you'd actually discussed science on a science discussion forum, instead of posting what you have.

 

[Ferrummageticium]

i dont hate this site. its quite the contrary, i really and truly respect the vast amount of scientifically gifted minds  ( which is why i decided to join) here and I have huge ambitions of learning from every single specialist here on the sciences Im interested in and knowledge Im unaware of. my intentions are not to become the house troll here, even though ive lately changed my signature for playfulness and decided to run a short unpopular experiment on social responses.

i do have a playful nature to a fault and also challenge ideas and standards to see if they are in fact true values. i dont have issues with being wrong as you ll learn. im aware of my applications here being imperfect at least to some degree. but i also have some perspectives here about some issues i think may be spot on. 

Im not typically a habitual abrasive poster or responder to subject matter. it is just a fluke that these are my first foot forwards while learning my feet here. i think more data is needed before conclusions can be made. 

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

Coincidentally(?), this is the troll mantra, and what most every bully, stalker, and other extremists say when their behavior is questioned. 

i think this could be assumptive . you d need a larger population set of my posts and if you want to make that leap from less than 1 month of my posts while you are open to that your results may be false positives in the longer set for me.

 

im honestly only in this site to become a better learned scientist . i just happen to find some issues with how i think people respond to posts.  this is secondary to why im here. eventually ill bore of this trivial purpose and focus more on learning here.

this original thread post was  purely an experiment . 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Ferrummageticium
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[Phi for All]

5 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

i think this could be assumptive . 

It's not. I can pull up many posts from trolls and extremists that have posted over the years, and show you where they've used almost your exact same words. Many took longer than a month to use them.

[Ferrummageticium]

26 minutes ago, Peterkin said:

Can I give them a down vote for linguistic transgression? With competent editing, that rant might have been a quite good comic piece.

lol thats funny! i can accept that and would encourage it haha.

10 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

It's not. I can pull up many posts from trolls and extremists that have posted over the years, and show you where they've used almost your exact same words. Many took longer than a month to use them.

i can see in many other of your cases yes, but ill tell you a fact that you have an outlier here. dont believe me? run an experiment on my posts and see me wrong in 3-6 months total posts.  if the data proves you right, ill leave the site, if not then.....well i think the data would say enough.

 

im taking my son on a hike and will  check these later today

Edited October 23, 2021 by Ferrummageticium

[TheVat]

10 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

 

Im not typically a habitual abrasive poster or responder to subject matter. it is just a fluke that these are my first foot forwards while learning my feet here. i think more data is needed before conclusions can be made. 

 

If you are open to new ideas here, I will suggest there's a basic newbie rule everywhere on the web,  which is:  start out courteous and low-key,  then bring out the colorful and wild as you get to know people and understand how your comments will land.   Without all the information-rich channels of body language and facial expressions and vocal tones,  the limited signal path of a message board means there is more time needed establishing a friendly vibe,  humor,  genuine intent,  etc.   If you start out stepping on toes,  people may not charitably assume "it is just a fluke."  

I liked some of your writing,  like "naked and crying in a ripped bean bag chair from the 1990s," and don't forget punctuation and capital letters,  properly deployed,  helps readability and humorous impact.

[zapatos]

1 hour ago, Ferrummageticium said:

run an experiment on my posts and see me wrong in 3-6 months total posts.  if the data proves you right, ill leave the site,

You may not be around that long. I've seen a lot of people start out here like you are and most are kicked out long before 3 months. If you want to last that long you should consider curtailing your current posting style now.

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, Ferrummageticium said:

run an experiment on my posts and see me wrong in 3-6 months total posts.  if the data proves you right, ill leave the site, if not then.....well i think the data would say enough.

Or, OR, we could discuss science and drop the other drama. That would be fantastic! Objectively, I think most here can forgive a newbie for sitting down at a the table for a discussion and instead telling us how badly we do things here. 

I hope you can forgive some testiness in a time when internet trolls are attacking anything intellectual. And I'm sorry, but I don't buy your "experiment" explanation for a second, but I'm willing to see how productive a conversation about science will be now that you're done with it.

[beecee]

4 hours ago, Ferrummageticium said:

Hi Im ____________________,

Hey you, yes you! Do you have Bad Science Forum social credit?

You seem to have some psychological need for attention? 

[Ferrummageticium]

3 hours ago, zapatos said:

You may not be around that long. I've seen a lot of people start out here like you are and most are kicked out long before 3 months. If you want to last that long you should consider curtailing your current posting style now.

that will most likely be more negative for the sites reputation than mine. there are plenty of science forums. and ones where open discussion of ideas are not limited , those that are limited are not in the greatest favor imo. in any case, it wont cease my studies....also your post comes off as a threat i think, why that no one checked that is probably because of your social status here btw.

1 hour ago, beecee said:

You seem to have some psychological need for attention? 

do i? lol are you a machinist or in psychology? i am pretty sure i was trying for 90s era qvc shopping ads, but what do i know . if i did is that a bad thing? dont individuals need attention as a psychological component to life? i certainly dont know but maybe we do have some true psychology SME's in here. also this seems a thinly veiled way of saying in have emotional problems , again, unchecked by anyone i think bc of social statuses already in place maybe. but im guessing .

2 hours ago, Phi for All said:

Or, OR, we could discuss science and drop the other drama. That would be fantastic! Objectively, I think most here can forgive a newbie for sitting down at a the table for a discussion and instead telling us how badly we do things here. 

i am happy to talk science, lf youre interested do you or any one esle know of any studies of the psychological effects of social media social rating systems? this is not a jest at you, but i am interested in this topic now. i saw even today there is a grand amount of stir going on about right handed privilege and its effects on the social and emotional growth of left handed people, surely there has to be one study on social grading on media networks and the long term emotional effect on humans now that fb is at almost 18 years old. 

2 hours ago, Phi for All said:

And I'm sorry, but I don't buy your "experiment" explanation for a second

you are entitled to that. some people believe there is a giant cosmic snake that created the universe , since no one seems to know what happened before the big bang , who am i to piss into the wind? but i consider that im wrong sometimes. for others they may not. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Ferrummageticium

[beecee]

32 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

i am happy to talk science

Now's your chance then. Any questions on current evidenced based mainstream science? Do you have any doubt with any mainstream theories? Isn't that better then continuing with the nonsensical path you are seemingly on?

32 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

you are entitled to that. some people believe there is a giant cosmic snake that created the universe , since no one seems to know what happened before the big bang , who am i to piss into the wind? but i consider that im wrong sometimes. for others they may not. 

Correct, no one knows why or how the BB banged, but there is some reasonable scientific speculation about it, in the appropriate threads of course. I like Professor Lawrence Kraus' "A Universe from Nothing"  with nothing being defined as the pre BB quantum foam. Plenty of threads on these interesting topics in the appropriate sections. Let's hope we start getting some thoughts from you, supported of course with validated evidence.

32 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

do i? lol are you a machinist or in psychology? i am pretty sure i was trying for 90s era qvc shopping ads, but what do i know . if i did is that a bad thing? dont individuals need attention as a psychological component to life? i certainly dont know but maybe we do have some true psychology SME's in here. also this seems a thinly veiled way of saying in have emotional problems , again, unchecked by anyone i think bc of social statuses already in place maybe. but im guessing .

Yes you do, which your preoccupation with reputation points bare out. But as per my previous advice, perhaps some decent evidenced backed scientific discussion from you, may gain some positive reputation points you seem so obsessed with.

Edited October 23, 2021 by beecee

[Ferrummageticium]

22 minutes ago, beecee said:

Isn't that better then continuing with the nonsensical path you are seemingly on?

seemingly was a good word choice , it indicated that you dont know. as for nonsensical , we d need a pole for that. but sure i am happy to move on to more interesting scientific topics. 

 

22 minutes ago, beecee said:

Correct, no one knows why or how the BB banged, but there is some reasonable scientific speculation about it, in the appropriate threads of course. I like Professor Lawrence Kraus' "A Universe from Nothing"  with nothing being defined as the pre BB quantum foam. Plenty of threads on these interesting topics in the appropriate sections. Let's hope we start getting some thoughts from you, supported of course with validated evidence.

i can do that now if you like. i like that there is not really a hard defined construct for what happened before the big bang. it leaves a lot to the imagination and at the same time its a bit scary to think we dont know. cosmology is not a specialty for me but ill try . due to the idea of it being forward from a singularity, i kind of have two ideas that one we are in an expanding system and the singularity was from a  "portal" or flux or whatever term you want to use that was its base or original phase. then the opening collapsed or spent itself out . meaning there is a whole other universe in tandem with our own under different physical properties and ours may eventually need to depressurize somehow and that create sort of universe pools from larger ones that have some undefined membrane keeping them apart....maybe, but more that the one we exist in seeded from another like dumping a tub of water through a drain and it spouts out somewhere but under very very odd physical properties and energy/matter/antienergy/antimatter changes........but i dont think its a giant cosmic snake or anything else absurdly cartoonish as limitless as that would be.   

the other is the whole system will eventually stop, revert, and time moves backwards to the original singularity, but im not partial to that one bc i cant see how that would work logically . and even if that were true what the hell would that be? it just makes you wonder even more what the hell kind of system are we  in???

10 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

I like Professor Lawrence Kraus' "A Universe from Nothing" 

id liken to start reading that. ive read nothingness: the science of empty space by henning genz on properties of empty space but i forget if it was written before the discovery of dark matter. again, im a little weak in cosmology 

10 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

in the appropriate threads of course

i saw this in an after look 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Ferrummageticium

[beecee]

6 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

i saw this in an after look 

Check out the threads in the science sections...I have a habit of reproducing interesting science articles, or the astronomy/cosmology sections.

8 minutes ago, Ferrummageticium said:

i can do that now if you like. i like that there is not really a hard defined construct for what happened before the big bang. it leaves a lot to the imagination and at the same time its a bit scary to think we dont know. cosmology is not a specialty for me but ill try . due to the idea of it being forward from a singularity, i kind of have two ideas that one we are in an expanding system and the singularity was from a  "portal" or flux or whatever term you want to use that was its base or original phase. then the opening collapsed or spent itself out . meaning there is a whole other universe in tandem with our own under different physical properties.....but i dont think its a giant cosmic snake or anything else absurdly cartoonish as limitless as that would be.   

id liken to start reading that. ive read nothingness: the science of empty space by henning genz on properties of empty space but i forget if it was written before the discovery of dark matter. again, im a little weak in cosmology 

Just quickly on the highlighted parts....I don't believe it is scary, in fact I see the fact that we can be able to look back to around t+10-35th seconds or thereabouts as pretty outstanding and awesome.

The singularity also is more properly defined as the regions where our theories and models do not apply, rather then anything to do with infinite densities and/or spacetime curvature. Krauss' book is very interesting and he bases his scientific speculation on the uncertainty principle and the instability of "nothing".

 

On your "again, im a little weak in cosmology " this is the place to listen and learn from others here that are professional. That's not me btw, I'm just an old retired maintenance Fitter/machinist/welder, that has read plenty and learnt from experts on forums such as this. This is a pretty good place to learn with knowledgable folk.

[Ferrummageticium]

1 hour ago, beecee said:

Check out the threads in the science sections...I have a habit of reproducing interesting science articles, or the astronomy/cosmology sections

i will. currently im in the genetics section because i have an interest in synthetic nucleotides and want to learn more. but i know ill make it over to cosmo and i WILL make it a point to look and read your articles.

 

1 hour ago, beecee said:

Just quickly on the highlighted parts....I don't believe it is scary, in fact I see the fact that we can be able to look back to around t+10-35th seconds or thereabouts as pretty outstanding and awesome.

i agree with this too. im always amazed how much changed after hubble space telescope in general. 

 

1 hour ago, beecee said:

The singularity also is more properly defined as the regions where our theories and models do not apply, rather then anything to do with infinite densities and/or spacetime curvature. Krauss' book is very interesting and he bases his scientific speculation on the uncertainty principle and the instability of "nothing".

thats something i didnt know. id aways assumed via some old material it was about supreme density of some state of matter/energy. that never sat well with me it pictured a material zygote of sorts to me waiting to react.  what was it doing there? for how long? where did it incept from? the inception being my greatest curiousness .not the only one i know but just the idea alone that its hard to define what exactly we are IN in as far as a system goes. sometimes i imagine we are in an organism thats biology is just so far removed from our own that it appears lifeless but in fact is not in its own respects that it reacts to its environment in some way we dont sense or record with our current instrumentation . but thats more of a daydream . much like some of the cellular signaling complexities we ve observed over the last couple decades but on a cosmic scale. 

a physics professor id had had brought up a crazy idea that had been in circles somewhere that gravity wasnt real but was a manifestation of inertia but im not tested enough in physics to side with such a revolutionary idea and of course would side with it being false but i like the effort to test it and play with the idea of it if only to completely rule it out and see data . but there are SOOOOOOO many areas to learn. 

i just ordered krauss's book ($12 amazon) to read later  but currently im in strumm and morgan's aquatic chemistry and its technicalish so that ill check out after for fun

2 hours ago, beecee said:

decent evidenced backed scientific discussion from you, may gain some positive reputation points you seem so obsessed with.

im still curious on studies that involve the effects of reputation labels on sites and effects and ill post some data here , its not meant to be offensive ,but maybe we all can learn from it . since i dont know any or have never even looked into any studys , ill deeply go over the studies and post them objectively somewhere in psychology for viewing. 

[naitche]

1 hour ago, Ferrummageticium said:

 

im still curious on studies that involve the effects of reputation labels on sites and effects and ill post some data here , its not meant to be offensive ,but maybe we all can learn from it . since i dont know any or have never even looked into any studys , ill deeply go over the studies and post them objectively somewhere in psychology for viewing. 

An interesting study. Would tie into positive and negative reward systems of training/learning cognition. 

Blocking of unwanted behaviors coupled with reward would seem far more effective than 'punishment' or devaluation, much less likely to provoke resistance and ties in with studies showing that value (of behaviors, goods etc) must be demonstrated before recognition.

Edited October 24, 2021 by naitche

[Ferrummageticium]

4 hours ago, naitche said:

Blocking of unwanted behaviors coupled with reward would seem far more effective than 'punishment' or devaluation, much less likely to provoke resistance and ties in with studies showing that value (of behaviors, goods etc) must be demonstrated before recognition.

i think so. its liken to kids when you want them to stop doing something destructive so you go about trying to keep them from the act while rewarding them with prizes or treats when they respond positively verses, beating the ever-loving bejesus out of their butts and having them resent and like you said form resistance or rebel against the parent, if they react that way verses withdraw and inward psychologically negative conditions. 

i found a few peer reviewed studies but most have been on depressive conditions of social media use within certain age groups and focusing on sites like twitter and fb, snapchat, instagram and one or two more mainly showing females as being more depressed than males and also females being more addicted to social media verses males in the studies for age groups 16-early mid 20s except instagram showing males more addicted to it.  again depression being the major depression DSM-5 diagnostic criteria. but the one or so ive read tonight havent gone into specifics . 

as far as devaluation, its rampant on many social media sites and forums, ive witnessed devaluation here as well as well as positive conditioning for behaviors which the numbers below the member icon for all of us state for  positive behavior conditioning. but now thats not as much of my focus as trying to understand overall what effects are the two styles from current studies doing to people. 

also the devaluation i think is a bit more complex over all with all social forums and a major issue at larger social media sites i think but thats also not the point im trying to make now as much as id like to see long term studies from fb's startup of this kind of change in emotion states and what is being shown and why , to remove myself from the focus, and help myself and others gain better understanding of whats really happening long term to people through this kind of behavior changing.  example , i wonder how much cultural influence plays in these same studies in say africa on fb verses canada with signs of just one condition like depression and see if its manifestation is  determined by cultural social media responses or standards of living and cultural social media response..... some hybrid of the two being the culprit? obviously populations are being affected to a great deal by virtual social contact and in some in a very negative way. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by Ferrummageticium