New Zealand Smoking Law

[iNow]

1 hour ago, sethoflagos said:

So the UK isn't just losing the cigarette duty, it's not getting any tax at all from me. But what do I know - they're the infallible masters of economic management, not me.

Which is likely a marginally tiny amount relative to the annual savings they’re now realizing on the NHS side of the ledger…  the side where they’re spending millions upon millions on the treatment of conditions exacerbated by first and second hand smoking, and where these negative effects are also nearly always cumulative. 

Edited December 31, 2022 by iNow

[sethoflagos]

46 minutes ago, iNow said:

Which is likely a marginally tiny amount relative to the annual savings they’re now realizing on the NHS side of the ledger…

£10,000 per year a 'marginally tiny amount' compared to the £3,000 per person per year spent by the Department of Health and Social Care in England? 

You didn't check the sums before that post, did you.  

[npts2020]

Was more idle musing than serious inquiry but I have known more than one person who grew their own "weed" and could see tobacco smokers doing the same if they don't want to roll up chewing tobacco (not banned if I read a correct interpretation of the law).

[iNow]

21 minutes ago, sethoflagos said:

£10,000 per year a 'marginally tiny amount' compared to the £3,000 per person per year spent by the Department of Health and Social Care in England? 

You didn't check the sums before that post, did you.  

You’re forgetting economies of scale. It’s not the individual case of a sore loser who refuses to simply wear a nicotine patch or chew some gum during the weekend of their UK visit that matters here. I’m sure all 3 of them feel quite righteous and smug in their refusal to visit UK due to cigarette costs and policies, but they’re not even a nanoblip on the annual financial radar relative to the additive benefits to their economy from removing additional carcinogens from the air over the entire whole country and inhaled by all her subjects. 

Edited December 31, 2022 by iNow

[sethoflagos]

32 minutes ago, iNow said:

You’re forgetting economies of scale. It’s not the individual case of a sore loser who refuses to simply wear a nicotine patch or chew some gum during the weekend of their UK visit that matters here. I’m sure all 3 of them feel quite righteous and smug in their refusal to visit UK due to cigarette costs and policies, but they’re not even a nanoblip on the annual financial radar relative to the additive benefits to their economy from removing additional carcinogens from the air over the entire whole country and inhaled by all her subjects. 

Such vitriol.

 

[Phi for All]

22 minutes ago, sethoflagos said:

Such vitriol.

Such a sensitive vitriol meter you have!

[iNow]

1 hour ago, sethoflagos said:

Such vitriol.

I do get that sense coming from your posts towards me, but I promise not to hold it against you. We all have bad days sometimes. 

50 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

Such a sensitive vitriol meter you have!

You misspelled “broken”

[MigL]

Are you two the same guys who always claim prohibition doesn't work ?
Or does that only apply to mood altering substances, but not cigarettes ?

[iNow]

Who two?

[MigL]

You and Phi.
And Happy New Year to 'you two'.
( hope the hangover has subsided )

[iNow]

18 hours ago, MigL said:

always claim prohibition doesn't work ?

Depends a bit on what metric one uses to define “work.” No plan is perfect, but the publicly stated objectives for prohibition aren’t usually realized, and further they nearly always result in unforeseen and unseemly effects, black markets, thuggery, etc. 

18 hours ago, MigL said:

Or does that only apply to mood altering substances, but not cigarettes ?

As we’ve not yet established what you’re trying to ask here, I’m unable to offer comment. 

15 minutes ago, MigL said:

And Happy New Year to 'you two'.

And to you, too bud. Hope good health and good people are there whenever you wish them to be. ✌🏼

[CharonY]

23 hours ago, MigL said:

Are you two the same guys who always claim prohibition doesn't work ?

From the looks of it, the measures are a fair bit different. I have not read up much on it, but it seems mostly restrict supply, but does not seem to e.g. criminalize private consumption. It is obviously early to tell what the effects are going to be, but considering that the smoking rates have dropped quite a bit in NZ already, there is a decent chance that the smoking rates will decline further just by making it more difficult to get to them.