Willem F Esterhuyse Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 The particles don't go through both slits but as a particle goes through one slit, its virtual antiparticle goes through the other. The predictions of this is that the particles form an interference pattern on a screen. -4
Bufofrog Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) Why do you keep just making up random stuff like this? Making things up with nothing to back it is not science. Edited January 2, 2023 by Bufofrog
Ghideon Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 33 minutes ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: The particles don't go through both slits but as a particle goes through one slit, its virtual antiparticle goes through the other. The predictions of this is that the particles form an interference pattern on a screen. What is the antiparticle of a photon in your idea? (Rhetorical question to highlight basic issues of the idea. Some particles, such as the photon, are their own antiparticle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiparticle)
Willem F Esterhuyse Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ghideon said: What is the antiparticle of a photon in your idea? A photon pi/2 radians out of phase. 55 minutes ago, Bufofrog said: Making things up with nothing to back it is not science. There is something to back it up.
swansont Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: The particles don't go through both slits but as a particle goes through one slit, its virtual antiparticle goes through the other. The predictions of this is that the particles form an interference pattern on a screen. What if it’s an electron? How do you form the virtual antiparticle, and obey conservation of charge and angular momentum?
Willem F Esterhuyse Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, swansont said: What if it’s an electron? How do you form the virtual antiparticle, and obey conservation of charge and angular momentum? The field of a positron goes through the other slit (how else are the waves to cancel?).
swansont Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: The field of a positron goes through the other slit (how else are the waves to cancel?). That’s not what I asked. How do you form the virtual positron, and obey conservation of charge and angular momentum?
Willem F Esterhuyse Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, swansont said: How do you form the virtual positron, and obey conservation of charge and angular momentum? By creating the opposite excitation in an Electron Field.
swansont Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 Just now, Willem F Esterhuyse said: By creating the opposite excitation in an Electron Field. How does that conserve charge and angular momentum?
Willem F Esterhuyse Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 It doesn't need to: it is a virtual particle. I ask again: how else is the wave to cancel?
swansont Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: It doesn't need to: it is a virtual particle. Virtual particles are still subject to these conservation laws.
Willem F Esterhuyse Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 The opposite excitation must happen in order for the waves to cancel. And the opposite excitation is a positron. The second sentence above is to be invalidated if other ideas of wave-canceling are to pertain. The conservation laws seem to indicate this sentence is invalid and it is another kind of opposite excitation.
Mordred Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) I don't think you fully understand Swansont's question. All particle creation must obey all conservation laws. That list includes the following. (charge, lepton number, linear and angular momentum, isospin, color, flavor, mass) you must apply all the applicable conservation laws in your examination. You cannot choose one and ignore others. That would be rather tricky to do with your proposal once you consider the experiment has also been done using quantum dot emitters (single quanta aka photons) Edited January 2, 2023 by Mordred
exchemist Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: It doesn't need to: it is a virtual particle. I ask again: how else is the wave to cancel? By being out of phase. Nothing to do with charge. 2 hours ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: The opposite excitation must happen in order for the waves to cancel. And the opposite excitation is a positron. The second sentence above is to be invalidated if other ideas of wave-canceling are to pertain. The conservation laws seem to indicate this sentence is invalid and it is another kind of opposite excitation. What nonsense. The same wave (i.e. a single excitation) passing though 2 slits will form an interference pattern on the far side. This is basic.
swansont Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: The opposite excitation must happen in order for the waves to cancel. And the opposite excitation is a positron. The second sentence above is to be invalidated if other ideas of wave-canceling are to pertain. The conservation laws seem to indicate this sentence is invalid and it is another kind of opposite excitation. But you can’t just summon a charged particle into existence by itself. Or a particle with spin. That’s magic, not science.
Genady Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 The wave is not canceled. Its shape changes. Fewer particles appear in some areas while more particles appear in others. With the same total. There is a destructive and also a constructive interference.
joigus Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 How do you reconcile this with charge conservation? The initial electron has charge -e. The e+ e- pair, on the other hand, has charge 0. --As pointed out by @swansont and @Mordred.
Willem F Esterhuyse Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 So the position is untenable. Then there must be a Positron Field and an Electron Field. The Electron Field must be able to have a negative amplitude without being an excitation of a positron. -3
swansont Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: So the position is untenable. Yes, your position is untenable 7 hours ago, Willem F Esterhuyse said: Then there must be a Positron Field and an Electron Field. The Electron Field must be able to have a negative amplitude without being an excitation of a positron. ! Moderator Note I’m not sure what this means. But this, like your earlier conjecture, lacks sufficient rigor to make predictions. We shouldn’t have to ask you for your model; if you have one you should have presented it. As it is it looks like you are just spouting buzzwords without regard for any of the associated physics principles. And that doesn’t comply with our requirements for speculations
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