Capiert Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Periside (e.g. perihelion, is the nearest distance to the sun, &) has the slowest orbit_speed, but fastest angle_speed (angular_velocity); & Apside (e.g. Aphelion is the farthest distance (away) from the sun) has the fastest orbit_speed, & slowest angle_speed (angular_velocity). I distinguish between orbit_speed (vc=Cir/T=2*Pi*r/T); versus the angle_speed f=(theta/t)*(1 [cycle]/360°) =1/T called frequency, for the angle theta in (units) [degree(s)]=[°]; t is an amount of time (duration, e.g. difference in time) in (units) [second(s)]; & period T is the (amount of) time (duration), per cycle. (Disclaimer: otherwise Kepler's 3rd law is NONSENSE (for me), from who I pity). Tycho (Brahe) (only) measured planets'(_position): angles & time (dates); so we can calculate the(ir orbits) angular_speeds, e.g. how fast arcs (=angles). are swept. To summarize (my interpretation): 1. Kepler found that (planets') obits were NOT perfect circles (& (he simply) approximated that (orbit) to an ellipse (math)). 2. Instead, an egg (shaped orbit) has only 1 focus (center), found near the smaller end. (The conic_section was done (algebraically) from a cone (with its circular base sitting on the ground (y=0), & its apex (x,y=0,H=0,1) up at the top) having the same radius R=H=1 equal to its height H (which seems to be the key to the results); & then normalizing by dividing by the egg's total (diagonal_)length L which starts at the cone's base_circumference (left_side, x,y=-1,0) going (diagonally up, to the right) thru the center axis (focus x,y=0,h) where the (partial) height (fraction) h is the eccentricity (Epsilon); (& continues till it pierces (out, thru) the cone's right side). Your mathematicians should be capable of similar results. If you DON'T believe me you can form bread dough & cut it, appropriately.) Equal arcs (=angles) are swept [out] in equal times. 3. A circular orbit_period T=2*Pi*((r/g)^0.5), g=ac (has a formula similar to a Pendulum's_period) which is similar to Newton's centifugal_acceleration ac=vc2/r if ac=g. Why should an orbit_speed vc increase with smaller radius? E.g. For very small eccentricities? (It does NOT, because..) There is NO consistency, when extrapolating to large(r) eccentricities. Nature does NOT abruptly change her laws; (but) men do. Especially when they did NOT understand. Edited Tuesday at 08:18 AM by Capiert Corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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