Restaurant food (split from Heat Regulation - Obesity)

[studiot]

On 10/13/2023 at 5:05 PM, swansont said:

Some restaurant food tastes better simply because they use an insane amount of butter. It’s not necessarily better food.

What's insane about it ?

 

You might like to note that much asian cooking (curries etc) depends upon ghee, which is clarified butter, rather than oil.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghee

 

Ghee is supposedly better f or you than the solid state butter.

[Phi for All]

8 minutes ago, studiot said:

Ghee is supposedly better f or you than the solid state butter.

Especially if you have problems with lactose. The lack of milk solids also means it can be hotter than butter without burning, which makes it healthier.

[Michael McMahon]

37 minutes ago, studiot said:

You might like to note that much asian cooking (curries etc) depends upon ghee, which is clarified butter, rather than oil.

We could get metaphysical about food. If the English upper class was ever redemptive to other countries it’s that any ounce of supremacy was about a posher demeanour and not a physically fitter body. The harsh reality is that capitalism can extort middle class people to feel defensive against the segment of working class people who are smaller in stature in order to deter physically strong working class people against the threat of violent insubordination. It’s because we don’t have many subsistence farmers that we forget that most poor people in ancient history might have been physically extremely fit. Unfortunately rich people can downplay the supremacy of poor African athletes by being too distinct from poor white people. Not one person should feel extorted to defend their wealth class unless they root in nuclear war! Obesity as a physical defence would makes sense if you were capable of a blasphemous rage matching the toned physiques of Chinese communists! If a few lower middle class people dislike champagne socialists it’s possible that a contributing factor is that middle class champagne socialists are mentally or physically stronger and downplay how extortionate it is to identify as a capitalist against communism. As such if I identify as an absolute socialist it’s to outcompete the idea that I’m a champagne socialist because I won’t take responsibility for third world poverty as a belief system if poor people vouch for capitalism! 

Edited October 26, 2023 by Michael McMahon

[swansont]

23 minutes ago, studiot said:

What's insane about it ?

The context was healthy eating. A large amount of butter is not particularly healthy.

[Michael McMahon]

I once got a beetroot and cold salmon dish in a restaurant in Dublin and tried to learn from it by adding beetroot to a pre-made lasagna:

I used to be addicted to sweet and sour chicken and so I tried to sweeten up an Indian chicken tikka dish with a fried mandarin orange along with adding lemon marmalade to the sauce:

Edited October 29, 2023 by Michael McMahon

[Michael McMahon]

Some fast food can be healthy in a sarcastic way to disprove people who overeat healthy food. For example it’s very easy to think you’re nice to enjoy a ham and cheese sandwich but the catch is if you stuff the sandwich with chicken and eggs too along with toasting it to make the butter and cheese resemble pizza then you might still be deterred from overeating cold and simple sandwiches when you’re not a marathon runner! Likewise the blatant indulgence of hot chocolates can prevent you being addicted to the asceticism of milk when you’re tall enough to require more calcium only that it requires a lot of masculinity to find a balance between addiction and self-ridicule. Eating chips places a self-deprecating limit on eating potatoes with too much butter and gravy where you wouldn’t be meditating sufficiently on the potatoes anymore! 
 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Michael McMahon

[zapatos]

I feel like I'm reading a food blog.

[Michael McMahon]

1 hour ago, zapatos said:

I feel like I'm reading a food blog.

The idea of fast food parodying healthy food can be the same for many drugs being a victim of their own karma. For example alcoholics might dislike being highly extraverted by overdrinking with others to try and disprove how ethical they were to talk to one another. Humility is very ethical but is easily hijacked by perversion. For example marijuana might make those already prone to spirituality to downplay their spirituality by attributing too much of their insights to drugs when a lot of their thinking might still have been internal. 

Wiz Khalifa - No Sleep

Yet another factor in obesity is that a lot of athletes can be too emphatic without being sexy enough. The dilemma is that many top athletes are able to be sexy if they tried to be but are often unwilling to let slightly less hardworking athletes be viewed as sexy. For example as a teenager I always counterbalanced cardiovascular exercise with weightlifting because no matter how strong and handsome bodybuilders and marathon runners can be they often downplay how nice they are by not being slightly androgynous. As such no matter how superior I try to be at walking I can always mislead others into how egalitarian I can be just to pride myself on walking stamina!

Edited October 29, 2023 by Michael McMahon

[TheVat]

1 hour ago, Michael McMahon said:

Yet another factor in obesity is that a lot of athletes can be too emphatic without being sexy enough. The dilemma is that many top athletes are able to be sexy if they tried to be but are often unwilling to let slightly less hardworking athletes be viewed as sexy. For example as a teenager I always counterbalanced cardiovascular exercise with weightlifting because no matter how strong and handsome bodybuilders and marathon runners can be they often downplay how nice they are by not being slightly androgynous. As such no matter how superior I try to be at walking I can always mislead others into how egalitarian I can be just to pride myself on walking stamina!

I find this nearly unintelligible.  What is your goal?

If you want health and fitness, don't obsess over food.  Set a few boundaries and walk on.  Minimize sugar and ultraprocessed foods whose ingredients list looks like a list of chemicals you don't have in your kitchen.   Embrace fiber.  Avoid foods that contain the word "isolate."  (eating an isolate is like taking vitamin A pills instead of having a carrot or sweet potato)

[Michael McMahon]

33 minutes ago, TheVat said:

I find this nearly unintelligible.  What is your goal?

 

Offering light criticism can often be a backhanded way to downplay just how threatening other people could have been! I feel the entirety of China could be sacrificed in any nuclear exchange just to achieve destruction of critical targets in the west!

[TheVat]

1 hour ago, Michael McMahon said:

 

Offering light criticism can often be a backhanded way to downplay just how threatening other people could have been! I feel the entirety of China could be sacrificed in any nuclear exchange just to achieve destruction of critical targets in the west!

What?  What does any of that have to do with restaurants and food?

Or anything I said?

[Michael McMahon]

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

What?  What does any of that have to do with restaurants and food?

Or anything I said?

 

I like your style. Nuclear destruction of multiple countries simply isn't very relevant!

[Michael McMahon]

I ordered baked potatoes with cheese and onion to counteract the free cheese and onion crisps!

[Michael McMahon]

Not only walking past sweets but also spending time observing sweets in a shop after you’ve already had a big meal is one way to deter you overeating sweets! 

 

“Point-of-purchase merchandising uses strategically placed products -- usually near the front of the store or by the cash register -- to spur consumer impulse buying.” smallbusiness chron com

Edited March 14 by Michael McMahon

[exchemist]

7 hours ago, Michael McMahon said:

I ordered baked potatoes with cheese and onion to counteract the free cheese and onion crisps!

From the sound of things - and the look of what is on that plate -  you need to get into the habit of eating a few salads, and applying the Japanese principle of eating slowly and stopping when you feel 80% full.  

 

 

[Genady]

16 minutes ago, exchemist said:

the look of what is on that plate

is horrible.

[Michael McMahon]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:10 PM, exchemist said:

From the sound of things - and the look of what is on that plate -  you need to get into the habit of eating a few salads, and applying the Japanese principle of eating slowly and stopping when you feel 80% full.  

One reason sweets can be addictive is that healthy food is almost unlimited such that healthier people would still be outcompeted by even healthier people. I’ve never ate a whole raw lemon and lime until now where I had plenty of lemon and lime juices in the past. So many sugary sweets during childhood are almost mere preparation for how extreme it could be to eat lemon and lime slices. I ate the lemon yoghurt afterwards as a recovery warm-down! I put a handful of raw popcorn in my mouth on a drive to the beach and it took the full 30-minute length of the journey for the popcorn to melt in my mouth before it became chewable and ingested. Yet in spite of the blandness the raw popcorn was as great as chewing gum in distracting you from overeating other foods. 

[exchemist]

17 minutes ago, Michael McMahon said:

One reason sweets can be addictive is that healthy food is almost unlimited such that healthier people would still be outcompeted by even healthier people. I’ve never ate a whole raw lemon and lime until now where I had plenty of lemon and lime juices in the past. So many sugary sweets during childhood are almost mere preparation for how extreme it could be to eat lemon and lime slices. I ate the lemon yoghurt afterwards as a recovery warm-down! I put a handful of raw popcorn in my mouth on a drive to the beach and it took the full 30-minute length of the journey for the popcorn to melt in my mouth before it became chewable and ingested. Yet in spite of the blandness the raw popcorn was as great as chewing gum in distracting you from overeating other foods. 

Look, from all your posts it is plain you have a really unhealthy relationship with food. That previous picture you posted on the 14th of March was positively disgusting. And now you ballock on about eating whole lemons and limes on their own, which is nuts and certainly nothing like part of any reasonable, balanced diet. The acid alone will screw with your stomach.

I don't know what you are doing on this forum. You've been given all the advice you need long since. Go and talk to a dietician and act on what they say. Stop trying these random daft things and then coming here to obsess about it.  I'm sorry, but I've really had enough of this crap.   

[Peterkin]

Hey, at least he hasn't eaten the rinds - yet. Maybe they take too long to turn into chewing gum.

Edited April 18 by Peterkin

[TheVat]

Where weight gain is a chronic issue, it seems to work better to take the draconian step of just eliminating sweets.  That seems to go better than repeatedly venturing out on the slippery terrain of moderate sugar intake.  There are lots of delightful flavors in this world that are not sweet.  Savor them.  JMO.

[Michael McMahon]

On 4/18/2024 at 11:38 PM, TheVat said:

Where weight gain is a chronic issue, it seems to work better to take the draconian step of just eliminating sweets.  That seems to go better than repeatedly venturing out on the slippery terrain of moderate sugar intake.  There are lots of delightful flavors in this world that are not sweet.  Savor them.  JMO.

I added lemon and lime slices to a fish pie only to find how harsh the lemon was. I likely ate too many slices in recent days. I figured that if people ever threatened evil or tried to glorify themselves then you could try not to vomit by eating lots of lemons in order to counteract other sweets and gain self-control! 

[Michael McMahon]

On 4/18/2024 at 9:33 PM, exchemist said:

Look, from all your posts it is plain you have a really unhealthy relationship with food. That previous picture you posted on the 14th of March was positively disgusting. And now you ballock on about eating whole lemons and limes on their own, which is nuts and certainly nothing like part of any reasonable, balanced diet. The acid alone will screw with your stomach. 

One reason I didn’t eat too many apples and oranges in the past is that I drank so much apple and orange juice that were so sweet that I became suspicious of the boring taste of solid apples and oranges. I thought perhaps apples and oranges were meant to taste sweet when I become middle aged. After all the small mandarins can be so sweet. Yet now I suspect the apple and orange might intentionally be bland in taste as if the solid substances were trying to counteract a sweet tooth of the juices inside. So you’d need a faith that the apple and orange were still secretly very sweet to have this viewpoint. 

[exchemist]

1 hour ago, Michael McMahon said:

One reason I didn’t eat too many apples and oranges in the past is that I drank so much apple and orange juice that were so sweet that I became suspicious of the boring taste of solid apples and oranges. I thought perhaps apples and oranges were meant to taste sweet when I become middle aged. After all the small mandarins can be so sweet. Yet now I suspect the apple and orange might intentionally be bland in taste as if the solid substances were trying to counteract a sweet tooth of the juices inside. So you’d need a faith that the apple and orange were still secretly very sweet to have this viewpoint. 

OK I'm now putting you Ignore. Go and see a health professional.

[TheVat]

4 hours ago, Michael McMahon said:

One reason I didn’t eat too many apples and oranges in the past is that I drank so much apple and orange juice that were so sweet that I became suspicious of the boring taste of solid apples and oranges. I thought perhaps apples and oranges were meant to taste sweet when I become middle aged. After all the small mandarins can be so sweet. Yet now I suspect the apple and orange might intentionally be bland in taste as if the solid substances were trying to counteract a sweet tooth of the juices inside. So you’d need a faith that the apple and orange were still secretly very sweet to have this viewpoint. 

Juices are pancreas killers.  Oranges and apples and (my favorite) blueberries have a variety of nutrients and absorption-slowing fiber in their natural form - juicing such fruit strips a lot of that out, and gives you a sugar-drink that will spike insulin and foster weight gain.  Juices are also subjected to high temps and then (with a few exceptions, brands like Knudsen's) shot into plastic bottles, where nasty things leach into them especially if they have any acidity to them (like OJ).  One way to make plain fresh fruit more interesting is combinations - e.g. fruit salad with apple slices, orange slices, berries, chunks of pineapple and/or mango, etc.  Also get something with a little tartness in there - sweetness combined with tartness enhances flavor.  

 

Edited July 18 by TheVat

[geordief]

On 4/18/2024 at 11:38 PM, TheVat said:

Where weight gain is a chronic issue, it seems to work better to take the draconian step of just eliminating sweets.  That seems to go better than repeatedly venturing out on the slippery terrain of moderate sugar intake.  There are lots of delightful flavors in this world that are not sweet.  Savor them.  JMO.

I was listening to the radio and it seems that the new weight loss drugs(soon to be in pill form apparently) have upended the diet industry completely(eg weight watchers stock is down 90%)

 

I  eat very little sugar myself and feel that that has allowed me to ignore any inclination to reduce my food intake in any department (also I just feel there is no actual nutrition in sugar and mostly avoid it for that reason)

So I am wondering if obsession with  weight  may now be a thing of the past  and the general public may attain the weight they want just by consuming the new fat burning drugs.  

 

Good for us all as we will no longer have to listen to  people obsessing about weight and diet -which is certainly distressing for them.

 

I think juicing is out of fashion and  blending is more recommended(not that I do that either .Our blender has sat in the cupboard for some 10 years - they are a bit messy and noisy)