ydoaPs Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 is time considered a vector in SR? does dilation occur in direction of motion or in all directions?
CPL.Luke Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 well I can't see time being dilated more in one direction than anouther. So I would say that it just dilates relative to you. however if the object moved at a angle to you, then you would have to solve out for its velocity relative to you at all times.
ecoli Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 I thought time was more like a property of the universe, like a dimension.
ydoaPs Posted September 11, 2005 Author Posted September 11, 2005 aren't dimensions vectors? ie. unit vectors used to define other vectors?
ecoli Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 not sure...its hard to image 3-dimensional space as a vector. edit: unless your not talking in terms of a single vector
ydoaPs Posted September 11, 2005 Author Posted September 11, 2005 take a vector in a three dimensional space: [math]\vec{v}=a_1{\vec{i}}+a_2{\vec{j}}+a_3{\vec{k}}[/math] where i, j, and k are the unit vectors for x, y, and z, respectively
swansont Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 No. Time and time dilation are not vectors. All that is necessary is relative motion, and the direction of motion is not a factor.
J.C.MacSwell Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 No. Time and time dilation are not vectors. All that is necessary is relative motion, and the direction of motion is not a factor. I'm not sure how this bears on the topic, but the direction of acceleration is a factor. Edit: or is it? It (direction) will not effect the present rate of flow of time although it will effect the future rate. Whereas the rate of acceleration will effect both.
timo Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 is time considered a vector in SR? No. There are two different "times" in SR. Eigentime, which is a scalar (=a real number which remains invariant under coordinate transformations) and coordinate time which is the first entry of a four-vector (also a real number but not invariant under coordinate transformations).
swansont Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 I'm not sure how this bears on the topic' date=' but the direction of acceleration is a factor. Edit: or is it? It (direction) will not effect the present rate of flow of time although it will effect the future rate. Whereas the rate of acceleration will effect both.[/quote'] Acceleration means it's not strictly SR, but I don't think the direction matters
ydoaPs Posted September 11, 2005 Author Posted September 11, 2005 so, time dilates in response to relative speed and instead of relative velocity?
5614 Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 Correct... it is the speed between two bodies that counts. If me and you are both travelling north, but you are traveling at c-1 and I'm travelling at c/100 time dilation will occur although we both are travelling in the same direction, whereas if we are travelling in opposite directions but with the same relative speed as in the previous example the dilation effect will be the same.
ydoaPs Posted September 11, 2005 Author Posted September 11, 2005 what about if our motions are perpendicular to each other?
swansont Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 what about if our motions are perpendicular to each other? The speed is with respect to your frame of reference. e.g. the dilation of a clock on a satellite is given by the orbital speed, which is perpendicular.
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