Molotov Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 While we're at it, lets euthanize all the politicians too. They waste more tax money than the handicapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_p Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Shall we let you play God, Sum Deus? It is obvious from the name that he would not consider it playing? If this is a real thread, and not just some game designed to fire up a few posters, there are two things SD needs to learn, real fast: 1. Life is a struggle; bad things happen; productive adults learn to cope constructively; those who just whine are the burdens on society. 2. Everyone goes through a period when they feel like an outcast and a social misfit; the love and acceptance of our family and friends are what helps us through. You and your brother have a rougher road than a lot of people, but your wishing him dead is not going to improve it. Have you considered that your rejection could be contributing to his depression? That your hostility could be poisoning the family atmosphere? That you are being as great, if not a greater, burden on your family as your brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 If this is a real thread' date=' and not just some game designed to fire up a few posters,[/quote'] if this wasn`t such an emotive topic I and others would probably take exception to that remark! this thread is as real as any other thread we have here to read, we do NOT need to "fire up posters", our record speaks for itself! we design Nothing here, only that what is usable, it`s content is ALL of YOUR (the users) Making! if anything we "Take Away" from this input where it`s Offensive or Spammy, the only thing we add is what you see as our posts and keeping the place neat and tidy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peon Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 It is obvious from the name that he would not consider it playing? If this is a real thread' date=' and not just some game designed to fire up a few posters, there are two things SD needs to learn, real fast: 1. Life is a struggle; bad things happen; productive adults learn to cope constructively; those who just whine are the burdens on society. 2. Everyone goes through a period when they feel like an outcast and a social misfit; the love and acceptance of our family and friends are what helps us through. You and your brother have a rougher road than a lot of people, but your wishing him dead is not going to improve it. Have you considered that your rejection could be contributing to his depression? That your hostility could be poisoning the family atmosphere? That you are being as great, if not a greater, burden on your family as your brother?[/quote'] Amen. This person probobly needs professional help to reach homeostasis fast. *rambles about the education system needing major reforms and greater importance assigned to it* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_p Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 if this wasn`t such an emotive topic I and others would probably take exception to that remark! and with very good reason ... I apologize directly to SD for my lack of consideration and understanding. And I apologize to the other posters for my breach of etiquette. I was completely out of line on that. Thank you for your patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sum Deus Posted September 15, 2005 Author Share Posted September 15, 2005 I am not myself a burden on my family. They do not recognize me as a part of them. They have rejected me for my thoughts and my notions and have punished me for my ideas. I am not a burden in of myself, but they make me a burden by constantly deciding to punish me, while smothering my brother with attention and pity. They do not love him. They pity him. And so they attempt, fruitlessly, to help him catch up with the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peon Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I am not myself a burden on my family. They do not recognize me as a part of them. They have rejected me for my thoughts and my notions and have punished me for my ideas. I am not a burden in of myself, but they make me a burden by constantly deciding to punish me, while smothering my brother with attention and pity. They do not love him. They pity him. And so they attempt, fruitlessly, to help him catch up with the rest of the world. You ARE a damn burden on your family. Not your brother. I got 3 last words for you: Seek. Medical. Help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sum Deus Posted September 15, 2005 Author Share Posted September 15, 2005 I refuse to submit to the mind-smothering techniques of the "Specialists". Too many are the times when my parents forced me to undergo the mind-numbing sessions. They try to fill my brain with what is "right and moral". Good and evil are states of mind, not tangible zones of action. The whole profession is full of that which emerges from the south side of a north-facing bull! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 OKay, I looked at this thread like you asked, Sum, and I refuse to take part. Eugenics discussions never lead anywhere, and will probablt earn you a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sum Deus Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 Why would voicing an opinion result in a ban? I thought this was supposed to be a discussion forum! The structure of this thread has not fallen apart into choas... Just because it pertains to something you people think sensitive doesn't mean it should be closed to all, and it certainly does not mean I should be removed from the community. I think I am helping a few people think outside of the box, here, where most people's minds are more closed than they may believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commie_Pinko Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Well, one really has to define the word "Eugenics." There are various definitions of it, especially according to Ethical Philosophers. Not all Eugenics is bad. We shouldn't confuse it with Nazism, deathcamps, castration, or such. That's a specific type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_p Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Why would voicing an opinion result in a ban? I thought this was supposed to be a discussion forum! The structure of this thread has not fallen apart into choas... Just because it pertains to something you people think sensitive doesn't mean it should be closed to all, and it certainly does not mean I should be removed from the community. I think I am helping a few people think outside of the box, here, where most people's minds are more closed than they may believe... Oh, for .... every-one is more closed-minded than they believe! Not many people admit, 'I'm going to rest on my ignorance and prejudice on this matter, and not listen to or engage in debate', but [i submit] that everyone does it about something. However, you seem to think that those who disagree with you are being sentimental or knee-jerk humanists. No, SD, they disagree with your definition of worth and burden. They think your brother might be worth knowing. You sneer at what you dismiss as 'pity'; Let's check the American Heritage ... "Pity: Sympathy and sorrow aroused by the misfortune or suffering of another." I don't see how any community could function without that. Why should pity be a more contemptible element of love than, say, lust? Yes, I pity your brother, your parents, and the poor of the Gulf Coast; hell, I pity every-one from the Gulf Coast. They have a much rougher road ahead than I. I would that I could offer meaningfull help. I also respect them for dealing with a misfortune I have never had to face. As for your place in this community, well, over time you may create one for yourself; but you do not exhibit any desire to belong to a community. You seem, both in your description of your family life and in the tone of the above post, to want to take all that a community has to offer, without fulfilling your responsibilities in return. If you were to focus more on fulfilling your responsibilites, including simple courtesy, and more on others's needs than on your own, your situation would improve. 'From all according to their abilities, to all according to their needs' may not have worked out as an economic system, but it's a damn good definition of a family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio-Hazard Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 The reason we keep them alive is for moral value. Not only that, but they serve some type of scientific purpose. I'm thinking we should kill all the people who can't figure stuff like this out on their own. Jeeze people, grow up your mind. If sick people didn't exist, we wouldn't have reasons to research it, or at least try to resolve such problems as comas or vegetative states. Someone who may be the most intelligent person in the world could go into high case of schizophrenia and then a coma state. If we wanted to revive such a person, scientific research would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sum Deus Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 You sneer at what you dismiss as 'pity'; Let's check the American Heritage ... "Pity: Sympathy and sorrow aroused by the misfortune or suffering of another." I don't see how any community could function without that. Why should pity be a more contemptible element of love than, say, lust? I do not sneer at the pity in and of itself, but that it is, in this case, substituting love, and, in other cases, even friendship. My brother does not have one friend. He has people who pity him and therefore help him. He is isolated from the rest of the world and no person should have to endure that. The people around him should not have to endure not knowing how to act around him. You people say that I am an insensitive nihilist, but part of my argument is that he himself should not have to deal with leading a "half-life" and being isolated from the rest of the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commie_Pinko Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Well, before deciding whether or not someone should want to live or the mental state of said individual, why not ask the individual himself? Not all retarded people are completely incompetent. No one is better able to decide one's own end than the individual in question. It would be absurd to think you know how "happy" someone is, unless you have facts to show otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Why would voicing an opinion result in a ban? I thought this was supposed to be a discussion forum! It doesn`t, Breaking the rules does. you`ve broken no rules here that I`m aware of, as you said, it`s a discussion forum, and as long as it remains as discussion within our rules (and it has), no ones getting banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyam200 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 i agree with peon de. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sum Deus Posted September 18, 2005 Author Share Posted September 18, 2005 Well, before deciding whether or not someone should want to live or the mental state of said individual, why not ask the individual himself? Not all retarded people are completely incompetent. No one is better able to decide one's own end than the individual in question. It would be absurd to think you know how "happy" someone is, unless you have facts to show otherwise. My brother understands neither the concept of death, nor of pity for the same reason that if one has never known love, one cannot know hate. He has never been exposed to death, and so does not understand its true meaning, as with life, for he has never experienced it being taken away from someone. As for pity, he has known it all his life and so cannot comprehend it, itself, or life without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commie_Pinko Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Sum Deus, a lot of what you speak of falls under Appeal to Anecdotal information. No one can ever verifiy what you are saying, nor is it reasonable to show what you say is false. It's also not comprehensive; it doesn't reflect the majority, for the sample is too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 one has never known love, one cannot know hate. I'm sure you realise that someone is perfectly capable of feeling hate without knowing love. You're also basing your argument on a personal situation, which should imply a broader consideration of the topic...otherwise you're just being narrow minded. Not meaning to be rude, but that's how you're coming across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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