American Independence

[mistermack]

22 hours ago, Endy0816 said:

Had the rebellion happened later, slightly differently or even not at all could have meant no effective help against Germany down the line.

I'm not sure how you could conclude that. If the present USA was still part of the British Empire at the start of WW1, the Kaiser might have been deterred from starting it in the first place.. And if not, then the effective help would have been available on the first day, not after two years of war.  But if the USA was like Australia, separate, but in the commonwealth, then they would almost certainly joined at the start, and the Kaiser and Hitler would have known that. Which would maybe have meant that six million Jews and 25 million Russians might not have died in war. As well as millions of others. And in that scenario, Japan would never have attacked on it's own. 

[StringJunky]

On 5/22/2023 at 10:14 PM, mistermack said:

There's waving, and then there's .  .  .      Uggghhh !   

 

It's a problem when you are part of a nation that purports to lead global democratic values... it is an oxymoronic/counterproductive attitude. This is what polarized national politics looks like to the rest of the world. China will be more than happy to fill the vacant geopolitical hotspots if it gets too crazy. Let's not forget that the 'rest of the world' is not just W. Europe and does not have the same collective mindset and expectations... our priorities are not necessarily the same.

If the US wants to go its own way, it needs to stop talking like it's leading a global team. That's the conundrum the GOP in particular have to face. They can't be "All-American" at the expense of the other nations.

Edited May 25, 2023 by StringJunky

[StringJunky]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the triple somersaults and backspins accomodating partisan/national and projected US global priorities in the De Santis camp over the coming months. Having a poker-face when rallying or talking to reporters is not amenable to gaining votes either. Clarence Thomas can get away with his perma-rigid facial expression because he has a job for life 

Edited May 25, 2023 by StringJunky

[CharonY]

2 hours ago, StringJunky said:

I'm really looking forward to seeing the triple somersaults and backspins accomodating partisan/national and projected US global priorities in the De Santis camp over the coming months. Having a poker-face when rallying or talking to reporters is not amenable to gaining votes either. Clarence Thomas can get away with his perma-rigid facial expression because he has a job for life 

You know what? Pre-Trump I would have thought it funny, too. Now, not so sure.

[StringJunky]

24 minutes ago, CharonY said:

You know what? Pre-Trump I would have thought it funny, too. Now, not so sure.

It's having to juggle those balls simultaneously - state, national, geopolitical - that filters out the serious extremists. He hasn't got any wiggle room and will have to increasingly prevaricate and muddle his stated agenda nearer 2024 to get the swing-vote. Trump has a licence by his followers to do anything.

Edited May 26, 2023 by StringJunky

[Endy0816]

7 hours ago, mistermack said:

I'm not sure how you could conclude that. If the present USA was still part of the British Empire at the start of WW1, the Kaiser might have been deterred from starting it in the first place.. And if not, then the effective help would have been available on the first day, not after two years of war.  But if the USA was like Australia, separate, but in the commonwealth, then they would almost certainly joined at the start, and the Kaiser and Hitler would have known that. Which would maybe have meant that six million Jews and 25 million Russians might not have died in war. As well as millions of others. And in that scenario, Japan would never have attacked on it's own. 

It'd largely still be a Colonial economy, likely developing without the same access to oil and gold.

British were on good terms with the Hawaiian Monarchy too. Hawaii and thus Pearl Harbor attack could easily have never happened.

Troops might go, but would lack the same motivation and an economic powerhouse backing them.

At one point in our own history, we also appealed to a Prussian Prince to take over as monarch instead.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_scheme

That could have really sent the later wars in another direction.