Rytons and Associated Clusters - Building a universe.

[fluctusequitantes]

Hi, This is my speculative idea on how a universe like structures could come into existence. Let's start with dark matter candidates, Axioms , Wimps. Sterile neutrinos.

"A Ryton is a subatomic particle that has a weak mass and a weak positive charge associated with it, giving rise to a weak electric field. Making them somewhat different to the other dark matter candidates.

These particles form a volume of space with a uniformed mass and energy density. each Ryton is separated from one another by its weak positive electric field, forming a Ryton Cluster.

To the best of my knowledge 3 of the forces including the strong nuclear force, the electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear forces are not effected by such a particle field and with the exception of gravity , the only change is from the curving of space time to a distortion of the ryton cluster by mass. 

I Have tried to simplify things in a presentation you can find @ url deleted

[Bufofrog]

10 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

These particles form a volume of space with a uniformed mass and energy density. each Ryton is separated from one another by its weak positive electric field, forming a Ryton Cluster.

How could particles form a volume of space?

The observations of dark matter indicate that it does not form an uniform mass and energy density, so that sort of sinks your idea.

10 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

A Ryton is a subatomic particle that has a weak mass and a weak positive charge associated with it

I assume when you say 'a weak mass', you mean a weak gravitational attraction.  How weak is the gravitational attraction?  How weak is the positive charge?  If all the Rytons are positively charged why don't they repel each other and flying apart?

[Mordred]

12 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

 

I Have tried to simplify things in a presentation you can find @ url deleted

One of our rules is that all material pertaining to your theory be posted here as much as feasible. Our members should not need to go to another site to examine your model.

Another rule is testable rigor, that will invariably involve the relevant mathematics. Judging from the above I'm going to assume you have little to none in that regard. However just from the above. If Ryton particles has a weak electromagnetic interaction then that would not match observational evidence relevant to dark matter. Your particles would have a tendency to clutter and will not maintain uniform mass distribution due to its charged nature.

[swansont]

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12 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

These particles form a volume of space with a uniformed mass and energy density. each Ryton is separated from one another by its weak positive electric field, forming a Ryton Cluster.

To the best of my knowledge 3 of the forces including the strong nuclear force, the electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear forces are not effected by such a particle field and with the exception of gravity , the only change is from the curving of space time to a distortion of the ryton cluster by mass. 

Why wouldn’t charged particles, subject to the electromagnetic force, be affected by a “positive electric field”?

What is the charge of a ryton?

[fluctusequitantes]

11 hours ago, Bufofrog said:

How could particles form a volume of space?

The observations of dark matter indicate that it does not form an uniform mass and energy density, so that sort of sinks your idea.

I assume when you say 'a weak mass', you mean a weak gravitational attraction.  How weak is the gravitational attraction?  How weak is the positive charge?  If all the Rytons are positively charged why don't they repel each other and flying apart?

They do repel each other, it's like if you had a handful of positive magnetic monopoles, and placed them on a flat sheet of paper, they wouldn't fly apart, they would space eachother out. 

The Rytons are a lower entropy form of higher energy particles outside of the cluster. When they lose energy , they gain mass and lose most of there charge. 

This is what I speculate our universe was created in. With some outside force , putting work into the cluster and heating it up. 

It wouldn't fly apart as each ryton is being pushed against. You push on one, it may move alittle but you might as well be pushing on every single ryton Infront of it.

Weak gravitational attraction, sort of , There's the mass of the Rytons in the cluster which is uniformed, and its that matter in our universe is what distorts the cluster. 

10 hours ago, swansont said:

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Why wouldn’t charged particles, subject to the electromagnetic force, be affected by a “positive electric field”?

What is the charge of a ryton?

Yes but not in a negative way, first we need to look at the electrostatic force. if we take a proton or positively charged particle it would be accelerated though the cluster, while negatively charged particles like electrons would be pulled on. 

Putting anything negatively charged inside the cluster will attract the moving positively charged particles to it. The electron will then start to orbit the proton as it's being pushed on by the surrounding Rytons. Then the electromagnetic force takes over and binds the two together. 

The pulling on the electron also has the added benefit of restraining the electron , instead of it just flying away. Driving the creation of atoms.

 

11 hours ago, Mordred said:

One of our rules is that all material pertaining to your theory be posted here as much as feasible. Our members should not need to go to another site to examine your model.

Another rule is testable rigor, that will invariably involve the relevant mathematics. Judging from the above I'm going to assume you have little to none in that regard. However just from the above. If Ryton particles has a weak electromagnetic interaction then that would not match observational evidence relevant to dark matter. Your particles would have a tendency to clutter and will not maintain uniform mass distribution due to its charged nature.

They have electric fields, so are not electromagnetic. If you where to go into a empty part of space, you would measure a constant positive electric field in all directions. Which would be hard to measure as you might mistake it as the baseline for your mesurements.

[Bufofrog]

2 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

They do repel each other, it's like if you had a handful of positive magnetic monopoles, and placed them on a flat sheet of paper, they wouldn't fly apart, they would space eachother out.

The only reason they stop moving apart is the friction from the paper there is no friction in space the particles would fly apart from each other and continue to move away from each other.

 

2 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

When they lose energy , they gain mass and lose most of there charge. 

How does a particle gain mass because it lost energy?  How can a particle lose 'most' of it's charge when it loses energy.  None of this makes any sense.

 

[fluctusequitantes]

19 hours ago, swansont said:

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Why wouldn’t charged particles, subject to the electromagnetic force, be affected by a “positive electric field”?

What is the charge of a ryton?

Sorry made a mistake in my reply.

The electron will then start to orbit the proton as it's being pulled not pushed on by the surrounding Rytons. Then the electromagnetic force takes over and binds the two together. 

[swansont]

10 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

Putting anything negatively charged inside the cluster will attract the moving positively charged particles to it. The electron will then start to orbit the proton as it's being pushed on by the surrounding Rytons. Then the electromagnetic force takes over and binds the two together. 

Protons and electrons would be pushed in opposite directions by this electric field. i.e. pushed apart.

10 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

They have electric fields, so are not electromagnetic.

If it has an electric field it is by definition electromagnetic 

[fluctusequitantes]

4 hours ago, swansont said:

Protons and electrons would be pushed in opposite directions by this electric field. i.e. pushed apart.

If it has an electric field it is by definition electromagnetic 

Nope , would do that a stardard electric field. With positive and negative. However this is just positive. 

I didn't want to use the word electromagnetic as they are stationary electric fields. Could cause some confusion. 

I have uploaded a image of a proposed electric field.

[swansont]

10 minutes ago, fluctusequitantes said:

Nope , would do that a stardard electric field. With positive and negative. However this is just positive. 

A proton and electron would accelerate in opposite directions in an electric field.

F= qE (positive meaning directed in the +x direction) 

An electric field can’t be both positive and negative at a given point.

[Bufofrog]

26 minutes ago, fluctusequitantes said:

I have uploaded a image of a proposed electric field.

The image clearly shows that the positive charges would repel each other and fly apart.  More to the point there is no way that these charges as you drew them would ever form that configuration.

I still would like you to address my earlier questions:

13 hours ago, Bufofrog said:

How does a particle gain mass because it lost energy?  How can a particle lose 'most' of it's charge when it loses energy?

 

[fluctusequitantes]

12 hours ago, Bufofrog said:

The only reason they stop moving apart is the friction from the paper there is no friction in space the particles would fly apart from each other and continue to move away from each other.

 

How does a particle gain mass because it lost energy?  How can a particle lose 'most' of it's charge when it loses energy.  None of this makes any sense.

 

My apologies, you are correct , it was late when I replied back. It's rest mass stays constant. 

Yes they would fly apart if they where in space, but they make up the space.

[Bufofrog]

1 minute ago, fluctusequitantes said:

My apologies, you are correct , it was late when I replied back. It's rest mass stays constant.

No problem.  So the particles don't gain mass when they lose energy, how about your claim that the particles lose most of their charge when they lose energy?

5 minutes ago, fluctusequitantes said:

Yes they would fly apart if they where in space, but they make up the space.

How do particles make up space?  That sounds like an oxymoron.

[Mordred]

4 hours ago, fluctusequitantes said:

Nope , would do that a stardard electric field. With positive and negative. However this is just positive. 

 

Then its not an electric field either.

An electric has known and well understood properties if you change any of those properties its no longer the same field.

From what I read though perhaps a terminology change might be order. Perhaps a monopole field though no monopolies have ever been discovered they are still viable.

Better yet as it only contains your Ryton particles call it a Ryton field.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Mordred