The Hell of Logic.

[disobey]

  Not that logic is hell.  But I have found that the average political forum views logical thought as hell.  And will ban you for using it.  For example, let's take a logical look at the topic of "racism."  If racism is wrong, what is wrong about it should be easy enough to point out.  So that if anybody came along and said something racist, what is wrong with that point of view could be pointed out.  Therefore settling the matter.  But the vast majority of forums won't let you say racist things.  The only logical conclusion as to why is because there is nothing wrong about such statements to be pointed out.  So if it isn't wrong, that must mean it is good.

  While I'm here, I may as well bring up another topic.  The holocaust.  If the holocaust happened, it should be easy enough to prove that it happened.  So if anybody said things to deny that the holocaust happened, it should be easy enough to prove that it did in fact happen.  But most forums won't let you deny the holocaust.  The logical conclusion as to why is because it in fact didn't happen.  Otherwise they would let you deny it and be proven wrong.  On that last note, I will show you something said by Roseanne Barr.  Who is Jewish.  What a moderator told me at another forum was that what she said was taken out of context.  (Before he banned me)  But look at how she says what she says.  She was being serious.  As if that wasn't enough, I watched enough of the interview to know that what she said wasn't taken out of context.  Also, the way she described how most businesses operate was spot on.  That aside, here is the clip.  Strangely enough, this can no longer is shown directly in the internet.  What is shown is a lot of damage control and plain BS on the matter.

 

 

 

 

[swansont]

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Moderator Note

Advocating for racism or holocaust denial is going to result in a very quick exit for you. Trying to appeal to some crappy logic is not a mitigating factor 

 

[mistermack]

14 minutes ago, disobey said:

The only logical conclusion as to why is because there is nothing wrong about such statements to be pointed out.  So if it isn't wrong, that must mean it is good.

Ha ha, you call that logic? There are only two states, good or wrong? And using words like "prove" ? You don't seem to have a clue about logic, that rant is school child level. 

[TheVat]

My conjecture is that forums don't so much ban holocaust denial as they require such extraordinary claims be backed with evidence or withdrawn.  Given the abundant evidence for the Holocaust, including Allied footage, mass graves, testimony of survivors and soldiers and German officers, government documents, forensic analysis, intact gas chambers and crematory ovens (which my partner saw herself, when her German mother took her to see), and numerous other lines of evidence, I feel there's a pretty high bar set for countering evidence.  A good friend in high school had an uncle who still had a number tatooed on his arm, from his time in a concentration camp.  People were stamped with numbers.  Like cattle.  I asked him if he ever wanted to have it removed and he said absolutely not.  He wanted people to remember.  He was a real mensch.

[CharonY]

55 minutes ago, TheVat said:

Given the abundant evidence for the Holocaust, including Allied footage, mass graves, testimony of survivors and soldiers and German officers, government documents, forensic analysis, intact gas chambers and crematory ovens (which my partner saw herself, when her German mother took her to see),

Also piles of teeth, hair, items made of hair as well as the leftover belongings of the victims (suitcases, glasses, rings and everything else they pillaged from the bodies). 

In Germany school classes would have exchange with Poland and we would go to Auschwitz (or other memorials) to see the exhibits, clean the paths and spend time thinking about it. It seems that others would benefit from it, too.

[exchemist]

5 hours ago, disobey said:

  Not that logic is hell.  But I have found that the average political forum views logical thought as hell.  And will ban you for using it.  For example, let's take a logical look at the topic of "racism."  If racism is wrong, what is wrong about it should be easy enough to point out.  So that if anybody came along and said something racist, what is wrong with that point of view could be pointed out.  Therefore settling the matter.  But the vast majority of forums won't let you say racist things.  The only logical conclusion as to why is because there is nothing wrong about such statements to be pointed out.  So if it isn't wrong, that must mean it is good.

  While I'm here, I may as well bring up another topic.  The holocaust.  If the holocaust happened, it should be easy enough to prove that it happened.  So if anybody said things to deny that the holocaust happened, it should be easy enough to prove that it did in fact happen.  But most forums won't let you deny the holocaust.  The logical conclusion as to why is because it in fact didn't happen.  Otherwise they would let you deny it and be proven wrong.  On that last note, I will show you something said by Roseanne Barr.  Who is Jewish.  What a moderator told me at another forum was that what she said was taken out of context.  (Before he banned me)  But look at how she says what she says.  She was being serious.  As if that wasn't enough, I watched enough of the interview to know that what she said wasn't taken out of context.  Also, the way she described how most businesses operate was spot on.  That aside, here is the clip.  Strangely enough, this can no longer is shown directly in the internet.  What is shown is a lot of damage control and plain BS on the matter.

 

 

 

 

Your logic is flawed. Another possibility is that forums don’t wish to waste time pointing out what is wrong with racist or holocaust-denying statements. We are not under any moral obligation to pay attention to the ravings of every nutter on the street corner. If we did, forums would be cluttered with tedious junk, of no interest to members. We’ve got better things to do than point out why offensive statements and badly argued positions  are so.

If you’ve been banned a lot it will be because you are an annoying bore, and/or the forums in question don’t want to be associated with your ideas.

Why not try Truth Social or something? There are plenty of outlets for unpleasant cranks these days.

[Sensei]

5 hours ago, disobey said:

If racism is wrong, what is wrong about it should be easy enough to point out. 

If you are not completely dumb, it is easy enough to figure out why racism is wrong..

 

5 hours ago, disobey said:

But the vast majority of forums won't let you say racist things. 

Why should they let you to do so.. ?

Forums, like any website, have owners. These owners set the rules for joining subscriptions.

 

Do you let people who offend you, your family, or your friends, to enter your house (aka "website"/"forum").. ? I don't think so..

Thus, if someone misbehaves, they are asked to leave your property..

 

 

Site owners make money from ads. If a company that advertises on a site sees that their ads are linked to complete crap, they give up that opportunity.. To not being linked with it.. Completely understandable and natural.

Major companies which paid for ads, quit Twitter when the dumbest billionaire on the world, let extremist make from it a swamp of hatred..

[disobey]

22 hours ago, swansont said:

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Moderator Note

Advocating for racism or holocaust denial is going to result in a very quick exit for you. Trying to appeal to some crappy logic is not a mitigating factor 

 

 

  Indeed.  The hell of logic.  A bitch, isn't it.

22 hours ago, mistermack said:

Ha ha, you call that logic? There are only two states, good or wrong? And using words like "prove" ? You don't seem to have a clue about logic, that rant is school child level. 

 Well, it seems that it was logical enough to befuddle you.  So what are you.  A fetus?

19 hours ago, TheVat said:

My conjecture is that forums don't so much ban holocaust denial as they require such extraordinary claims be backed with evidence or withdrawn.  Given the abundant evidence for the Holocaust, including Allied footage, mass graves, testimony of survivors and soldiers and German officers, government documents, forensic analysis, intact gas chambers and crematory ovens (which my partner saw herself, when her German mother took her to see), and numerous other lines of evidence, I feel there's a pretty high bar set for countering evidence.  A good friend in high school had an uncle who still had a number tatooed on his arm, from his time in a concentration camp.  People were stamped with numbers.  Like cattle.  I asked him if he ever wanted to have it removed and he said absolutely not.  He wanted people to remember.  He was a real mensch.

 

  I'm pretty sure you saw my thread, "How wrong are you."  Why is it so hard for you to understand.  For whatever you think is right or true, chances are the complete opposite is actually the case.  In this instance, history is written by the victors.  And you better believe it.  OR ELSE!  But I disobey.  While it lasts, seek out my thread here in the philosophy section called, "Where are the seekers of truth."  You better do it quick.  I don't expect it to last long.

18 hours ago, CharonY said:

Also piles of teeth, hair, items made of hair as well as the leftover belongings of the victims (suitcases, glasses, rings and everything else they pillaged from the bodies). 

In Germany school classes would have exchange with Poland and we would go to Auschwitz (or other memorials) to see the exhibits, clean the paths and spend time thinking about it. It seems that others would benefit from it, too.

 

  Did the holocaust happen?  You should have seen my thread about logic.  If it did happen, you should be able to say it didn't.  Because you could then be proven wrong.  But denying it isn't allowed around here.  So the logical conclusion as to why is because it in fact didn't happen.  (Just as Roseanne Barr said)  Now I'm not sayiong it didn't happen.  What I am saying is that the actions of this forum in a logical way is saying it didn't happen.  Make of that what you will.

17 hours ago, exchemist said:

Your logic is flawed. Another possibility is that forums don’t wish to waste time pointing out what is wrong with racist or holocaust-denying statements. We are not under any moral obligation to pay attention to the ravings of every nutter on the street corner. If we did, forums would be cluttered with tedious junk, of no interest to members. We’ve got better things to do than point out why offensive statements and badly argued positions  are so.

If you’ve been banned a lot it will be because you are an annoying bore, and/or the forums in question don’t want to be associated with your ideas.

Why not try Truth Social or something? There are plenty of outlets for unpleasant cranks these days.

 

  My logic is spot on.  Only those who have become accustomed to delusion would think otherwise.  Next, try this on for size.  Though I haven't done it here, at other forums I have denied the holocaust.  You speak of wasting your time?  Hundreds of people at many forums over the years have tried to refute what I had to say.  THEY ALL FAILED!!!  Miserably.  Oh how I wish I could tell you the real truth.  On MANY matters.  If only it were allowed and if only you weren't programmed to disregard it.  Just as any cult follower would do.

17 hours ago, Sensei said:

If you are not completely dumb, it is easy enough to figure out why racism is wrong..

 

Why should they let you to do so.. ?

Forums, like any website, have owners. These owners set the rules for joining subscriptions.

 

Do you let people who offend you, your family, or your friends, to enter your house (aka "website"/"forum").. ? I don't think so..

Thus, if someone misbehaves, they are asked to leave your property..

 

 

Site owners make money from ads. If a company that advertises on a site sees that their ads are linked to complete crap, they give up that opportunity.. To not being linked with it.. Completely understandable and natural.

Major companies which paid for ads, quit Twitter when the dumbest billionaire on the world, let extremist make from it a swamp of hatred..

  Those who deny freedom of speech are scum.  Tell me more of how you enjoy being at a scum forum.

[Sensei]

34 minutes ago, disobey said:

  Those who deny freedom of speech are scum.  Tell me more of how you enjoy being at a scum forum.

..you can buy a server, install forum software on it, and allow subscribers to say anything, including offensive things towards you..

I'm skeptical that you would let them do that.

When criminals start using your forum and server to share child pornography, zoophilia, extremism of all kinds, you'll learn why forums have moderators who ban people for sharing such content..

Edited August 4, 2023 by Sensei

[TheVat]

38 minutes ago, disobey said:

Did the holocaust happen?  You should have seen my thread about logic.  If it did happen, you should be able to say it didn't.  Because you could then be proven wrong.  But denying it isn't allowed around here.  So the logical conclusion as to why is because it in fact didn't happen. 

And yet, here you are denying it and I (sadly) am reading it.  And then you are getting replies (very patient ones) pointing towards multiple lines of evidence that do not support your denial.  

Perhaps the reason some are not clamoring to answer your theory with careful arguments is that they feel it's a bit like proving WW2 happened.  

I suppose there could have been deep philosophical minds wandering through the wreckage in London, hatching arcane theories of WW2 not happening, all just a big hoax, but I doubt they got very far in the intellectual world of postwar Britain.  Most likely they were escorted to mental hospitals.

BTW, it's common for people harboring delusions to insist that anyone who disagrees with them is delusional.  An insistence on your own facts and logic, mysteriously different from the facts and logic of others, is a common feature of mental illness.   Perhaps some candid self-reflection would do you good.  

[swansont]

1 hour ago, disobey said:

Did the holocaust happen?  You should have seen my thread about logic.  If it did happen, you should be able to say it didn't.  Because you could then be proven wrong.  But denying it isn't allowed around here.  So the logical conclusion as to why is because it in fact didn't happen.  (Just as Roseanne Barr said)  Now I'm not sayiong it didn't happen.  What I am saying is that the actions of this forum in a logical way is saying it didn't happen.  Make of that what you will.

It happened, and if you know that and say that it didn’t, you are lying.

If you don’t know, you are ignorant, and saying it didn’t happen is a misrepresentation, because you are saying you know something you don’t. But the burden is on you to educate yourself. 

If you make the argument, there really isn’t a scenario where you can say that it didn’t happen that isn’t an argument in bad faith. It doesn't really matter what your motivation is - whether you have an agenda, whether you are trolling, whatever - there’s little chance if convincing you otherwise, and we don’t want to waste time on it.

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Well, it seems that it was logical enough to befuddle you.  So what are you.  A fetus?

And arguing by belittling others is another tactic that’s not going to fly.

[exchemist]

7 hours ago, disobey said:

 

  Indeed.  The hell of logic.  A bitch, isn't it.

 Well, it seems that it was logical enough to befuddle you.  So what are you.  A fetus?

 

  I'm pretty sure you saw my thread, "How wrong are you."  Why is it so hard for you to understand.  For whatever you think is right or true, chances are the complete opposite is actually the case.  In this instance, history is written by the victors.  And you better believe it.  OR ELSE!  But I disobey.  While it lasts, seek out my thread here in the philosophy section called, "Where are the seekers of truth."  You better do it quick.  I don't expect it to last long.

 

  Did the holocaust happen?  You should have seen my thread about logic.  If it did happen, you should be able to say it didn't.  Because you could then be proven wrong.  But denying it isn't allowed around here.  So the logical conclusion as to why is because it in fact didn't happen.  (Just as Roseanne Barr said)  Now I'm not sayiong it didn't happen.  What I am saying is that the actions of this forum in a logical way is saying it didn't happen.  Make of that what you will.

 

  My logic is spot on.  Only those who have become accustomed to delusion would think otherwise.  Next, try this on for size.  Though I haven't done it here, at other forums I have denied the holocaust.  You speak of wasting your time?  Hundreds of people at many forums over the years have tried to refute what I had to say.  THEY ALL FAILED!!!  Miserably.  Oh how I wish I could tell you the real truth.  On MANY matters.  If only it were allowed and if only you weren't programmed to disregard it.  Just as any cult follower would do.

  Those who deny freedom of speech are scum.  Tell me more of how you enjoy being at a scum forum.

Bye bye.😁

[Phi for All]

14 hours ago, disobey said:

Hundreds of people at many forums over the years have tried to refute what I had to say.  THEY ALL FAILED!!!  Miserably. 

So, you don't listen to anyone. I can believe that. I've seen the pattern in your writing. Not to attack you personally, your argument style is pretty much yelling while your fingers are inserted firmly in your ears. I don't know why you go to DISCUSSION forums when it's obvious you're hate blogging. Why would anyone want to discuss complicated issues with you? It sounds like hundreds of people have already wasted a LOT of time trying to talk to you. For us here, it's all about the ideas, and yours are total crap, no joke. 

[swansont]

On 8/3/2023 at 7:26 PM, disobey said:

Tell me more of how you enjoy being at a scum forum.

Of which you are a member, and joined voluntarily.

[exchemist]

1 hour ago, swansont said:

Of which you are a member, and joined voluntarily.

Seems strange behaviour for a person  sign up to a club - and then immediately start complaining about the rules they've just agreed to. 

[John Cuthber]

Just now, exchemist said:

Seems strange behaviour for a person  sign up to a club - and then immediately start complaining about the rules they've just agreed to. 

Stranger still when they start telling everyone that they are the only  one who understands logic...

[swansont]

1 hour ago, exchemist said:

Seems strange behaviour for a person  sign up to a club - and then immediately start complaining about the rules they've just agreed to. 

Also to rail about how everyone should be free to say anything, and then whine about being insulted.

[iNow]

I reckon this aligns with how employees at the various companies Elon Musk takes over feel. Sadly for them, they can’t show him the door and on his merry way.