geordief Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66964430 "This year's Nobel Prize in Physics rewards experiments with light that capture "the shortest of moments" and opened a window on the world of electrons." Seems like a very big deal.They seem to be saying that practical or theoretical consequences may be in the pipeline. Does anyone here have an understanding on the ongoing research into this field?
joigus Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) I've just received an email from a friend who's working on the theoretical part of the same stuff these people are doing. These are the people who've made attosecond-short (10-18 seconds) pulses of light a reality. The record is in 25 attoseconds. People already call "attoseconds" a fraction-of-a-femtosecond-short pulse of light. The one 25-attoseconds-short already allows you to see electrons moving. Amazing. Edited October 4, 2023 by joigus minor correction
Genady Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, joigus said: allows you to see electrons moving It is an amazing achievement. Did they see anything unexpected?
joigus Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Genady said: It is an amazing achievement. Did they see anything unexpected? I'm asking my friend, see what he tells me. He's a university professor and a researcher in non-linear optics, so he should know... BTW, @geordief, a clarification on what I meant before: A femtosecond would be 10-15 seconds. People in the field already call a 0.999 fs short pulse an "attosecond", even though it's almost 1000 attos (a femto). In the meantime, looking up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrashort_pulse You find, Quote See also[edit] Attosecond chronoscopy Bandwidth-limited pulse Femtochemistry Frequency comb Medical imaging: Ultrashort laser pulses are used in multiphoton fluorescence microscopes Optical communication (Ultrashort pulses) Filtering and Pulse Shaping. Terahertz (T-rays) generation and detection. Ultrafast laser spectroscopy Wave packet Which, I think, must have the answer to our question.
Danijel Gorupec Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 Does it mean they are using gamma ray lasers? Can you see anything in gamma light without destroying it?
Genady Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, joigus said: to see electrons moving What does it mean? How do the moving electrons appear?
geordief Posted October 4, 2023 Author Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Genady said: What does it mean? How do the moving electrons appear? A very uneducated guess is that you can run two stills of the scene (one immediately following another) like when they first invented the movies and you could see a lady undressing or a horse galloping(so I have heard) . It should show "movement" on the small scale.
joigus Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, Genady said: What does it mean? How do the moving electrons appear? I'm guessing that's a piece of journalistic lingo. Sorry, it's not my claim, it's my friend's. He seems to have picked it up from the newsreel. It's not like he wrote it trying to be rigorous. It does sound akin to some kind of stroboscopic view, like @geordief suggests.
joigus Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Genady said: What does it mean? How do the moving electrons appear? OK. So here's what my friend tells me. Keep in mind it's not a technical explanation..., Quote Sí, claro, se hace, con su incertidumbre. De hecho ven como los electrones se van moviendo de un átomo a otro para formar una molécula, tengo entendido. Es que es un poco mi tema, bueno, los pulsos de attosegundos en sí mismos, no su utilidad para la interacción con la materia y ver electrones <Translation> Yes, sure. They do it with their uncertainties. They actually see how electrons go from one atom to another to form a molecule, as I understand. It's kind of my topic. Well.., the attosecond pulses themselves, not their utility concerning interactions with matter and watching electrons. </end of translation> Maybe the "see" and "watch" had better be put in quotation marks, or something like that.
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