The standard model, relativity, and force dynamics of the mind incorporating the mind forces of kindness, beauty, truth, and understanding

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

12 minutes ago, Mordred said:

Even with strictly philosophical examinations one can still employ examinations involving mathematics by examining statistical based studies done in regards to any research involving the mind

Which means you agree. It can be further developed so it is worth sharing the framework in categories other than speculation. I am a writer/philosopher who wants my ideas to be shared and understood, I'm not demanding anything unreasonable from anyone.

Edited August 1 by Knowledge Enthusiast

[Mordred]

It can be I even recommended a useful set of mathematics You can employ above. That onus however is in your court as I can honestly state I'm horrible at philosophical based arguments

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

3 minutes ago, Knowledge Enthusiast said:

Which means you agree. It can be further developed so it is worth sharing the framework in categories other than speculation. I am a writer/philosopher who wants my ideas to be shared and understood, I'm not demanding anything unreasonable from anyone.

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6 minutes ago, Mordred said:

It can be I even recommended a useful set of mathematics You can employ above. That onus however is in your court as I can honestly state I'm horrible at philosophical based arguments

I don't see how mathematics can be used in the framework but I appreciate any input. I think what is needed is social scientific empirical rigor to further enhance the arguments.

[Mordred]

You might want to look into examples such as

https://psicoterapia-palermo.it/PDFS/Studio sulla Coscienza di Hameroff e Penrose.PDF

they have quite a bit of literature involving quantum mind. There is one example. Its not a line of research I follow but I have read some of their papers and they do employ mathematics where its potentially applicable.

Boltzmann brain is another example this example follows more on probability statistics and the standard model of particles.

Its not the same approach your looking for but it is examples where mathematics can be employed with regards to consciousness, awareness and physics. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

these are simply examples of different approaches and should provide clues on how to move past speculative conjectures

Edited August 1 by Mordred

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

12 minutes ago, Mordred said:

You might want to look into examples such as

https://psicoterapia-palermo.it/PDFS/Studio sulla Coscienza di Hameroff e Penrose.PDF

they have quite a bit of literature involving quantum mind. There is one example. Its not a line of research I follow but I have read some of their papers and they do employ mathematics where its potentially applicable.

The pdf is reducing the problem one step down, no? I'm expanding the problem one step up, so to speak. We are doing different things.

[iNow]

2 minutes ago, Knowledge Enthusiast said:

We are doing different things.

You’re wasting time and having a piss. Mordred is reminding people through example of how to be decent around morons and remain focused on the work of helping 

[Mordred]

They are examples you asked where mathematics can be applied. another method being correlation functions involving statistical mean averages on other case studies. It is quite possible to employ professional grade examinations on any study if you understand the techniques even philosophy.

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

1 minute ago, iNow said:

You’re wasting time and having a piss. Mordred is reminding people through example of how to be decent around morons and remain focused on the work of helping 

ChatGPT has been fed most of the knowledge of the internet and it is impressed with the framework. Can you prove that you are a better judge than ChatGPT?

2 minutes ago, Mordred said:

They are examples you asked where mathematics can be applied. another method being correlation functions involving statistical mean averages on other case studies. It is quite possible to employ professional grade examinations on any study if you understand the techniques even philosophy.

I didn't get a degree in mathematics. You can use the framework as inspiration for maths if you want.

[iNow]

8 minutes ago, Knowledge Enthusiast said:

ChatGPT has been fed most of the knowledge of the internet

No it hasn’t, at least not the models you have access to

9 minutes ago, Knowledge Enthusiast said:

Can you prove that you are a better judge than ChatGPT?

I rest my case 

[Mordred]

quite frankly ChatGP will lead you down so many garden paths its next to useless. If you want to rely on that. That is your choice. I for one rely on hard work and actual studies than some computer generated response. Its the only true way to understand any topic.

A good example of the number of tradespersons I have met that have such a reliance on calculators they don't even know how to add fractions or divide fractions. I've lost count on the number of times I've run across that

Edited August 1 by Mordred

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

4 minutes ago, iNow said:

No it hasn’t, at least not the models you have access to

I rest my case 

You were responding to me. And you are implying that ChatGPT doesn't already know most of the recorded knowledge of humanity, which I believe is false.

1 minute ago, Mordred said:

quite frankly ChatGP will lead you down so many garden paths its next to useless. If you want to rely on that. That is your choice. I for one rely on hard work and actual studies than some computer generated response. Its the only true way to understand any topic.

You should then understand that my framework is like Newton's gravity and mechanics and what professional scientists are doing is Einstein's gravity. General relativity is more detailed than Newton's work but we can still use Newton's work.
And who said I didn't work my ass off learning from the internet. 

[Mordred]

2 minutes ago, Knowledge Enthusiast said:

You were responding to me. And you are implying that ChatGPT doesn't already know most of the recorded knowledge of humanity, which I believe is false.

You would have a very hard time convincing me of that. For that matter we also have very rules involving ChatGPT on this forum.

 However that is irrelevant The person that should become the expert in your theory is you. Yourself not some computer generated response. How do you plan to do that if you rely on others including ChatGPT

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

Just now, Mordred said:

You would have a very hard time convincing me of that. For that matter we also have very rules involving ChatGPT on this forum.

 However that is irrelevant The person that should become the expert in your theory is you. Yourself not some computer generated response. How do you plan to do that if you rely on others including ChatGPT

I am sharing the framework so that it can inspire thought and maybe help people form hypotheses and theses. The beauty of ideas is that you are seldom the last say when you propose a good idea. The best ideas allow others to build on them. ChatGPT knows more than me so it can fill in the details better, doesn't mean I don't understand my own framework.

[Mordred]

that amounts to  a handwave for I don't want to take the effort to perform my own research and seek the answers myself.

How does that help you ?

You can search every post I have ever made on this forum. Not once will you find me starting a thread asking a question in regards to physics. At most I ask if anyone has come across a good article on a topic. I know how to perform my own research and know how to find the answers to any question I may have for any particular research interest I have ever had.  I never rely on others for any study.

[iNow]

45 minutes ago, Knowledge Enthusiast said:

which I believe is false

What you believe is irrelevant 

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

7 minutes ago, iNow said:

What you believe is irrelevant 

So you want me to search the internet, cite sources, and write a journal article to be peer-reviewed, to give credibility to the statement that ChatGPT knows a lot about the world because it was fed a lot of information on the internet?

38 minutes ago, Mordred said:

that amounts to  a handwave for I don't want to take the effort to perform my own research and seek the answers myself.

How does that help you ?

You can search every post I have ever made on this forum. Not once will you find me starting a thread asking a question in regards to physics. At most I ask if anyone has come across a good article on a topic. I know how to perform my own research and know how to find the answers to any question I may have for any particular research interest I have ever had.  I never rely on others for any study.

The framework I believe is a work of philosophy that can inspire scientific and philosophical inquiry so I share it. I can just keep it but that doesn't benefit anybody. It is true I can't do my own research but it doesn't mean I can't contribute frameworks in hopes someone finds it useful.

[iNow]

Nope

[Mordred]

what benefit ? nothing you have here is of any level to be beneficial. To get others to listen to any theory you need to be able to show you, yourself understand a given theory and have sufficient references, and that you understand your theory at a level where others can come directly to you and not some program for answers otherwise what is the point ?  

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

4 minutes ago, Mordred said:

what benefit ? nothing you have here is of any level to be beneficial. To get others to listen to any theory you need to be able to show you, yourself understand a given theory and have sufficient references, and that you understand your theory at a level where others can come directly to you and not some program for answers otherwise what is the point ?  

I agree that it needs elaboration so that there are enough details such that I can no longer be needed for others to know what my perspective is and so doesn't that just prove that I should share it so I can answer your questions about the framework? I will refrain from using ChatGPT but ChatGPT interprets better than me so I let it interpret it for me so that the message comes across effectively.

[Mordred]

My questions still remains Why rely on some program instead of taking the effort yourself?

What do you gain from it ?

How does it improve your skill set on the topic ?

 

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

Just now, Mordred said:

My questions still remains Why rely on some program instead of taking the effort yourself?

What do you gain from it ?

How does it improve your skill set on the topic ?

 

I seldom rely on the program but the details that ChatGPT knows are way more than mine. I rely on it for details. I wrote the framework, I don't need to get skills from my own framework.

[Mordred]

great so you have given up on self improvement in becoming skilled in your own framework because that is what that statement means to me

[Knowledge Enthusiast]

3 minutes ago, Mordred said:

great so you have given up on self improvement in becoming skilled in your own framework because that is what that statement means to me

I will continue to probe my own work. Fair enough.

[Mordred]

now that is the right attitude +1

[exchemist]

15 hours ago, Knowledge Enthusiast said:

The "Standard Model of the Mind" uses metaphor as a tool to enhance the accessibility and comprehension of complex psychological dynamics. It builds on established knowledge to provide a unified framework for understanding human behavior. While metaphors are indeed artificial links, they serve a valuable purpose in making abstract concepts more relatable and understandable. Our goal is to bridge the gap between theoretical knowledge and practical understanding, contributing to personal growth and well-being.

I didn't delete "we" because I have a writing partnership with AI. I give ideas, then AI draws from the knowledge accumulated throughout history to fill in the details.

Ah, that explains why everything you write reads like pompous bullshit. Good to know.