exchemist Posted January 2, 2024 Posted January 2, 2024 On 1/1/2024 at 8:04 PM, StringJunky said: Do they mix/miscible without separating? Expand I don’t know but I would expect the solubility to be quite good. I’m not sure I would expect full miscibility, as the alkyl group of butyric acid is quite big and might reduce the hydrogen bonding of propylene glycol too much.
StringJunky Posted January 2, 2024 Author Posted January 2, 2024 On 1/2/2024 at 3:23 PM, exchemist said: I don’t know but I would expect the solubility to be quite good. I’m not sure I would expect full miscibility, as the alkyl group of butyric acid is quite big and might reduce the hydrogen bonding of propylene glycol too much. Expand Thanks for answering. I did it, no layers can be seen and optically clear. It was about 10% by volume BA in to PG. I'm finding PG is a good food solvent and sort of bridge between polar and non-polar ingredients; letting them sit together better.
exchemist Posted January 2, 2024 Posted January 2, 2024 On 1/2/2024 at 10:02 PM, StringJunky said: Thanks for answering. I did it, no layers can be seen and optically clear. It was about 10% by volume BA in to PG. I'm finding PG is a good food solvent and sort of bridge between polar and non-polar ingredients; letting them sit together better. Expand What are you doing with butyric acid, if you don't mind me asking. It's got a pretty horrible smell (rancid butter, vomit etc).
StringJunky Posted January 2, 2024 Author Posted January 2, 2024 On 1/2/2024 at 10:25 PM, exchemist said: What are you doing with butyric acid, if you don't mind me asking. It's got a pretty horrible smell (rancid butter, vomit etc). Expand Making fish attractors. They are strongly attracted to that end of the chemical sphere. 1
exchemist Posted January 2, 2024 Posted January 2, 2024 On 1/2/2024 at 10:35 PM, StringJunky said: Making fish attractors. They are strongly attracted to that end of the chemical sphere. Expand Ah yes, according to Wiki that is indeed one of the applications for it. Hope you don't spill any on your clothes. 1
StringJunky Posted January 2, 2024 Author Posted January 2, 2024 On 1/2/2024 at 10:56 PM, exchemist said: Ah yes, according to Wiki that is indeed one of the applications for it. Hope you don't spill any on your clothes. Expand It's in two containers. Well aware it likes to hang around.
StringJunky Posted January 4, 2024 Author Posted January 4, 2024 @exchemistI just added some 8-carbon octanoic acid, which doesn't want to mingle with PG. Is there a surfactant that will make them miscible? I think I'm looking to making a stable suspension, rather than solution.
StringJunky Posted January 4, 2024 Author Posted January 4, 2024 On 1/4/2024 at 10:35 PM, chenbeier said: Try Polyethylenglycole 10000 Expand Will look into PEG10000. Thanks. On 1/4/2024 at 10:35 PM, chenbeier said: Try Polyethylenglycole 10000 Expand Is there a particular reason for PEG10000? It seems to be solid at ambient temps and I'd like it to stay liquid in the single digits temperature-wise. Would a lower weight version be better for my use?
chenbeier Posted January 5, 2024 Posted January 5, 2024 Can try with lower molar weight. But your acid is liquid. Can dissolve it. 1
npts2020 Posted January 5, 2024 Posted January 5, 2024 It's interesting Butyric Acid is a fairly common ingredient in fragrance making. I have heard it said that every good fragrance has at least one awful ingredient, tho...
StringJunky Posted January 6, 2024 Author Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) On 1/5/2024 at 11:56 PM, npts2020 said: It's interesting Butyric Acid is a fairly common ingredient in fragrance making. I have heard it said that every good fragrance has at least one awful ingredient, tho... Expand It's all about the concentration in the air. Butyric acid hints at familiar foods when it's just a whiff; bakery, butter, humbug sweets etc. A bit more and you are into hot sunny day armpit territory It adds depth, which makes it a 'bottom note' in mixes and rounds things out. Caproic acid (C6) is much the same... a bit more sweaty smelling, cheesy. These things are in your food as natural components of some foods aromas. Edited January 6, 2024 by StringJunky 1
iNow Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 You drew a picture of an epicurious symphony for me just there. +1 1
StringJunky Posted January 6, 2024 Author Posted January 6, 2024 On 1/6/2024 at 2:51 AM, iNow said: You drew a picture of an epicurious symphony for me just there. +1 Expand Ha!, cheers. Smells tell me stories. I think this will progress naturally to looking at hormone signalling that's triggered by the chemical signals in the water. 1
iNow Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 On 1/6/2024 at 3:14 AM, StringJunky said: hormone signalling that's triggered by the chemical signals in the water Expand And via mycelium colonies underground, I imagine 1
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