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On 1/12/2024 at 7:21 PM, KJW said:

The following is a solution to the second problem:


Let R be the radius of the large circle.
Let r be the radius of the small circles in the outermost layer.
Let αr be the radius of the small circles in the second outermost layer.
Let n be the number of small circles around the circumference of the large circle.
Let P be the proportion of the area of the large circle covered by small circles for n small circles around the circumference of the large circle.


Partitioning the large circle into n sectors, the area of each sector is:

=πR2n

The total area of small circles covering a sector:

=πr2(1+α2+α4+α6+)=πr21α2

Then the proportion of the area of a sector covered by small circles:

P=nr2(1α2)R2


rRr=sinπn

r=(Rr)sinπn

r(1+sinπn)=Rsinπn

rR=sinπn1+sinπn


P=nsin2πn(1α2)(1+sinπn)2

Let (1α2)=βπn

limnP=n(πn)2βπn=πβ


Applying the law of cosines:

Note that (1+α)r is the distance between the centres of the outermost and nearest second outermost circles, and that (Rr) and α(Rr) are the distances from the centre of the large circle to the centres of the outermost circle and second outermost circle, respectively.

(1+α)2r2=(1+α2)(Rr)22α(Rr)2cosπn

(1+α)2r2(Rr)2=1+α22αcosπn

rRr=sinπn

(1+α)2sin2πn=1+α22αcosπn

(1+α)2sin2πn=(1+α)22α(1+cosπn)

(1+α)2cos2πn2α(1+cosπn)=0

(1+α)2cos2πn2(1+α)(1+cosπn)+2(1+cosπn)=0

Let ϕ=πn

(1+α)2cos2ϕ2(1+α)(1+cosϕ)+2(1+cosϕ)=0

Also let ϕ0

cosϕ112ϕ2

(1+α)2(1ϕ2)(1+α)(4ϕ2)+(4ϕ2)=0

This is a quadratic equation to be solved for (1+α) . However, only the lesser of the two solutions is of interest.

1+α=(4ϕ2)(4ϕ2)24(1ϕ2)(4ϕ2)2(1ϕ2)

1+α=(4ϕ2)(168ϕ2+ϕ4)(1620ϕ2+4ϕ4)2(1ϕ2)

1+α=(4ϕ2)12ϕ23ϕ42(1ϕ2)

1+α=23ϕ

α=13ϕ

α2=123ϕ+3ϕ2

1α2=βπn=23ϕ=23πn

β=23


Therefore:

limnP=π23

 

 

 

Edited by Dhamnekar Win,odd
I answered my query myself
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3 hours ago, Dhamnekar Win,odd said:

I answered my query myself

That's ok, I was curious. How did you solve the second problem?

 

52 minutes ago, Dhamnekar Win,odd said:

Would you show me this triangle graphically? 🤔☺️

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KJW,

 How did you derive the distance from the center of circle lying in the second outermost circle to the center of the larger circle is \(\alpha(R-r) ?\) Can you give me a real world example?

Suppose R=10, r=2 and \(\alpha (R -r) = 1\) So, using simple mathematical reasoning, the distance from the center of the circle lying in the second outermost layer  to the center of the larger circle is  4 + 1 = 5. But using your formula \(\alpha (R-r)= \displaystyle\frac12(10- 2)= 4\). How is that? Where I am wrong?  

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I don't know where you got those numbers from, but have you interpreted [math]\alpha (R-r)[/math] as [math]\alpha[/math] as a function of [math]R-r[/math] instead of [math]\alpha[/math] multiplied by [math]R-r[/math]? [math]\alpha[/math] is the ratio of the radius of the second outermost circle to the radius of the outermost circle. It is also the ratio of the distance between the centre of the large circle and the center of the second outermost circle to the distance between the centre of the large circle and the center of the outermost circle. Thus, [math]\alpha r[/math] is the radius of the second outermost circles, and [math]\alpha (R-r)[/math] is the distance between the centre of the large circle and the center of the second outermost circle. I chose to define the ratio [math]\alpha[/math] rather than the radius and distance themselves. Much of the solution was about finding the value of [math]\alpha[/math], and even then, only for very large values of [math]n[/math]. It should be noted that the same value [math]\alpha[/math] describes both ratios because the second and subsequent outermost layers of circles are scaled down versions of the outermost layer of circles.

 

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@KJW,

How did you arrive at this equation pointed out by arrow? Would you show me its computations? What is mathematical reasoning (mathematical logic ) behind this computations?

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3 hours ago, Dhamnekar Win,odd said:

@KJW,

How did you arrive at this equation pointed out by arrow? Would you show me its computations? What is mathematical reasoning (mathematical logic ) behind this computations?

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Not stated but used in the solution is the series expansion of [math]\cos \phi[/math]:

[math]\cos \phi = 1 - \dfrac{\phi^2}{2} + \dfrac{\phi^4}{24} - \dfrac{\phi^6}{720} + \cdots = \displaystyle \sum_{j=0}^{\infty} \dfrac{(-1)^j}{(2j)!} x^{2j}[/math]

For [math]\phi \approx 0[/math], the terms after [math]\dfrac{\phi^2}{2}[/math] can be ignored, and the closer [math]\phi[/math] is to [math]0[/math], the better [math]1 - \dfrac{\phi^2}{2}[/math] is as an approximation of [math]\cos \phi[/math]. In the limit of [math]\phi \to 0[/math] ([math]n \to \infty[/math]), the approximation is effectively exact. But [math]\phi[/math] can't be exactly [math]0[/math] ([math]\cos 0 = 1[/math]) because then the ratio of the total area of the small circles to the area of the large circle in the limit of [math]n \to \infty[/math] becomes indeterminate.

Thus:

[math]\cos^2 \phi = (1 - \dfrac{\phi^2}{2})^2 = 1 - \phi^2 + \dfrac{\phi^4}{4} = 1 - \phi^2[/math]    for [math]\phi \to 0[/math]    (ignoring the [math]\dfrac{\phi^4}{4}[/math] term)

[math]2(1 + \cos \phi) = 2 + 2(1 - \dfrac{\phi^2}{2}) = 4 - \phi^2[/math]    for [math]\phi \to 0[/math]

Also, solving the quadratic equation involved carefully ignoring the higher order terms, leaving only the term that is linear in [math]\phi[/math].

 

 

Edited by KJW
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How did you get

 image.png.648ec6f32b1f13c2ebcfcb0a6ce8cd09.png

 

I got \( 1 +\alpha = \displaystyle\frac{3\cdot |{\phi}| +\phi^2 -4}{2\phi^2 -2}\) How is that? Where I am wrong?

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On 1/17/2024 at 2:15 AM, Dhamnekar Win,odd said:

How did you get

 image.png.648ec6f32b1f13c2ebcfcb0a6ce8cd09.png

[math]1 + \alpha = \dfrac{(4 - \phi^2) - \sqrt{12 \phi^2 - 3 \phi^4}}{2 (1 - \phi^2)}[/math]

From here, I took a shortcut and simply ignored the two [math]\phi^2[/math] outside the square root and the [math]3 \phi^4[/math] under the square root because I could see that these are not going to be a part of the final result. Thus:

[math]1 + \alpha = \dfrac{4 - \sqrt{12 \phi^2}}{2}[/math]    for [math]x \to 0[/math]  (ignoring higher-order terms)

[math]1 + \alpha = 2 - \sqrt{3} \phi[/math]

 

However, one can verify that the shortcut leads to the same result as follows:

[math]1 + \alpha = \dfrac{(4 - \phi^2) - \sqrt{12 \phi^2 - 3 \phi^4}}{2 (1 - \phi^2)}[/math]

[math]1 + \alpha = \dfrac{(4 - \phi^2) - \sqrt{12} \phi \sqrt{1 - \dfrac{1}{4} \phi^2}}{2 (1 - \phi^2)}[/math]

 

The series expansion of [math]\dfrac{1}{1 + x}[/math] and [math]\sqrt{1 + x}[/math]:

[math]\dfrac{1}{1 + x} = 1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + \cdots = 1 - x[/math]    for [math]x \to 0[/math]  (ignoring higher-order terms)

[math]\sqrt{1 + x} = 1 + \dfrac{1}{2} x - \dfrac{1}{8} x^2 + \dfrac{1}{16} x^3 - \dfrac{5}{128} x^4 + \cdots = 1 + \dfrac{1}{2} x[/math]    for [math]x \to 0[/math]  (ignoring higher-order terms)

Thus:

[math]\dfrac{1}{1 - \phi^2} = 1 + \phi^2[/math]    for [math]x \to 0[/math]  (ignoring higher-order terms)

[math]\sqrt{1 - \dfrac{1}{4} \phi^2} = 1 - \dfrac{1}{8} \phi^2[/math]    for [math]x \to 0[/math]  (ignoring higher-order terms)

 

[math]1 + \alpha = \dfrac{1}{2} (4 - \phi^2) (1 + \phi^2) - \sqrt{3} \phi (1 - \dfrac{1}{8} \phi^2) (1 + \phi^2)[/math]

[math]1 + \alpha = \dfrac{1}{2} (4 + 3 \phi^2 - \phi^4) - \sqrt{3} \phi (1 + \dfrac{7}{8} \phi^2 - \dfrac{1}{8} \phi^4)[/math]

[math]1 + \alpha = 2 - \sqrt{3} \phi + \dfrac{3}{2} \phi^2 - \dfrac{7 \sqrt{3}}{8} \phi^3 - \dfrac{1}{2} \phi^4 + \dfrac{\sqrt{3}}{8} \phi^5[/math]

[math]1 + \alpha = 2 - \sqrt{3} \phi[/math]    for [math]x \to 0[/math]  (ignoring higher-order terms)

 

 

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