Nothing and The Creation

[dimreepr]

1 hour ago, Ant Sinclair said:

At the centre of our multiverse are 9 pairs of rings made of a “magnetic” material

I can't think of anything meaningful to say, either...

[Ant Sinclair]

Dim, a nothing-burger - well done 👏 

[MigL]

22 hours ago, exchemist said:

This is a misconception. Zero point energy does not contribute to temperature.

I don't recall saying temperature; just that absolute zero is not achievable.
But you do recall Heisenberg says that if you stop all motion of a quantum particle, its position is determined exactly, and therefore, its momentum, and energy, is indeterminate.

What exactly, am I misconceiving; please elaborate.

[exchemist]

1 minute ago, MigL said:

I don't recall saying temperature; just that absolute zero is not achievable.
But you do recall Heisenberg says that if you stop all motion of a quantum particle, its position is determined exactly, and therefore, its momentum, and energy, is indeterminate.

What exactly, am I misconceiving; please elaborate.

Absolute zero is a temperature. The reason it is unattainable is not because of zero point energy. 

Edited Sunday at 03:50 PM by exchemist

[MigL]

7 minutes ago, exchemist said:

Absolute zero is a temperature. 

And I maintain it is not achievable.
Temperature can be defined in two ways.
Chemists are fond of the 'molecular/atomic motion' description.
Physicists tend to use the 'energy of the system' description.

It allows us to assign a 'temperature' to a single particle.

Edited Sunday at 03:57 PM by MigL

[exchemist]

2 minutes ago, MigL said:

And I maintain it is not achievable.
Temperature can be defined in two ways.
Chemists are fond of the 'molecular/atomic motion' description.
Physicists tend to use the 'energy of the system' description.

It allows us to assign a 'temperature' to a single particle.

You are violently agreeing with me😁. It is the reason why it is not achievable where we seem to be disagreeing.

The residual zero point energy of the ground state is by definition not extractable, hence is not capable of being exchanged among the members of an ensemble, and therefore cannot contribute to the temperature. So its presence is not an explanation for why absolute zero is, as we both agree, is unattainable. 

[MigL]

Ok; we agree.
My apologies for being violent 😄

[exchemist]

20 minutes ago, MigL said:

Ok; we agree.
My apologies for being violent 😄

😀

[Phi for All]

4 hours ago, Ant Sinclair said:

I closed that thread as I was unhappy with how it was being received by members of staff here on SF and so never gave further information on those Rings.

Or, staff closed it because you rely on numerology for your arguments. If you want a different reception, use trusted science instead of this imagined pattern BS. You can persuade us, but NOT with numerology.

[Ant Sinclair]

Phi for All, it makes me laugh when you and other staff throw the "numerology" tag at folk. I posted well over a hundred frequencies that would be seen in the CMBR on my 2016 thread and not one of them were rebuffed, and most of them I calculated.

If the JWST can get a closer look at NGC922(Bullseye) than Hubble was able to I predict what many call a Dyson Sphere shall be present, but it won't be a Dyson Sphere. If this happens I'll let you know exactly what it is.

[swansont]

15 minutes ago, Ant Sinclair said:

Phi for All, it makes me laugh when you and other staff throw the "numerology" tag at folk.

Glad you get a laugh out of it, but when you throw around numbers and ratios without some kind of model to say why they should be meaningful, that’s what it is.

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I posted well over a hundred frequencies that would be seen in the CMBR on my 2016 thread and not one of them were rebuffed

CMBR is a thermal spectrum, i.e. a continuum, so I’m not sure what significance individual values would have. Especially without a model (based in physics) for them to be based on

[Phi for All]

26 minutes ago, Ant Sinclair said:

Phi for All, it makes me laugh when you and other staff throw the "numerology" tag at folk.

I understand. You don't know enough real science, so you see patterns in the numbers and think you've made some kind of breakthrough that nobody else can see. I've seen this hundreds of times over the last 20 years here.

You laugh while the rest of us shake our heads at all the time you've wasted.