Why use the atomic bomb on Japan?

[dimreepr]

20 hours ago, MSC said:

Genuinely not me this time. Will make it -2 now by way of proving the first isn't me. 

As I mentioned in my previous post, it's cogent to my argument; I don't care if it's you, or not, bc there's bugger all I can do about it and the mere allegation was motive enough for you to press the button trigger... 😉

20 hours ago, MSC said:

Just buy bees Dim. Be a bee keeper. Don't buy weapons grade nuclear material.

This is a logical fallacy, in more than one way, for example, it's not a binery question; either you believe in nuclear antiproliferation or you're a bee keeper.

I don't care about your justification for virtue signalling, if that's what floats your boat then all power to you; just don't expect me to clap. 

12 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

...and above all...don't put a "Nuke the Bees" bumper sticker on your gas guzzling car! 

..unless of course the sticker is all biodegradable material...

(the "Nuke" part was my lame attempt to get back OT...LOL)

It's funny, other than the fact that I never deveated, according to the rules of 'Just a minute'.

Edited May 8 by dimreepr

[MSC]

3 hours ago, dimreepr said:

As I mentioned in my previous post, it's cogent to my argument; I don't care if it's you, or not, bc there's bugger all I can do about it and the mere allegation was motive enough for you to press the button trigger... 😉

This is a logical fallacy, in more than one way, for example, it's not a binery question; either you believe in nuclear antiproliferation or you're a bee keeper.

I don't care about your justification for virtue signalling, if that's what floats your boat then all power to you; just don't expect me to clap. 

It's funny, other than the fact that I never deveated, according to the rules of 'Just a minute'.

Sometimes when you answer jokes as if they are serious; you just end up appearing like a fool. I know exactly why someone negged you anyway and I have a funny feeling I know who. Basically put you got negged because you admitted you have little skin in the game and don't care either way. So it rendered all your previous arguments to the position of bad faith. 

When you can explain virtue theory in detail then you can start trying to figure out who is doing it, not before. After Virtue by Alasdair McIntyre is a good place to read for a contemporary catch up. 

[J.C.MacSwell]

9 hours ago, dimreepr said:

It's funny, other than the fact that I never deveated, according to the rules of 'Just a minute'.

That wasn't directed at you Dim...it was just me off topic, pretending to be a very small amount on topic.

[dimreepr]

17 hours ago, MSC said:

Sometimes when you answer jokes as if they are serious; you just end up appearing like a fool. I know exactly why someone negged you anyway and I have a funny feeling I know who. Basically put you got negged because you admitted you have little skin in the game and don't care either way. So it rendered all your previous arguments to the position of bad faith. 

When you can explain virtue theory in detail then you can start trying to figure out who is doing it, not before. After Virtue by Alasdair McIntyre is a good place to read for a contemporary catch up. 

I'm sorry if my word's or thought's offended you, just remember they're just images on a screen, there's no physical or emotional threat intended, I'd say the exact same thing to my best friend's face to face. 

My philosophy on this is, understanding that an external locus of control is a waist of emotional energy, and understanding why an internal locus of control, is the path to peace. 😉 

IOW do what you can control, with good intent, and don't worry about the world you can't control.

[dimreepr]

14 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

That wasn't directed at you Dim...it was just me off topic, pretending to be a very small amount on topic.

At least consider that I'm capable of making a joke...😇

[J.C.MacSwell]

47 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

At least consider that I'm capable of making a joke...😇

I thought you might be kidding, but I just wanted to err on the side of not offending you...just in case.

[dimreepr]

21 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

I thought you might be kidding, but I just wanted to err on the side of not offending you...just in case.

Just a heads up, you couldn't offend me, I am a joke...

[MSC]

9 hours ago, dimreepr said:

sorry if my word's or thought's offended you, just remember they're just images on a screen, there's no physical or emotional threat intended, I'd say the exact same thing to my best friend's face to face. 

Genuinely not offended, in fact I was saying you'd have to study more about what you are saying in order for me to be offended by your judgement since you honestly don't know the difference between virtue signalling and people honestly discussing ethics in a relevant discussion. I didn't go out of my way to talk about this issue, it's the thread. You are pissing me off a bit however over basically telling us not to have the discussion because the issue is outside our locus of control. When discussion itself, isn't. Why do you care what we talk about when we are all outside your locus of control? Follow your own advice or continue being a hypocrite. I'm past caring about your input at this point. Covert trolls get under my radar but when I realize that's what's going on I'll stop feeding them.

[dimreepr]

14 hours ago, MSC said:

Genuinely not offended, in fact I was saying you'd have to study more about what you are saying in order for me to be offended by your judgement since you honestly don't know the difference between virtue signalling and people honestly discussing ethics in a relevant discussion.

I've explianed why this question is ethically null, you may as well walk around with sandwiche board saying "the end is nigh" or standing on a soapbox in hyde corner shouting "we must end all war's"; my point is, I'm the only one listening.

So present your case, without all the hand waving or emotive clause's, and convince 'this old skeptic' why I should believe you?

14 hours ago, MSC said:

You are pissing me off a bit however over basically telling us not to have the discussion because the issue is outside our locus of control. When discussion itself, isn't. Why do you care what we talk about when we are all outside your locus of control? Follow your own advice or continue being a hypocrite. I'm past caring about your input at this point. Covert trolls get under my radar but when I realize that's what's going on I'll stop feeding them.

I'm not telling you anything, there's a difference between a soapbox and a lecturn...😇

And if I'm pissing you off, then I'm delighted, bc you're at least desperately trying to think of a way, too put me in my place; and I say good luck on your journey, you might learn something, and at least you stopped head butting that wall for a mo... 

 

LOL another neg, at least one of you can't see past the 'fuck you' button.

[MSC]

2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

I've explianed why this question is ethically null,

You've claimed lots, while explaining nothing. I don't think there is anything more to be gained by having this discussion with you. I don't understand enough about your metaethical I positions yet to know where our points of contention actually lies. 

2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

And if I'm pissing you off, then I'm delighted

This to me sounds like an admission that you're only here to troll and wind me up. 

2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

So present your case

I  and @TheVathave repeatedly throughout the thread presented our cases. If you've forgotten you can go back and reread them. At this point I'd just be repeating myself for someone who isn't reading to comprehend but is reading to react. 

2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

I'm not telling you anything, there's a difference between a soapbox and a lecturn.

If I was soapboxing I'd be the OP. Context Dim. 

Although I think it's comical that being inclined to thinking more than skin deep for ethical problems has had a large number of thick concepts associated with it created by people who lack moral fiber. Virtue signalling, do-gooder, wokist etc are all thick concepts that put a negative connotation on trying as humans to A) be more considerate of the lives of others and B) try to convince others of the same. 

I also feel there is a massive difference between people who virtue signal as an aesthetic status symbol thing; and people who are actively engaged in the study of moral philosophy because it's legit their passion. I'm the latter and I consider myself to be an independent ethicist. Laugh at that all you want, but that's just me. I'm not going to change for you.

[Phi for All]

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Moderator Note

Let me know if anyone still wants to talk about the OP without descending into personal attacks, otherwise it looks like closing time.

 

[MSC]

6 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

!

Moderator Note

Let me know if anyone still wants to talk about the OP without descending into personal attacks, otherwise it looks like closing time.

 

I'm all good. Feel like we'd all just be repeating ourselves at this point 

[dimreepr]

On 5/10/2024 at 2:23 PM, MSC said:

You've claimed lots, while explaining nothing. I don't think there is anything more to be gained by having this discussion with you. I don't understand enough about your metaethical I positions yet to know where our points of contention actually lies. 

The question, both the OP and your's isn't ethical at all, it's political; it's basically the same as illegal immigration or the war on terror or the war on drugs, this is obviously a terrible thing; so let's promote the fear of it, and while everyone is running around like headless chickens, we can test our latest superweapon under the banner of promoting peace.

IOW there is no such thing as utopia or a winnable war on an abstract noun.

On 5/10/2024 at 2:23 PM, MSC said:

This to me sounds like an admission that you're only here to troll and wind me up. 

You missed a lot of context there, Tonto...

On 5/10/2024 at 12:15 PM, dimreepr said:

bc you're at least desperately trying to think of a way, too put me in my place; and I say good luck on your journey, you might learn something,

No one would be happier than me, if you put me in my place bc I would learn something... 

[Sensei]

On 5/9/2024 at 4:25 PM, dimreepr said:

Just a heads up, you couldn't offend me, I am a joke...

Twice a day even a broken clock shows the correct time..

 

ps. Negs not from me, even if deserved, because as usual, you are yourself..