RICHARD DAWKINS ❤ CANCEL CULTURE (or not)

[StringJunky]

7 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Now they, should have been cancelled, too late now though... 😉

Difficult because they had already inextricably embedded themselves into the UK/US corridors of power in the 50 to 60 years before the 1948 extermination of the non-compliant residents of Palestine. Prominent non-Zionist Jews that resisted were assassinated on the way as well prior to that day.

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[dimreepr]

7 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

Difficult because they had already inextricably embedded themselves into the UK/US corridors of power in the 50 to 60 years before the 1948 extermination of the non-compliant residents of Palestine. Prominent non-Zionist Jews that resisted were assassinated on the way as well prior to that day.

Indeed, by the time we realise that they should have been cancelled, it's always to late.

[StringJunky]

7 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Indeed, by the time we realise that they should have been cancelled, it's always to late.

Ka-Ching! Few can resist it, especially politicians who need funding.... by the likes of AIPAC, as an example.

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[swansont]

26 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

Anti-Semitism, as a concept, was invented by Zionists around the late 19th century.

The term was coined then, but the concept has existed for far longer.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitism

[StringJunky]

18 minutes ago, swansont said:

The term was coined then, but the concept has existed for far longer.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitism

I don't think it's any different to saying 'anti-Muslim'' or anti-Christian'. If you look over a couple of millennia, the statistical odds of finding periods of focused, systemic persecution for any specific group are pretty good. It's much easier to find data to support a historical narrative if the timespan is long enough. Deliberate cognitive bias on the part of pro-Zionist historians, methinks. 

Edited to add:

If I focused your attention on only the periods I was persecuted, omitting intervening periods of calm,  I can make it appear that I have been continuously persecuted. This is the mirage they have managed to communicate, and very effectively.

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[dimreepr]

2 hours ago, StringJunky said:

If I focused your attention on only the periods I was persecuted, omitting intervening periods of calm,  I can make it appear that I have been continuously persecuted. This is the mirage they have managed to communicate, and very effectively.

I'm so glad 'they' wasn't 'me' when I took the shrums, but isn't a mirage a lie about where we can find the water?

[StringJunky]

4 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

I'm so glad 'they' wasn't 'me' when I took the shrums, but isn't a mirage a lie about where we can find the water?

Yes, but also illusory or insubstantial.

[swansont]

5 hours ago, StringJunky said:

I don't think it's any different to saying 'anti-Muslim'' or anti-Christian'. If you look over a couple of millennia, the statistical odds of finding periods of focused, systemic persecution for any specific group are pretty good

And one would then be incorrect to claim that the persecution did not happen. 

Even if it were intermittent, the claim referred to the start date. 

[joigus]

I hereby propose Godwin's second law. Namely:

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"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of it turning into the Jews or Zionism approaches 1."

 

[Gian]

20 hours ago, TheVat said:

Citation for Chomsky, please.

And look up brainwashing in a dictionary, please.

As for your last sentence, some survey data to support that would be welcome.  

Mr TheVat

I can't find the Chomsky quote but he's said it in interview several times.

Surveys are unnecessary; just go and get to know unskilled construction workers (I was one of them once) or any unskilled workers with as little "education" as possible.

I'm not saying they're geniuses, but by comparison, University students are pathetically easily led.

The following film The Great Awakening (2023) is mostly fear-mongering and "conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories," but I do agree with what is said at 00:26:18

"'You would think it would be people with lower IQ's that would be susceptible to this [illogical mass ideology] but it seems to be the other way around. Are you seeing this?'

"'I have seen this. And it does seem to be predicted by educational status and IQ.'"

https://youtu.be/1fDWZjvNUC8?si=aDiHxnYRH7rNxyu-

Cheerz

GIAN🙂XXX

 

6 hours ago, StringJunky said:

Anti-Semitism, as a concept, was invented by Zionists around the late 19th century.

Prior to that, native Palestinians, which includes Jews and other denominations, got on just fine as a collective. It was necessary for the Zionist-aspirants to create ethnic/religious conflicts in order to achieve their mono-cultural, exclusionary, fascist goals.  

Mr StringJunky

Why would "Zionists" need to "invent" antisemitism? Why would they need to uproot themselves, trek across the world from North America, Europe and Russia to Palestine if they weren't already experiencing serious threats and racism?

I shouldn't think you'd uproot yourself and relocate to New Zealand unless you had a very very good reason. I sure wouldn't.

Cheerz

GIANxxx

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[exchemist]

24 minutes ago, Gian said:

Mr TheVat

I can't find the Chomsky quote but he's said it in interview several times.

Surveys are unnecessary; just go and get to know unskilled construction workers (I was one of them once) or any unskilled workers with as little "education" as possible.

I'm not saying they're geniuses, but by comparison, University students are pathetically easily led.

The following film The Great Awakening (2023) is mostly fear-mongering and "conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories," but I do agree with what is said at 00:26:18

"'You would think it would be people with lower IQ's that would be susceptible to this [illogical mass ideology] but it seems to be the other way around. Are you seeing this?'

"'I have seen this. And it does seem to be predicted by educational status and IQ.'"

https://youtu.be/1fDWZjvNUC8?si=aDiHxnYRH7rNxyu-

Cheerz

GIAN🙂XXX

 

Mr StringJunky

Why would "Zionists" need to "invent" antisemitism? Why would they need to uproot themselves, trek across the world from North America, Europe and Russia to Palestine if they weren't already experiencing serious threats and racism?

I shouldn't think you'd uproot yourself and relocate to New Zealand unless you had a very very good reason. I sure wouldn't.

Cheerz

GIANxxx

Not  quite a fair comparison, I suggest. New Zealand isn't your ancestral homeland and the setting for much of your religious scripture. 

But if antisemitism existed before the c.19th, doesn't that imply that racism existed earlier too? Or do you argue that prejudice against the Jewish religion, customs and traditions did not constitute racism?   

[TheVat]

1 hour ago, Gian said:

Surveys are unnecessary; just go and get to know unskilled construction workers (I was one of them once) or any unskilled workers with as little "education" as possible.

Yeah, who needs polling or survey data?  You met and talked to some people!  And they were a perfect cross section of society because, like, people mojo and the scientists are all Commies and lying dirt bags!  Once you learn to cut a birdsmouth joint on a rafter, you are incapable of being fooled!!!

1 hour ago, Gian said:

The following film The Great Awakening (2023) is mostly fear-mongering and "conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories," but I do agree with what is said at 00:26:18

"'You would think it would be people with lower IQ's that would be susceptible to this [illogical mass ideology] but it seems to be the other way around. Are you seeing this?'

"'I have seen this. And it does seem to be predicted by educational status and IQ.'"

Forget all that silly fear mongering and conspiracy stuff!  This guy talked to people!  And it seemed like they were pretty darned smart in spite of their low IQs.  Clearly they have AWESOME critical thinking skills because...well, they believe everything G. Edward Griffin says, like how cancer is just a vitamin deficiency easily cured with peach pits!  F*** all those eggheads with their college degrees and obsession with "facts" and "evidence" and "peer-reviewed research."  

Here, hold my beer... I'm going to disprove the germ theory of disease! Because, like, NOBODY on my shift washes their hands and they're never sick!  

[Gian]

9 minutes ago, TheVat said:

Yeah, who needs polling or survey data?  

Sounds like you need to make some friends mate🙂

1 hour ago, exchemist said:

Not  quite a fair comparison, I suggest. New Zealand isn't your ancestral homeland and the setting for much of your religious scripture. 

But if antisemitism existed before the c.19th, doesn't that imply that racism existed earlier too? Or do you argue that prejudice against the Jewish religion, customs and traditions did not constitute racism?   

Disliking, say, communism is not racism is it?

The dislike of Jews and Judaism was not racism, there was no such thing before the 19thC. As I've stated elsewhere, if, in the middle ages, Jews converted to Christanity -which they frequently did- the Christian Churches had no further problem with them. Why would they?

That approach would not of course have counted for anything in National Socialist Germany, where it really was about race, nor it would seem with some others in this discussion thread.

Given that they all purport to believe in evidence-based rational analysis, I'm left in a state of shock.

Cheerz

GIAN🙂XXX

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[exchemist]

15 minutes ago, Gian said:

Sounds like you need to make some friends mate🙂

Disliking, say, communism is not racism is it?

The dislike of Jews and Judaism was not racism, there was no such thing before the 19thC. As I've stated elsewhere, if, in the middle ages, Jews converted to Christanity, the Christian Churches had no further problem with them. Why would they?

Cheerz

GIAN🙂XXX

I think this needs explanation. Why do you think what you term “dislike” of Jews (extending to  to discriminatory laws and practices and sometimes physical expulsion) before the c.19th was not racism?

Ciao, love and kisses.

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[Gian]

27 minutes ago, exchemist said:

I think this needs explanation. Why do you think what you term “dislike” of Jews (extending to  to discriminatory laws and practices and sometimes physical expulsion) before the c.19th was not racism?

Ciao, love and kisses.

The dislike of Jews was a dislike of their adherence to their religion, and their non-acceptance of Christianity.

It's like some people dislike communists because of, well, their communism. I believe that in the 1950s in the US, people could lose their jobs and have all sorts of other penalties if there was the slightest hint of communist sympathy.

Or it's like people who dislike Trump supporters, because of Trump supporters' support for Mr Trump and general mindset.

Neither of those dislikes is racism, is it?

Cheerz

GIAN🙂XXX

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[zapatos]

15 minutes ago, Gian said:

Neither of those dislikes is racism, is it?

 

No. And dislike of Jews would not likely be considered racism either, as Jews are not generally considered a 'race'. On the other hand, someone certainly could consider Jews a race, as 'race' is not necessarily based on biology.

Bigotry, racism and antisemitism are basically the same behaviors toward a group, it is just that racism focuses prejudice against a race, antisemitism focuses prejudice against Jews, and bigotry focuses prejudice against anybody you'd like.

[Gian]

6 minutes ago, zapatos said:

No. And dislike of Jews would not likely be considered racism either, as Jews are not generally considered a 'race'. On the other hand, someone certainly could consider Jews a race, as 'race' is not necessarily based on biology.

Bigotry, racism and antisemitism are basically the same behaviors toward a group, it is just that racism focuses prejudice against a race, antisemitism focuses prejudice against Jews, and bigotry focuses prejudice against anybody you'd like.

The difference is that ethnicity is an unchangeable characteristic, whereas being a communist is a personal decision. I shouldn't think even Senator McCarthy would have had an issue with "communist" children.

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