What's your worldview?

[dimreepr]

18 hours ago, Otto Kretschmer said:

What is it?

I am personally (and have been since my teen years) an atheist though not a militant atheist. I respect people with different worldviews even if they sre irrational (religious folks

Economically - left wing. Socially centre. 

I can't describe myself in more terms.

I hesitate to answer bc I think it's an absurd question (please don't think I'm ridiculing you), it's like saying "which aphorism is your philosophy?".

One's worldview depends on the world one lives in, one has to think beyond it's limits and look for the awe that puts one in perspective; our relationship with the world depends on our ability to forgive it.

If you watch the world through the medium of the popular press, you're borrowing their perspective, not thinking of your own; don't look at the screen, look out of the window.

This is worth a listen, it goes some way towards explaining my point...

 

[Moontanman]

10 hours ago, MigL said:

HaHa !
Lately you're becoming as obscure as Dimreepr.
( no offense meant; I like Dim )

I hope that's not a misspelled derogatory cultural insult 😄 .

You really have it in for Religion.
Whatever happened to that so called 'liberal' tolerance ?

Us 'conservatives' are fine with, and tolerant, of your views and opinions.
( sometimes labels just don't seem to fit, do they ? )
 

I have to say, I am very much against religion, as soon as you find a religion that is tolerant of people who do not want to follow their mythology I'll be tolerant of them, being liberal doesn't mean being stupid and that is what being tolerant of someone who is not tolerant of you would mean. 

Carry on... 

Edited May 28 by Moontanman

[dimreepr]

4 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

I have to say, I am very much against religion, as soon as you find a religion that is tolerant of people who do not want to follow their mythology I'll be tolerant of them, being liberal doesn't mean being stupid and that is what being tolerant of someone who is not tolerant of you would mean. 

Carry on... 

Being tolerant, doesn't mean you have to like their brand of stupid... 😉

[Luc Turpin]

40 minutes ago, MigL said:

Careful with that 'spirituality' part.
Some people have studies showing it's all your fault 😊 .

And stop causing traffic jams, too.

Light spirituality causing only small traffic jams.

From a random quantum fluctuation to "a bit of a human brain the size of half a grain of rice: 57,000 cells, 150 million synapses"- what a ride! Maybe the studies showing that it's all my fault are not entirely correct.

[Moontanman]

5 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Being tolerant, doesn't mean you have to like their brand of stupid... 😉

Me liking them has nothing to do with it, their intolerance of anyone who doesn't follow their world view is the issue. In fact, their obsession of trying to change the law to restrict the life style/actions they don't approve of says it all IMHO... carry on. 

[Luc Turpin]

Just now, Moontanman said:

Me liking them has nothing to do with it, their intolerance of anyone who doesn't follow their world view is the issue. In fact, their obsession of trying to change the law to restrict the life style/actions they don't approve of says it all IMHO... carry on. 

A goodless society can be as evil as a god loving society!

Not all religions or adepts of religion are intolerant.

You seem to be against parts of religion, but throwing the baby with the bath water.

[Moontanman]

1 minute ago, Luc Turpin said:

A goodless society can be as evil as a god loving society!

Not all religions or adepts of religion are intolerant.

You seem to be against parts of religion, but throwing the baby with the bath water.

This is not a thread to discuss my problems with religion, I'd be glad to school you and your "tolerance" of those who will not tolerate you if you start your own thread on the subject but this is not the thread to do it. 

[MigL]

Belief is a mental 'perception', as opposed to a physical 'perception', such as a measurement.
Huuuuge difference; but I am of the opinion that what people believe is their own business ( although, sometimes, it tends to be pushed onto others ).

A mental perception doesn't simply pertain to religion or spirituality, it can also pertain to self image.
If I was to say "I believe I'm a woman trapped in a man's body", everyone would be tolerant of that belief, because, although not a physical perception, it might make me a happier, more fulfilled person.
Religion and spirituality do exactly the same for some people.

Why would you deny anyone of that with intolerance ?
( and no, Phi; I am against providing public funding for religions 😁 )

Edited May 28 by MigL

[dimreepr]

30 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

Me liking them has nothing to do with it, their intolerance of anyone who doesn't follow their world view is the issue. In fact, their obsession of trying to change the law to restrict the life style/actions they don't approve of says it all IMHO... carry on. 

So, you won't tollerate them, because they won't tollerate you; Don't you see the problem with that?

35 minutes ago, Luc Turpin said:

Light spirituality causing only small traffic jams.

From a random quantum fluctuation to "a bit of a human brain the size of half a grain of rice: 57,000 cells, 150 million synapses"- what a ride! Maybe the studies showing that it's all my fault are not entirely correct.

 

30 minutes ago, Luc Turpin said:

A goodless society can be as evil as a god loving society!

Not all religions or adepts of religion are intolerant.

You seem to be against parts of religion, but throwing the baby with the bath water.

What has god got to do with it?

[Moontanman]

3 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

So, you won't tollerate them, because they won't tollerate you; Don't you see the problem with that?

No I do not

3 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

 

What has god got to do with it?

It's called humor Dim, you chuckle and carry on. 

[dimreepr]

2 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

No I do not

And that's your flawed, world view; what ism sums it up for you? Nihilism, perchance?

7 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

It's called humor Dim, you chuckle and carry on. 

While other's call it murder:

Quote

The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him ---you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon?

 

[TheVat]

55 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

I have to say, I am very much against religion, as soon as you find a religion that is tolerant of people who do not want to follow their mythology I'll be tolerant of them, being liberal doesn't mean being stupid and that is what being tolerant of someone who is not tolerant of you would mean. 

Carry on... 

AFAICT, Unitarians and some Buddhist sects score fairly high on tolerance.  (it's interesting how the word liberal has gotten rather distorted - the first definition in most dictionaries is willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.)  

I have noticed that an attitude of tolerance and appreciation of cultural variety vs one of Us/Them insularity seems to be a big dividing line in worldviews in the US.  

On religion, I'm a traditional liberal - helps some people, harms others, depends very much on the individual and what they are seeking there.  

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, MigL said:

Careful with that 'spirituality' part.
Some people have studies showing it's all your fault 😊 .

And stop causing traffic jams, too.

Citation? All my studies blame the belief and not the believer. Do you feel personally attacked, is that why you leap to fallacy? Can't you separate the stance from those who hold it? 

[Moontanman]

11 minutes ago, TheVat said:

AFAICT, Unitarians and some Buddhist sects score fairly high on tolerance.  (it's interesting how the word liberal has gotten rather distorted - the first definition in most dictionaries is willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.)  

Then I would tolerate them

11 minutes ago, TheVat said:

I have noticed that an attitude of tolerance and appreciation of cultural variety vs one of Us/Them insularity seems to be a big dividing line in worldviews in the US.  

On religion, I'm a traditional liberal - helps some people, harms others, depends very much on the individual and what they are seeking there.  

Yeah the MAGA movement and White Christian Nationalism tend to cloud ones perceptions.  

[iNow]

11 hours ago, MigL said:

So you can be either a nice guy, or a callous prick, and blame it on experiences and context ?

Yes, sometimes even all at once. 

[dimreepr]

1 minute ago, Moontanman said:

Then I would tolerate them

Tolerance is not conditional, but hate is...

[Moontanman]

Just now, dimreepr said:

Tolerance is not conditional, but hate is...

I disagree. 

[dimreepr]

2 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

I disagree. 

That's your privaledge not an answer...

[Moontanman]

4 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

That's your privaledge not an answer...

You didn't ask a question. 

[TheVat]

52 minutes ago, Luc Turpin said:

throwing the baby with the bath water.

It's throwing the baby out with the bath water.  

I see a world where maybe 20% of people use religion in a negative way, but that fraction receives 99% of the media coverage.  The other 80% show up for religious services or ceremonies looking to connect with something larger than themselves, foster kindness and compassion in themselves, find social connections, rein in aggressive impulses, and help people who are in need.  Those people, unless they're chaining themselves to a nuclear weapons facility gate or demonstrating outside a prison before an execution, get almost zero notice.  

 

[Luc Turpin]

1 hour ago, Moontanman said:

This is not a thread to discuss my problems with religion, I'd be glad to school you and your "tolerance" of those who will not tolerate you if you start your own thread on the subject but this is not the thread to do it. 

Not meant as a personal attack.

Wanted to point out that maybe you are just intolerant of intolerant religions, and could be convinced of being tolerant of tolerant religions

[Moontanman]

1 minute ago, TheVat said:

It's throwing the baby out with the bath water.  

I see a world where maybe 20% of people use religion in a negative way, but that fraction receives 99% of the media coverage.  The other 80% show up for religious services or ceremonies looking to connect with something larger than themselves, foster kindness and compassion in themselves, find social connections, rein in aggressive impulses, and help people who are in need.  Those people, unless they're chaining themselves to a nuclear weapons facility gate or demonstrating outside a prison before an execution, get almost zero notice.  

 

The really sad part is that that 20% are driving our politics and the intolerant laws that enforce that 20%s religious intolerance.  The 80% cannot bring themselves to oppose the 20% due to their own religious beliefs. 

[dimreepr]

1 minute ago, Moontanman said:

You didn't ask a question. 

No, I made a statement that you failed to address; pedantry is but a parlour game in our quest for answers...😉

[Luc Turpin]

51 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

What has god got to do with it?

Maybe something, maybe nothing!

9 minutes ago, TheVat said:

It's throwing the baby out with the bath water.  

I see a world where maybe 20% of people use religion in a negative way, but that fraction receives 99% of the media coverage.  The other 80% show up for religious services or ceremonies looking to connect with something larger than themselves, foster kindness and compassion in themselves, find social connections, rein in aggressive impulses, and help people who are in need.  Those people, unless they're chaining themselves to a nuclear weapons facility gate or demonstrating outside a prison before an execution, get almost zero notice.  

 

Agree!

[Moontanman]

2 minutes ago, Luc Turpin said:

Not meant as a personal attack.

Wanted to point out that maybe you are just intolerant of intolerant religions, and could be convinced of being tolerant of tolerant religions

That would be a true statement but I am not impressed by people who ignore the tenets of their religion so they can tolerate the people who do follow the intolerance their religion demands but they ignore. The intolerant who are actually following their religions tenets are easy to see but the ones who try and pretend their religion doesn't demand those things when it clearly does are not a good thing, they simply insulate the fundies from criticism while they continue to undermine society. 

I am tolerant of religions who do not think they have the right the tell everyone else what to do, I am mostly familiar with the Abrahamic religions to be honest. 

5 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

No, I made a statement that you failed to address; pedantry is but a parlour game in our quest for answers...😉

I must have missed the question, feel free to ask again.