Trump Guilty

[StringJunky]

"The jury has found former US President Donald Trump GUILTY of falsifying business records to conceal a hush-money payment made to former porn star Stormy Daniels.

He becomes the first former president to be convicted of a crime.

This is for the first count of the 34 charges in total. There are more verdicts to come."

This is current. He is guilty on the first three counts, so far.

I thought it might be worth its own thread.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-69069142

Edited May 30 by StringJunky

[toucana]

2 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

"The jury has found former US President Donald Trump GUILTY of falsifying business records to conceal a hush-money payment made to former porn star Stormy Daniels.

He becomes the first former president to be convicted of a crime.

This is for the first count of the 34 charges in total. There are more verdicts to come."

This is current. He is guilty on the first three counts, so far.

I thought it might be worth its own thread.

Trump has been convicted on all 34 indictments by a unanimous verdict of the jury. Sentencing will be in about 5 weeks time in mid July.

[StringJunky]

@toucana He has indeed. Justice has prevailed, so far. I really didn't think he'd get the full set. He didn't help himself with his out of court antics denigrating court officials.

Edited May 30 by StringJunky

[Airbrush]

Y A A A A A Y ! ! ! !

[toucana]

6 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

@toucana He has indeed. Justice has prevailed, so far. I really didn't think he'd get the full set. He didn't help himself with his out of court antics denigrating court officials.

Trump's has just said that "The real verdict will be the presidential election" which is simply false. The real verdict was just given by a jury of his peers, and unless it is overturned on appeal (highly unlikely), he is now  - and will remain  - a felon convicted on 34 criminal indictments.

[CharonY]

Not that it likely will matter much. The more serious criminal cases at this point are pretty much postponed until after the election and as long as he is not physically behind bars (which is extremely unlikely) folks will conveniently keep forgetting that he is convict (and those who don't wouldn't vote for him in the first place).

 

[StringJunky]

34 minutes ago, CharonY said:

Not that it likely will matter much. The more serious criminal cases at this point are pretty much postponed until after the election and as long as he is not physically behind bars (which is extremely unlikely) folks will conveniently keep forgetting that he is convict (and those who don't wouldn't vote for him in the first place).

 

At this point, with no precedent, it's hard to say, isn't it? This is new territory. Top result, so far for commonsense and justice. So far, the ordinary people that are the jurors have done us good.

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[J.C.MacSwell]

On only 34 counts out of the 34? Kind of disappointing.

He'll take it as a win!

[StringJunky]

How do we think the GOP side of the SC will be feeling? I think Allito and Thomas will be pissed off, being cut from the same cloth as Trump.

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[J.C.MacSwell]

38 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

How do we think the GOP side of the SC will be feeling? I think Allito and Thomas will be pissed off, being cut from the same cloth as Trump.

They also spent lots of money to spare the feelings of their families?😇

[CharonY]

1 hour ago, StringJunky said:

At this point, with no precedent, it's hard to say, isn't it? This is new territory. Top result, so far for commonsense and justice. So far, the ordinary people that are the jurors have done us good.

I don't think that it is a top result. Based on what I have read it is so blindingly obvious that anyone else would have been long indicted for that. So essentially this is not a highlight, but rather the bar was on the floor and this time around, folks did not trip over it. They did in the other cases, though.

[TheVat]

Jack Smith's federal prosecutions are the big ones, for the January 6th actions and for the documents theft and obstruction.  But this is an okay appetizer and it is a conviction which cannot be federally self-pardoned, being a state action.  And it also showed that attacks and harassment of court officials is not the best strategy for a defendant.  Who knew?  

[J.C.MacSwell]

 

Hopefully Trump will have learned his lesson...

(Don't forget to pardon your fixer...)

10 minutes ago, CharonY said:

I don't think that it is a top result. 

Notwithstanding your context, short of Trump taking the stand and no doubt adding contempt (and other?) charges, it's certainly the top result for this trial.

(other than...you know...top result for those that try to protect their families feelings...)

That said, what's the over and under on days before Trump turns on his Lawyers for advising him not to take the stand?

[CharonY]

Just now, TheVat said:

Jack Smith's federal prosecutions are the big ones, for the January 6th actions and for the documents theft and obstruction.  But this is an okay appetizer and it is a conviction which cannot be federally self-pardoned, being a state action.  And it also showed that attacks and harassment of court officials is not the best strategy for a defendant.  Who knew?  

Well, the issue is that if there is no trial until election and he wins, the federal prosecutions are likely to go away.

Just now, J.C.MacSwell said:

Notwithstanding your context, short of Trump taking the stand and no doubt adding contempt (and other?) charges, it's certainly the top result for this trial.

Well, that is true.

[J.C.MacSwell]

Just now, CharonY said:

Well, the issue is that if there is no trial until election and he wins, the federal prosecutions are likely to go away.

Even if, somehow, this doesn't hurt his election chances we to be relieved he wasn't found not guilty, or even hung jury  He would have had a field day with that.

[CharonY]

Just now, J.C.MacSwell said:

Even if, somehow, this doesn't hurt his election chances we to be relieved he wasn't found not guilty, or even hung jury  He would have had a field day with that.

Yeah, but that also shows where the standard is. The evidence, especially the paper trail and the almost grotesquely inept way where they tried to conceal it. Adding to how the defense basically put themselves on fire, likely in an attempt to appease Trump, even a hung jury (not guilty was pretty much out of the window) would have been at least a major surprise. 

[TheVat]

Just now, CharonY said:

Well, the issue is that if there is no trial until election and he wins, the federal prosecutions are likely to go away.

At this point, everything would have to break Smith's way to get a trial before November.  After that, Congress would have to step in, I think, which doesn't look probable.  So the hope is that Trump loses the election.  I think Family Embarassment Jr. might help with that, siphoning off more Trump votes than Biden votes.

And the other state case, from Georgia, is limping now, so who knows where that will be by late summer.

Aileen Cannon, the judge in Florida, was a really lucky break for Trump, in terms of getting sympathetic delays.

[geordief]

24 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Even if, somehow, this doesn't hurt his election chances we to be relieved he wasn't found not guilty, or even hung jury  He would have had a field day with that.

My feelings too.This trial was really all downside and no upside(for Trump's  opponents)

Did this trial delay the others  at all because it was the one  that the Dems would gladly  have  sacrificed for the others?

I would not be surprised if the  Trump voters paid zero heed to the outcome of this trial as far as their voting intentions are concerned.

I did ,in my own mind discount the chances of an acquittal    but was very taken aback by   the unanimity of the guilty verdict.

But then I didn't pay as much attention to the trial as those 12  jurors   or the judge.

Was Trump's error to think he could or should just subsume this  trial into his electioneering?

It was probably within reach to get a hung jury if he had taken it more seriously and respectfully(and let his lawyers do their job)

He could have spun a hung jury  as (a) a finding of innocence ,(b) even in New York they couldn't find him guilty and (c) they had to invent a new type of crime to try and fail to take him down("they think I am Al Capone -must have been listening to DeNiro"-insert new nickname for him and try out his Italian mobster accent)

 

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Edited May 31 by geordief

[MigL]

WhooHooo!

At least R Nixon had the integrity to quit the Presidency; this joker is still running.

I guess they'll re-open Alcatraz for the Presidential debates, and possible inauguration speech.

The Supreme Court should be ashamed of themselves for letting someone convicted of an election crime to still run.

[Moontanman]

[iNow]

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

Aileen Cannon, the judge in Florida, was a really lucky break for Trump, in terms of getting sympathetic delays.

So much so that many in the legal community are suggesting she’s guilty of conspiracy. 

[J.C.MacSwell]

35 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

I know you're not sexist...so I await your similar Cohen photo...

[TheVat]

1 minute ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

I know you're not sexist...so I await your similar Cohen photo...

Reportedly Cohen doesn't blow kisses, or ex-presidents, as well.   

 

13 minutes ago, iNow said:

So much so that many in the legal community are suggesting she’s guilty of conspiracy. 

Failure to recuse would be sufficient for me.  We seem to in an epidemic of judges refusing to recuse when professional standards scream for it 

[iNow]

Ethics, too ✌🏼

4 hours ago, toucana said:

Sentencing will be in about 5 weeks time in mid July.

His lawyers are already appealing.

[StringJunky]

6 hours ago, CharonY said:

I don't think that it is a top result. Based on what I have read it is so blindingly obvious that anyone else would have been long indicted for that. So essentially this is not a highlight, but rather the bar was on the floor and this time around, folks did not trip over it. They did in the other cases, though.

OK.