jv1 Posted June 24 Posted June 24 A voxel grid — or stack of cubes — has one red voxel inside. The vibration movement of the planes will be used to move this voxel through the tightly packed voxels. The planes’ center is the red cube. Movement of red cube in 3D,wouod create the zig-zag helix loop: Loops can move in a CW or CCW rotation throughout the vowel grid. Let’s call this zig-zag helix loops WAVES . The points where the zig-zag helix loops interlock—(D)one spinning CW and the other CCW— would create spinners (green, red, and blue).If three zig-zag helix loops were interlocked,the interlocking points would look like this: Let’s call these interlocking points PARTICLES. To connect voxel grid with quantum physics Planck force will be used as a starting point. The Planck force is extremely high (10e44) Let’s try to simulate force of gravity of 10e44 working on layers in the shape of squares (planes) with gap between them of Plancks length. Let’s put two planes at distance of Planck length. The thickness of each disk is 1.6x10e-35 and size is D=8.8x10e26m This gives us area of the disc to be A disc=77.44x10e52m2 Pressure Po=1.3x10^-11 is pressure of calm deep space . If Po is Acting on surface of disc A Is going to produce force very close to Plancks Force. The Planck mass over volume of single plane create density very similar do density of dark matter. Vibrational vertical movement of planes will create a flow - which we perceive as wave For visual effect blue and red planes are created of planck size cubes and create voxel grid. And both blue and red plane are made of three layers of cubes - two stationary and one moving . The vibrational movement will crate waves . If the distance of movement is Planck time / per Planck length(size of cubes ) Then speed of wave movement will be speed of light . Couple of more srawings
swansont Posted June 24 Posted June 24 8 minutes ago, jv1 said: The Planck force is extremely high (10e44) The Planck force is, as you note, the gravitational attractive force of two Planck masses, 1 Planck length apart. The Planck mass is about 20 micrograms. How do you get that much mass in such close proximity?
ImplicitDemands Posted June 24 Posted June 24 (edited) Sphere or cube, trig in general is tricky in 3D Ya'll can't navigate for crap Edited June 24 by ImplicitDemands -2
jv1 Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 Hi Swansont The voxel cube grid can have any size of cubes and outside dimensions . The pressure acting on the outside of grid is deep space pressure (10e-11). Voxel grid with outside sizes (8.8x8.8x8.8 ) x 10e28 m and cube size (1.6x1.6x1.6)d 10e-35m is easily split in to the “layer” with sizes( 8.8x8.8)x 10e26 and thickness of 1.6x10e-35 m- let’s call this plane . This plane has Plancks mass,plane has Very big area with small thickness. When three of these planes are positioned together ,two outside planes are “squishing “the plane in between. The distance between these 2 planes is Planck length and each plane has Plancks mass.
swansont Posted June 24 Posted June 24 56 minutes ago, jv1 said: The distance between these 2 planes is Planck length Since you avoided answering my question, you force me to repeat it: How do you get that much mass in such close proximity?
Mordred Posted June 24 Posted June 24 1 hour ago, jv1 said: Hi Swansont The voxel cube grid can have any size of cubes and outside dimensions . The pressure acting on the outside of grid is deep space pressure (10e-11). Voxel grid with outside sizes (8.8x8.8x8.8 ) x 10e28 m and cube size (1.6x1.6x1.6)d 10e-35m is easily split in to the “layer” with sizes( 8.8x8.8)x 10e26 and thickness of 1.6x10e-35 m- let’s call this plane . This plane has Plancks mass,plane has Very big area with small thickness. When three of these planes are positioned together ,two outside planes are “squishing “the plane in between. The distance between these 2 planes is Planck length and each plane has Plancks mass. Have you ever considered simply studying physics instead of trying to invent your own. Nothing you have posted so far makes any sense. 1
ImplicitDemands Posted June 24 Posted June 24 2 hours ago, jv1 said: Hi Swansont The voxel cube grid can have any size of cubes and outside dimensions . The pressure acting on the outside of grid is deep space pressure (10e-11). Voxel grid with outside sizes (8.8x8.8x8.8 ) x 10e28 m and cube size (1.6x1.6x1.6)d 10e-35m is easily split in to the “layer” with sizes( 8.8x8.8)x 10e26 and thickness of 1.6x10e-35 m- let’s call this plane . This plane has Plancks mass,plane has Very big area with small thickness. When three of these planes are positioned together ,two outside planes are “squishing “the plane in between. The distance between these 2 planes is Planck length and each plane has Plancks mass. You need to know the diameters as they get closer or further away. When you or your heirs figure it out, I'll concede.
jv1 Posted June 25 Author Posted June 25 Here is very rough drawing of voxel grid . Planes are very large and thin squares - no diameters involved . The mass is spread in very thin square - and all three squares have the same thickness- 1.6x10e-35m i hope this answer the question about distance between Planck masses . I do not invent physics - I have used so far Planck force (and description of what this force is- gravitational force between two PLANCK’s masses acting between them at Planck distance ) planck length planck mass Pressure in deep space density of dark matter Size of visible universe in m My question to you all is : Is it posible that gravitational force is created by pressure Po acting on area A of PLANCK’s mass is creating gravitational force? And from calculating density of the space from Planck mass divided with volum of this very thin square - we get dansity of very close to density if dark matter. Coud this be - pressure acting on dark matter be the mechanism of interaction between dark matter and gravity? From formulas F=Po x A and F=Gx m1xm2/re2( formula for gravity) we can calculate exactly the Po and Density if dark matter. Po=10e44/77.44x10e52 Po=77.44x10e-12=7.7x10e-11pa For two Planck masses : Po x A=G x me2 / re2 PoxA=Gx (AxDxLp)e2/Lpe2 Po x A=GxAe2 x De2 xLpe2/Lpe2 Po=G x A x De2 De2=Po/GxA D=1.58x10e-27kg/m3 D -density of dark matter A area of thin square Po pressure deep space Lp- Planck a length Again ,I did not invent anything
swansont Posted June 25 Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, jv1 said: Here is very rough drawing of voxel grid . Planes are very large and thin squares - no diameters involved . The mass is spread in very thin square - and all three squares have the same thickness- 1.6x10e-35m i hope this answer the question about distance between Planck masses . No, it doesn’t. I did not ask for the number, I asked how you can get this configuration. You can’t arbitrarily declare the masses are this close, or that it’s spread arbitrarily thin. Masses come in discrete chunks - electrons, protons, neutrons, etc. In an atom, the neutrons and protons only get to around 1 fm (10^-15m). The planck mass is just a derived number, as are all of the planck terms. There is no guarantee that you can configure a system to have these parameters. It’s a unit system, but nothing more.
jv1 Posted June 25 Author Posted June 25 Here is very rough drawing of voxel grid . Planes are very large and thin squares - no diameters involved . The mass is spread in very thin square - and all three squares have the same thickness- 1.6x10e-35m i hope this answer the question about distance between Planck masses . I do not invent physics - I have used so far Planck force (and description of what this force is- gravitational force between two PLANCK’s masses acting between them at Planck distance ) planck length planck mass Pressure in deep space density of dark matter Size of visible universe in m My question to you all is : Is it posible that gravitational force is created by pressure Po acting on area A of PLANCK’s mass is creating gravitational force? And from calculating density of the space from Planck mass divided with volum of this very thin square - we get dansity of very close to density if dark matter. Coud this be - pressure acting on dark matter be the mechanism of interaction between dark matter and gravity? From formulas F=Po x A and F=Gx m1xm2/re2( formula for gravity) we can calculate exactly the Po and Density if dark matter. Po=10e44/77.44x10e52 Po=77.44x10e-12=7.7x10e-11pa For two Planck masses : Po x A=G x me2 / re2 PoxA=Gx (AxDxLp)e2/Lpe2 Po x A=GxAe2 x De2 xLpe2/Lpe2 Po=G x A x De2 De2=Po/GxA D=1.58x10e-27kg/m3 D -density of dark matter A area of thin square Po pressure deep space Lp- Planck a length Again ,I did not invent anything To move voxels inside the grid would be sliding cubes ,like puzzle above - with no free space .
Mordred Posted June 25 Posted June 25 You may be using a couple of physics terms and values but your not applying anything one can describe as particles. Nor are you looking at mainstream equations. If you were you would know how mainstream physics applies pressure with regards to a particles equation of state.
jv1 Posted June 26 Author Posted June 26 This forum is called speculations, and I am extremely happy and thankful I was given the opportunity to say something different. If the hole visible universe is seen as voxel grid - grid made of Planck size cubes /voxels, every known particle in the universe can be shown as a volume made of the voxels. Planck mass included. And the trayectory of movement of each particle from gluons to galaxies can be simulated . The Planck units are the base - the building blocks of universe. But I have few questions for you guys : nobody is saying anything about the values of density of Planck mass calculated from formula for gravity ? it is equal to dark matter density ? The simulation of force created by pressure in deep Space acting on area (Planck mass)with sides which are equal to size of known universe-Is equal to planks force ? The 10e44N force can be simulated in universe - Planck voxel grid. The force 10e40 times stronger than strong force can be achieved in universe - and it is gravitational force? The gravitational force is 10e39 times smaller than strong force ? Is this just coincidence?
swansont Posted June 26 Posted June 26 7 minutes ago, jv1 said: This forum is called speculations But it’s not called the WAG forum. It has rules.
MigL Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) You don't seem to understand what Swansont and Mordred are trying to tell you. That much mass at that separation would gravitationally collapse. That means a very very small Black Hole; not what you envisage. At Planck scales the three major forces, gravity, electroweak and color force are postulated to be equivalent in strength, but as we can't even get close to those scales, it is only theory of a single grand unified force. ( and I have no clue what ImplicitDemands is yammering about ) Edited June 26 by MigL
Mordred Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Let me describe a useful voxel that would work. Each voxel represents the phase space describing the state of a particle. Now you can apply all the standard model of particle physics formulas under that geometric treatment.
jv1 Posted June 26 Author Posted June 26 The Plancks voxel grid is an attempt to simulate universe and interactions inside . The three planes are shown in stationary position . There is 8.8x10e26 of these planes held together by pressure Po acting on all sides . As long as pressure Po is constant nothing happens inside the grid . The force acting between each layer is Planck force - gravitational force. As you can see that force is outside force holding the grid together. From inside the grid ,it may look like planes are attracting each other - but they do not . They are held together from outside . Nothing will collapse - no black holes ,yet. The density of each Planck cube/ voxel is D=1.5x10e-27- this means that density is constant throughout the grid. To move single voxel for distance 1.6x10e-35m in any direction,the hole plane has to be moved for that distance . Single voxel is 000 position on drawing above . The North South magnetic bearing is “top” direction on outside above . To move voxel for a distance longer than plancks length ,the planes have to vibrates in sequence and push single voxel in desired direction. zig zag trayectory will be created On the picture above black dot is the voxel and red and blue lines are 1.6 x10e-35m long. This picture is just a part of zig zag helix loop. Harmonized (sequenced ) movement of many planes inside the grid create zig zag movement of many voxel and 000 voxel will finish the loop in time t. This zig zag loop can be seen as a wave . When two waves (zig zag loops are ) touching and one rotate CW and the other CCW they interlock- the zig zag parts are engaging like a threads This point looks like few voxels are together and not moving is what we call particle . This is the smallest particle in Plancks voxel grid. The diameter of loop will depend on what we call frequency.
swansont Posted June 26 Posted June 26 2 hours ago, jv1 said: The Plancks voxel grid is an attempt to simulate universe and interactions inside . What has your simulation produced?
Mordred Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) Too bad your not listening to the advise of two physicists. Your grids will only make sense if you incorporate phase space for each particle. The volumes you have are insufficient to be able to get any measurable quantities in regards to anything measurable on a particle. We cannot measure anything at Planck volume yet we can measure particle properties. Edited June 26 by Mordred
swansont Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Mordred was underselling things with “We cannot measure anything at Planck volume” It’s not like we’re only an order of magnitude or so away from measuring something at a planck length. It’s around 15.
joigus Posted June 26 Posted June 26 18 hours ago, jv1 said: The 10e44N force can be simulated in universe - Planck voxel grid. The force 10e40 times stronger than strong force can be achieved in universe - and it is gravitational force? The gravitational force is 10e39 times smaller than strong force ? Is this just coincidence? Obviously. grav force/strong force is a dimensionless number, and represents a natural scale in Nature. Newtons OTOH are just some convenient units useful on the Earth for weighing bricks and such. My own favourite unit of force is the Jocular, and one Jocular is equal to 1020 N. Your coincidence has just vanished when expressed in Joculars. I concur with the other objections expressed, btw.
jv1 Posted June 26 Author Posted June 26 I am thankful to all of you guys who find the time to look over and answer. Mayb I please explain a bit more about zig zag helix loops interlocking. The inartistic spin ( red /blue) lines of one loop turn CW and the other loop has CCW spin. These two spins are acting like a lock and they can have different values (360 degrees / 1turn, or 720 degrees for one full turn…,) This is very important when three or more loops are interlocking The most important thing I have said so far is that the density of Planck mass simulated as a plane made of Planck size voxel cubes - is equal to density of dark matter. The point of voxel grid simulation with Planck size cubes as an 0 particle is that the energy ,forces , particles (from gluon soup to galaxies ) inside the grid are made of dark matter. Energy inside the grid is flow of particles (planck size voxel cubes ) traveling at Planck speed . The cube particles created by interlocking zig zag loops (gluon to galaxies )are moving at speeds between 0 and Plancks speed. The voxels not moving at all are what we call dark matter .
swansont Posted June 26 Posted June 26 9 minutes ago, jv1 said: Mayb I please explain a bit more about zig zag helix loops interlocking. ! Moderator Note You need to address issues that others have raised. Failure to do so means you are soapboxing, and that continued rule violation will get this shut down.
Mordred Posted June 27 Posted June 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, jv1 said: I am thankful to all of you guys who find the time to look over and answer. Mayb I please explain a bit more about zig zag helix loops interlocking. The inartistic spin ( red /blue) lines of one loop turn CW and the other loop has CCW spin. These two spins are acting like a lock and they can have different values (360 degrees / 1turn, or 720 degrees for one full turn…,) This is very important when three or more loops are interlocking The most important thing I have said so far is that the density of Planck mass simulated as a plane made of Planck size voxel cubes - is equal to density of dark matter. The point of voxel grid simulation with Planck size cubes as an 0 particle is that the energy ,forces , particles (from gluon soup to galaxies ) inside the grid are made of dark matter. Energy inside the grid is flow of particles (planck size voxel cubes ) traveling at Planck speed . The cube particles created by interlocking zig zag loops (gluon to galaxies )are moving at speeds between 0 and Plancks speed. The voxels not moving at all are what we call dark matter You keep mentioning dark matter but I haven't seen a single calculation that can possibly describe DM or it's density. In terms of spin particles with spin 1/2 require a 720 degree rotation to return to its original state. That is not true for spin zero or spin 1 particles. Spin however is not a spinning ball it is internal relations that have rotational symmetry. Example a sinusoidal wavefunction has rotation symmetry. As I mentioned before take time learning physics instead of randomly declaring your idea does this or that with zero basis of accuracy. Edited June 27 by Mordred
jv1 Posted June 27 Author Posted June 27 I really do not like that soapboxing expression.I will answer question directly. We follow red voxel cube traveling in helix through the Plancks grid. Beside moving in circle trayectory ,red voxel has intristic spin around the helix. It takes red voxel 720 degrees to finish one full circle around main helix trayectory . That is intrusive 1/2 spin. When another loop with red voxel 2 is close to the loop 1 , segment of both helixes interlock for the length of 720 degrees (one intrinsic spin turn). For loops ti interlock it takes energy (big bang,hemical etc) if the smaller loop with the red voxel having 320 degrees spin for one turn comes to contact with loop with 720 spin(1-2) it can have spin 1 or spin 0 The interlocking segment in 360 loop is as twice as small as interlocking segment of loop 720. The spin can be up or down - it depends which way helix (big loop is turning). This is simulation and simple 3 D explanation what the particle spin actually is. Particle is segment of two or more loops where intrinsic spins mash together. The voxels inside the locking area are always flowing - traveling in the loop- but we have perception that it is the same stationary voxel. To change the particle (interlocking segment)trajectory the force is acting not mass of particle - it is acting on mass of loops too. This is the reason why we think gravitational force is small for sun atomic particles . With usw of Plancks voxel grid it can be proved that all forces in nature are one force - Plancks force .
swansont Posted June 27 Posted June 27 1 hour ago, jv1 said: I really do not like that soapboxing expression.I will answer question directly. And yet you have not done so Quote With usw of Plancks voxel grid it can be proved that all forces in nature are one force - Plancks force . The Planck force is just a number for a particular scale. It’s not a kind of force.
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