Proposal for Collaboration on Advanced Hydrogen Production Experiment

[benokrah]

Hello everyone,

We are excited to propose a collaborative effort to validate a groundbreaking bio-chemical process inspired by nature’s efficient hydrogen production mechanisms. Our aim is to test this process within a thermo-chemical system, offering a faster and more efficient alternative to current methane combustion methods.

Current hydrogen production techniques, such as steam reforming and electrolysis, face significant challenges due to high energy requirements and environmental concerns. Our innovative approach seeks to overcome these obstacles by leveraging bio-chemical processes for efficient and sustainable hydrogen production.

We invite collaborators interested in exploring this revolutionary research with us. Stay tuned for more details on the problem statement and our proposed solution tomorrow

[exchemist]

1 hour ago, benokrah said:

Hello everyone,

We are excited to propose a collaborative effort to validate a groundbreaking bio-chemical process inspired by nature’s efficient hydrogen production mechanisms. Our aim is to test this process within a thermo-chemical system, offering a faster and more efficient alternative to current methane combustion methods.

Current hydrogen production techniques, such as steam reforming and electrolysis, face significant challenges due to high energy requirements and environmental concerns. Our innovative approach seeks to overcome these obstacles by leveraging bio-chemical processes for efficient and sustainable hydrogen production.

We invite collaborators interested in exploring this revolutionary research with us. Stay tuned for more details on the problem statement and our proposed solution tomorrow

Who is “we”?

[joigus]

We the people?

[chenbeier]

Which people?

Which nature’s efficient hydrogen production mechanisms you talking about. Never heard that nature produces hydrogen a reduced gas. Opposit oxygen by photosynthesis is well known.

 

Edited July 15 by chenbeier

[Phi for All]

2 hours ago, benokrah said:

Stay tuned for more details on the problem statement and our proposed solution tomorrow

This is a spectacularly horrible way to start any conversation. You'll tell us something tomorrow you aren't sure of today?!

This is a science discussion forum. If this is a commercial come-on, it's not wanted here.

[chenbeier]

9 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

This is a spectacularly horrible way to start any conversation. You'll tell us something tomorrow you aren't sure of today?!

This is a science discussion forum. If this is a commercial come-on, it's not wanted here.

I agree with that

[benokrah]

23 hours ago, benokrah said:

Hello everyone,

We are excited to propose a collaborative effort to validate a groundbreaking bio-chemical process inspired by nature’s efficient hydrogen production mechanisms. Our aim is to test this process within a thermo-chemical system, offering a faster and more efficient alternative to current methane combustion methods.

Current hydrogen production techniques, such as steam reforming and electrolysis, face significant challenges due to high energy requirements and environmental concerns. Our innovative approach seeks to overcome these obstacles by leveraging bio-chemical processes for efficient and sustainable hydrogen production.

We invite collaborators interested in exploring this revolutionary research with us. Stay tuned for more details on the problem statement and our proposed solution tomorrow

Continuation:

Problem Statement:

Current hydrogen production techniques, such as steam reforming and electrolysis, are burdened by high energy requirements and negative effects on the environmental. These methods are costly and contribute to carbon emissions, making them unsustainable in the long term. Our project seek to address these issues by exploring nature-inspired solutions. In particular, we plan to test a bio-chemical process within a thermo-chemical system, which promises to be faster and more efficient than traditional methane combustion. We think this strategy can be scaled up for sustainable hydrogen production because it has demonstrated impressive efficiency in natural processes.

Proposed Solution Overview:

Our suggested reactions, which take their cue from the efficiency of nature, show promising thermodynamic properties for the production of hydrogen in a thermo-chemical system. We are concentrating on the following reactions:

Reaction 1 : 6CH₄+2H₂O+10O₂  -->  6CO₂+4H₂+10H₂O

Reaction 2: C₆H₁₂O₆+H₂O+5O₂ -->  6CO₂+2H₂+5H₂O

These innovative approaches not only offer clean and renewable energy sources but also minimize energy inputs, thus advancing the feasibility and scalability of hydrogen production. Our simulations have affirmed the viability of these approaches, showcasing stable and efficient hydrogen production. Based on standard conditions, they demonstrate favorable thermodynamic properties, as shown by the calculated standard enthalpy (Delta H°) and standard Gibbs free energy (Delta G°).

Thermodynamic Analysis:

Standard Enthalpy (Delta H°): Reaction 1's negative value of -3846 kJ/mol shows that the reaction is exothermic, which means that heat is released into the environment.
Standard Gibbs Free Energy (Delta G°): For Reaction 1, the value is about -3890 kJ/mol. This indicates that, under standard conditions, the reaction is spontaneous, meaning it will proceed forward in the absence of external energy input.

Simulation Results:

Our models validate the feasibility of our methods, demonstrating steady and effective hydrogen production that is similar to natural processes. This graph shows the steady production of hydrogen by showing the concentrations of gases over time.

Figure 1: Plot of Gas concentrations over time

Conclusion:

Testing this bio-chemical process within a thermo-chemical system holds immense potential for transform the hydrogen economy. By mimicking nature’s efficiency, we can achieve faster and more efficient hydrogen production compared to current methane combustion/reforming methods, thereby reducing energy demands and environmental impacts.

When we were working on dark fermentation, we discovered that certain living things could completely oxidize glucose or methane to carbon dioxide if they had access to water and oxygen in the right ratios. Opportunities to forecast and validate additional reactions will arise from this validation.

Feedback Requested:

We encourage collaborators to discuss and offer their perspectives on our suggested reactions, which are workable at standard pressure and temperature levels. We value your opinions as we investigate sustainable hydrogen production. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

 

 

23 hours ago, exchemist said:

Who is “we”?

When I mentioned 'we,' I was referring to our team working on exploring innovative bio-chemical processes for hydrogen production.

22 hours ago, chenbeier said:

Which people?

Which nature’s efficient hydrogen production mechanisms you talking about. Never heard that nature produces hydrogen a reduced gas. Opposit oxygen by photosynthesis is well known.

 

Hi, We appreciate your interest. We are investigating biological processes that resemble dark and photo fermentation, in which some microbes have demonstrated the capacity to undergo biochemical reactions and produce hydrogen gas.

Although the creation of oxygen by photosynthesis is well known, our focus is on less well-known mechanisms that might be able to explain the underground deposits of hydrogen and natural gas found during the search for fossil fuels.

[chenbeier]

30 minutes ago, benokrah said:

Continuation:

Problem Statement:

Current hydrogen production techniques, such as steam reforming and electrolysis, are burdened by high energy requirements and negative effects on the environmental. These methods are costly and contribute to carbon emissions, making them unsustainable in the long term. Our project seek to address these issues by exploring nature-inspired solutions. In particular, we plan to test a bio-chemical process within a thermo-chemical system, which promises to be faster and more efficient than traditional methane combustion. We think this strategy can be scaled up for sustainable hydrogen production because it has demonstrated impressive efficiency in natural processes.

Proposed Solution Overview:

Our suggested reactions, which take their cue from the efficiency of nature, show promising thermodynamic properties for the production of hydrogen in a thermo-chemical system. We are concentrating on the following reactions:

Reaction 1 : 6CH₄+2H₂O+10O₂  -->  6CO₂+4H₂+10H₂O

Reaction 2: C₆H₁₂O₆+H₂O+5O₂ -->  6CO₂+2H₂+5H₂O

These innovative approaches not only offer clean and renewable energy sources but also minimize energy inputs, thus advancing the feasibility and scalability of hydrogen production. Our simulations have affirmed the viability of these approaches, showcasing stable and efficient hydrogen production. Based on standard conditions, they demonstrate favorable thermodynamic properties, as shown by the calculated standard enthalpy (Delta H°) and standard Gibbs free energy (Delta G°).

Thermodynamic Analysis:

Standard Enthalpy (Delta H°): Reaction 1's negative value of -3846 kJ/mol shows that the reaction is exothermic, which means that heat is released into the environment.
Standard Gibbs Free Energy (Delta G°): For Reaction 1, the value is about -3890 kJ/mol. This indicates that, under standard conditions, the reaction is spontaneous, meaning it will proceed forward in the absence of external energy input.

Simulation Results:

Our models validate the feasibility of our methods, demonstrating steady and effective hydrogen production that is similar to natural processes. This graph shows the steady production of hydrogen by showing the concentrations of gases over time.

Figure 1: Plot of Gas concentrations over time

Conclusion:

Testing this bio-chemical process within a thermo-chemical system holds immense potential for transform the hydrogen economy. By mimicking nature’s efficiency, we can achieve faster and more efficient hydrogen production compared to current methane combustion/reforming methods, thereby reducing energy demands and environmental impacts.

When we were working on dark fermentation, we discovered that certain living things could completely oxidize glucose or methane to carbon dioxide if they had access to water and oxygen in the right ratios. Opportunities to forecast and validate additional reactions will arise from this validation.

Feedback Requested:

We encourage collaborators to discuss and offer their perspectives on our suggested reactions, which are workable at standard pressure and temperature levels. We value your opinions as we investigate sustainable hydrogen production. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

 

 

When I mentioned 'we,' I was referring to our team working on exploring innovative bio-chemical processes for hydrogen production.

Reaction 1 : 6CH₄+2H₂O+10O₂  -->  6CO₂+4H₂+10H₂O

Reaction 2: C₆H₁₂O₆+H₂O+5O₂ -->  6CO₂+2H₂+5H₂O

You have water as reactant and product makes no sense. You burn carbon and also partly hydrogen but also reduce hydrogen.

This would be simple to

Reaction 1 : CH₄+ O₂  -->  CO₂+2H₂

Reaction 2: C₆H₁₂O₆+3O₂ -->  6CO₂+6H₂

Only oxidising the carbon but reducing hydrogen.

But which plant use one of these processing.

 

Edited July 16 by chenbeier

[sethoflagos]

The carbon in the methane feedstock gets oxidised to CO₂.

The hydrogen product derived from the methane feedstock ultimately produces H₂O.

How is this significantly different to simply combusting methane in a single (and far less costly) process?

By what Byzantine mental process are we to understand your use of the term 'green'?

[exchemist]

46 minutes ago, benokrah said:

Continuation:

Problem Statement:

Current hydrogen production techniques, such as steam reforming and electrolysis, are burdened by high energy requirements and negative effects on the environmental. These methods are costly and contribute to carbon emissions, making them unsustainable in the long term. Our project seek to address these issues by exploring nature-inspired solutions. In particular, we plan to test a bio-chemical process within a thermo-chemical system, which promises to be faster and more efficient than traditional methane combustion. We think this strategy can be scaled up for sustainable hydrogen production because it has demonstrated impressive efficiency in natural processes.

Proposed Solution Overview:

Our suggested reactions, which take their cue from the efficiency of nature, show promising thermodynamic properties for the production of hydrogen in a thermo-chemical system. We are concentrating on the following reactions:

Reaction 1 : 6CH₄+2H₂O+10O₂  -->  6CO₂+4H₂+10H₂O

Reaction 2: C₆H₁₂O₆+H₂O+5O₂ -->  6CO₂+2H₂+5H₂O

These innovative approaches not only offer clean and renewable energy sources but also minimize energy inputs, thus advancing the feasibility and scalability of hydrogen production. Our simulations have affirmed the viability of these approaches, showcasing stable and efficient hydrogen production. Based on standard conditions, they demonstrate favorable thermodynamic properties, as shown by the calculated standard enthalpy (Delta H°) and standard Gibbs free energy (Delta G°).

Thermodynamic Analysis:

Standard Enthalpy (Delta H°): Reaction 1's negative value of -3846 kJ/mol shows that the reaction is exothermic, which means that heat is released into the environment.
Standard Gibbs Free Energy (Delta G°): For Reaction 1, the value is about -3890 kJ/mol. This indicates that, under standard conditions, the reaction is spontaneous, meaning it will proceed forward in the absence of external energy input.

Simulation Results:

Our models validate the feasibility of our methods, demonstrating steady and effective hydrogen production that is similar to natural processes. This graph shows the steady production of hydrogen by showing the concentrations of gases over time.

Figure 1: Plot of Gas concentrations over time

Conclusion:

Testing this bio-chemical process within a thermo-chemical system holds immense potential for transform the hydrogen economy. By mimicking nature’s efficiency, we can achieve faster and more efficient hydrogen production compared to current methane combustion/reforming methods, thereby reducing energy demands and environmental impacts.

When we were working on dark fermentation, we discovered that certain living things could completely oxidize glucose or methane to carbon dioxide if they had access to water and oxygen in the right ratios. Opportunities to forecast and validate additional reactions will arise from this validation.

Feedback Requested:

We encourage collaborators to discuss and offer their perspectives on our suggested reactions, which are workable at standard pressure and temperature levels. We value your opinions as we investigate sustainable hydrogen production. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

 

 

When I mentioned 'we,' I was referring to our team working on exploring innovative bio-chemical processes for hydrogen production.

Hi, We appreciate your interest. We are investigating biological processes that resemble dark and photo fermentation, in which some microbes have demonstrated the capacity to undergo biochemical reactions and produce hydrogen gas.

Although the creation of oxygen by photosynthesis is well known, our focus is on less well-known mechanisms that might be able to explain the underground deposits of hydrogen and natural gas found during the search for fossil fuels.

How is this “green”, if it generates CO2 as a byproduct? Electrolysis may be currently inefficient, but at least it does not do that. What you are doing, if this scheme works, is produce “blue” hydrogen. This cannot be part of a long term solution for hydrogen production.

Secondly, who is “we”? I asked this before and your answer was “we” refers to “our” team.  Whose team, then?

[benokrah]

23 hours ago, chenbeier said:

I agree with that

Thank you for your feedback. We've addressed your concerns by providing more detailed information. Please take a look when you get a chance

[chenbeier]

I think it's only trolling, no scientific backgrounds.

[benokrah]

1 hour ago, chenbeier said:

Reaction 1 : 6CH₄+2H₂O+10O₂  -->  6CO₂+4H₂+10H₂O

Reaction 2: C₆H₁₂O₆+H₂O+5O₂ -->  6CO₂+2H₂+5H₂O

You have water as reactant and product makes no sense. You burn carbon and also partly hydrogen but also reduce hydrogen.

This would be simple to

Reaction 1 : CH₄+ O₂  -->  CO₂+2H₂

Reaction 2: C₆H₁₂O₆+3O₂ -->  6CO₂+6H₂

Only oxidising the carbon but reducing hydrogen.

But which plant use one of these processing.

 

I appreciate your insightful comments. Our bacterial studies have demonstrated how important it is for water-to-oxygen ratios to affect hydrogen production. It is important to remember that when oxygen is the only gas present, the main products are carbon dioxide and water, with very little hydrogen being produced.

Furthermore, our bacterial research has revealed a wider spectrum that includes these suggested reactions. They shed light on the reason why biogas usually has lower methane concentrations than natural gas.

[chenbeier]

Sorry you taking around the "hot porridge". No scientific datas. Tell us what are you doing.

[benokrah]

19 hours ago, sethoflagos said:

The carbon in the methane feedstock gets oxidised to CO₂.

The hydrogen product derived from the methane feedstock ultimately produces H₂O.

How is this significantly different to simply combusting methane in a single (and far less costly) process?

By what Byzantine mental process are we to understand your use of the term 'green'?

Our strategy revolves around utilizing biochemically derived renewable feedstocks (biomass). Unlike finite fossil fuels that contribute to carbon emissions, renewable feedstocks provide a sustainable alternative.

Why not mimic what bacteria do, which is a single process similar to combustion but optimized for hydrogen yield through particular water-to-oxygen ratios, instead of just burning methane for energy? The goal of this strategy is to capitalize on the efficiencies found in natural systems.

[chenbeier]

Stopp the Troll

[benokrah]

On 7/15/2024 at 4:40 PM, chenbeier said:

Which people?

Which nature’s efficient hydrogen production mechanisms you talking about. Never heard that nature produces hydrogen a reduced gas. Opposit oxygen by photosynthesis is well known.

 

Thanks for your questions. "Nature's efficient mechanisms for producing hydrogen" refers to processes where bacteria and microorganisms produce hydrogen as a byproduct, such as dark fermentation and photo-fermentation. These processes are distinct from the more widely recognized process of photosynthesis, which generates oxygen, and are a part of natural anaerobic digestion. In this field, one of the reactions under investigation is: C₆H₁₂O₆+6H₂O → 6CO₂+12H₂.

I hope this clarifies things. If you have any more questions or need further details, please let me know.

We are exploring all possible pathways to close the energy cycle.

22 hours ago, exchemist said:

How is this “green”, if it generates CO2 as a byproduct? Electrolysis may be currently inefficient, but at least it does not do that. What you are doing, if this scheme works, is produce “blue” hydrogen. This cannot be part of a long term solution for hydrogen production.

Secondly, who is “we”? I asked this before and your answer was “we” refers to “our” team.  Whose team, then?

Our approach is considered "green" because it utilizes renewable feedstocks such as biomass instead of fossil fuels. While our method does produce CO₂, the overall carbon footprint is reduced because the CO₂ is part of a natural carbon cycle, not emitted from fossil fuel combustion. We are actively researching methods to capture and utilize this CO₂.

As for your second question, when we say "we," we are referring to a group of private individuals with backgrounds in engineering and mathematics. Our team is committed to exploring effective and sustainable methods for hydrogen production inspired by natural processes. Our primary goal is to proactively close the energy cycle in nature.