What's so valuable about art?

[dimreepr]

16 hours ago, swansont said:

 

Hence my mentions of uniqueness.

 

You seem to have missed my mention of the artworld manufacturing the value of art.

That's why I admire Banksy's art, he makes it almost impossible to own and everyone can see the picture.

Uniqueness, in the mind of a rich/selfish man, is something I can spend a fortune on and it not cost me a penny, and still not even see the picture; it's value is +1 to me...

17 hours ago, swansont said:

I said stop trolling. I see that you have not.

That seems a little harsh, it is my thread...

The most valuable thing I've gotten from art, is the most poignant moment of my life; looking out on Juno beach and my mind superimposing the opening credit's of 'Dad's Army' on the scene in front of me.

It gave me a real insight into the value of life...

[swansont]

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

You seem to have missed my mention of the artworld manufacturing the value of art.

How exactly does it do that?

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

That seems a little harsh, it is my thread...

Starting a thread dies not give you permission to troll.

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

The most valuable thing I've gotten from art, is the most poignant moment of my life; looking out on Juno beach and my mind superimposing the opening credit's of 'Dad's Army' on the scene in front of me.

It gave me a real insight into the value of life...

It’s great that you have an appreciation for (some) art. But that would seem to be beside the point.

[dimreepr]

23 hours ago, swansont said:

How exactly does it do that?

I have explained throughout our exchanges, uniqueness in art is the antipode of supply and demand, it has to be created from the bootstrap. 

A teacup from the titanic, has many thousands of copies in many a bric-a-brac sale going for pennies, if I can manufacture a link that people will believe, then that teacup will return 10,000% profit for each one that I introduce to the market, in a believable fashion.

[swansont]

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

I have explained throughout our exchanges, uniqueness in art is the antipode of supply and demand, it has to be created from the bootstrap. 

Baloney. Repeating this doesn’t make it true, nor does it explain anything.

Copies are inexpensive because you can make as many as you want, with little creativity or originality required.

How do you “create” uniqueness? The fact that it’s a one-off makes it unique, by definition.

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

A teacup from the titanic, has many thousands of copies in many a bric-a-brac sale going for pennies, if I can manufacture a link that people will believe, then that teacup will return 10,000% profit for each one that I introduce to the market, in a believable fashion.

Fraud/deception is not art, but you would be selling the notion of rarity; you could not bilk anyone without that illusion. Thank you for supporting my point.

[Night FM]

This is my perception only, but art is part of human creativity. And creativity has intrinsic value. I believe that science is likewise an avenue for human creativity, and we naturally assume that science has intrinsic value. (Though art and science do have more practical uses as well, such as using science to invent technologies, or using art to promote political causes).

If we go by Maslow's hierarchy of needs, then creativity is a part of self-actualization, which sits at the top of the hierarchy.

Edited August 28 by Night FM

[dimreepr]

5 hours ago, Night FM said:

This is my perception only, but art is part of human creativity. And creativity has intrinsic value. I believe that science is likewise an avenue for human creativity, and we naturally assume that science has intrinsic value. (Though art and science do have more practical uses as well, such as using science to invent technologies, or using art to promote political causes).

If we go by Maslow's hierarchy of needs, then creativity is a part of self-actualization, which sits at the top of the hierarchy.

There is no map to art, no path to follow, no uber to summon and pay for the journey; Maslow may as well be saying "in my spare time, I dabble with finger paints. Some time in the future that will be very valuable too someone, if they've got enough spare..."

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And what there is to conquer By strength and submission, has already been discovered Once or twice, or several times, by men whom one cannot hope To emulate – but there is no competition. - T S Elliot 

 

Edited August 28 by dimreepr

[sethoflagos]

8 hours ago, Night FM said:

This is my perception only, but art is part of human creativity. And creativity has intrinsic value.

'Value' is too ambiguous a term here.

Although it remains highly subjective in degree, 'artistic merit' in terms of craftsmanship, relevance and depth of personal expression is a better concept to work with I think.

This at least excludes the market value of exclusive private ownership of the work which I see as an entirely separate (arguably psychotic) consideration.

Some of the above posts seem not to make a clear, or indeed any, distinction between the two measures.