Harris vs Trump;

[Peterkin]

I wonder what Canada will do with eight late-night talk show hosts and two thousand climate scientists.

[CharonY]

40 minutes ago, Peterkin said:

I wonder what Canada will do with eight late-night talk show hosts and two thousand climate scientists.

I think they will be feel very much at home seeing the pickups with confederate flags...

Plus, depending on the province and how the next Federal election will go, there might be 2,000 additional jobless folks.

[Luc Turpin]

Canada's version of Trump is called Pierre Poilievre, but with no nuke button.

If an election was held today, the race would not even be close as Poilievre's Conservative Party commands a 22 points lead in poling over the next closest rival, Trudeau's Liberal; currently the party in power.

Pickups adorn Canadian flags, implying that they are the only true patriots. Most with such adornments go faster than everyone else, do not signal and cut into lineups. They behave as if they are right and the rest of us are knuckleheads. Altruism at its finest hour.

[MigL]

Canadians like the Confederate flag because it looks 'cool', most have no idea what it signifies, nor do they care.

I don't like PP either, a little too 'slick' for my taste ( would love to see Peter MacKay as PM ), but keep in mind that Canadian Conservatives are more liberal than American Democrats

[Luc Turpin]

10 minutes ago, MigL said:

1-Canadians like the Confederate flag because it looks 'cool', most have no idea what it signifies, nor do they care.

2- but keep in mind that Canadian Conservatives are more liberal than American Democrats

Right on both counts

[joigus]

21 minutes ago, MigL said:

but keep in mind that Canadian Conservatives are more liberal than American Democrats

Is that why they're called 'progressive conservatives'?

What are they trying to progress in the conservation of?

I like that. I'm very eclectic. I like to discuss problems one by one. One of the things that make me nervous about many political movements is that you must accept their whole agenda. It's either that, or you're a fascist, or a Bolshevik.

Edited 8 hours ago by joigus
minor correction+addition+correction

[Peterkin]

54 minutes ago, joigus said:

Is that why they're called 'progressive conservatives'?

The progressive conservatives were stabbed in the back 20 years ago and the Alliance dropped any pretence of a progressive element. Since then, they've been pulled farther and farther right. If they take power, they're unlikely to give it up again until they destroy public services and climate mitigation efforts - and the tolerance we've worked so long to achieve. 

The whole world is in imminent danger of spiralling into big black holes of totalitarianism.    

[dimreepr]

12 hours ago, CharonY said:

As Trump said, he sees the enemy within. Well and perhaps he is going to randomly bomb Mexico.

More likely Delaware, bc their beauty queen was a very pretty man...

[CharonY]

1 hour ago, MigL said:

Canadians like the Confederate flag because it looks 'cool', most have no idea what it signifies, nor do they care.

Eh, I kinda doubt that this still true at this point in time. Also, the Trump flags next to F*ck Trudeau stickers is jarring.

1 hour ago, MigL said:

but keep in mind that Canadian Conservatives are more liberal than American Democrats

That is certainly not universally true. There are aspects that are certainly different from US conservatives and in some cases (e.g. firearms) it is because they cater to a radical minority.

So I would say that Canadian extreme right has less sway over the party than in their equivalent in the USA (which at this point is largely dominating the party). However, especially on the provincial level conservatives are adopting (perhaps milder) US style campaigning and have sowed vaccine skepticism (https://www.nationalobserver.com/), tend to ignore climate change and for some reasons are obsessed with trans folks.

Looking at the US election, 44% of Canadian conservatives prefer Trump over Harris (36%)  (https://www.environicsinstitute.org/docs/default-source/default-document-library/read-the-report6589c781-7dd1-40c2-b3ad-372bb98c1aa1.pdf?sfvrsn=cac8947f_1). That is clearly more US Independent territory than Democrat.

Likewise, on abortion rights, Canadian conservatives are far more in favour (66%) compared to the US Republicans or even Independents (34%/58%) but still less than US Democrats (89%). Canadian Liberals are closer to US Democrats (91%). Economically, on statements of social and economic justice (i.e., government should do more to make sure racial minorities are treated fairly and government should reduce income gap between poor and rich), Canadian Conservatives (62% and 58% in favour) are close to US Independents (64%/50%) than US Democrats (93%/87%). The percentage is still higher than US Republicans (36%/34%).

Still, while Canadian conservatives as a whole are are more to the left of US Republicans, they are closer to Independents rather than Democrats. Some surveys do show further movement to the right in Canada, especially in some provinces, suggesting that the polarization in USA, which has been largely absent until ~2019 in Canada might also start to settle in.

 

[CharonY]

On 10/28/2024 at 3:05 PM, StringJunky said:

With Trump's words it's not sanewashing, it's total reconstruction and fairy tales.

You are right. I should avoid these funny little buzzwords that obscure how obscene and crazy the actual situation is.

[MigL]

3 hours ago, CharonY said:

So I would say that Canadian extreme right has less sway over the party than in their equivalent in the USA (which at this point is largely dominating the party).

True.
While Canada has fringe far right, and fringe far left, in the US most of the Republican party, other than a handful, are the far right. And I'm talking about the political parties, not the orientation of the general population.
Canada's three major parties are essentially 'centrist', while America's are now center to far right.
I can similarly name many Democrats who are considerably 'right wing'.

Edited 2 hours ago by MigL

[CharonY]

37 minutes ago, MigL said:

True.
While Canada has fringe far right, and fringe far left, in the US most of the Republican party, other than a handful, are the far right. And I'm talking about the political parties, not the orientation of the general population.
Canada's three major parties are essentially 'centrist', while America's are now center to far right.
I can similarly name many Democrats who are considerably 'right wing'.

I think there is some fracturing going on there and it looks to me that especially on the provincial level conservatives are dipping their toes into certain areas such as vaccination, gender identity and so on to see whether that gives them a boost. It looks a fair bit like the US around 10 years back but in some areas there is some radicalization going on for sure.

Unfortunately American Crazy is a potent export and I am not sure whether even on the Federal level the Canadian parties can counteract that.