Polls on Trump vs Haley in Nevada

[Linkey]

In Feb 2024 Republican primary elections in Nevada, the NOTA option won. I was unable to google, how many votes did this option gather exactly? And also I have a question: had there in Nevada been performed any polls prior to these elections? In some states (Washington), Haley got more than Trump, maybe Nevada was one of them?
Some people say that the NOTA votes were for Trump since he didn’t participate in these Nevada elections, but I think this is not true. For me, Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin, and for the Americans it would be better to vote NOTE in nearest elections (more exactly, spoil the ballot).

[swansont]

8 hours ago, Linkey said:

For me, Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin,

I don’t understand when people say things like this, but at this point I don’t care; I just assume they were dropped on their head as a child and lack the ability to distinguish the many differences

8 hours ago, Linkey said:

and for the Americans it would be better to vote NOTE in nearest elections (more exactly, spoil the ballot).

Which is not an option, so this is moot. “spoiling” the ballot (like with 3rd party candidates) just might get the fascist elected

[Peterkin]

6 hours ago, Linkey said:

For me, Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin,

Heads, progressive democratic government and robust economy; tails, dictatorship by a rabid, power-mad, vindictive, demented felon. Or, they could throw the coin away and have no government. Interesting proposition. 

Edited October 23 by Peterkin
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[Phi for All]

7 hours ago, Linkey said:

For me, Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin, and for the Americans it would be better to vote NOTE in nearest elections (more exactly, spoil the ballot).

This sounds like pro-Trump propaganda from a troll farm, and as such is one of the stupidest things any American who wants to preserve our democracy could do. 

7 hours ago, Linkey said:

Some people say...

Yep. Straight from TFG's scripts. 

[TheVat]

8 hours ago, Linkey said:

For me, Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin,

When you use a Q-tip to clean your ear, you need to stop pushing it in when you encounter resistance.  I'm sorry this advisory didn't reach you earlier!  

 

[Linkey]

2 hours ago, Peterkin said:

Heads, progressive democratic government and robust economy; tails, dictatorship by a rabid, power-mad, vindictive, demented felon. Or, they could throw the coin away and have no government. Interesting proposition. 

I visit this forum quite seldom; so I see this is a forum of Dem supporters (anti-Trumpists)?

Edited October 23 by Linkey

[CharonY]

I think it is fair to say that this forum is somewhat biased against convicted felons, has a dislike of rapists and is not particular fond of folks who have proclaimed plans to undermine democracy to establish an autocratic rule.

Some folks are just biased that way.

[Linkey]

4 hours ago, swansont said:

Which is not an option, so this is moot. “spoiling” the ballot (like with 3rd party candidates) just might get the fascist elected

I suppose, if the NOTA option wins, the ruling elites will understand that they have to do something; and Biden will support Michelle Obama and make her his candidate, while the Reps will alter some laws and let Arnold Schwarzenegger be their candidates. So the Americans will choose between M. Obama and A. Schwarzenegger; for you they are fascists?

[swansont]

39 minutes ago, Linkey said:

I suppose, if the NOTA option wins, the ruling elites will understand that they have to do something; and Biden will support Michelle Obama and make her his candidate, while the Reps will alter some laws and let Arnold Schwarzenegger be their candidates. So the Americans will choose between M. Obama and A. Schwarzenegger; for you they are fascists?

There is no NOTA option. As I said, this is moot. AFAICT Nevada (actually NOTC, “None of these candidates”) is the only state that uses this, and even then it has no direct effect, since the candidate with the highest total still wins. The only effect is siphoning votes, which might be antisymmetric between the candidates.

Arnold can’t be president unless the Constitution is amended.

If you pretend you don’t know who the fascist is in this election, I have to go with Phi - straight from a script. (since too stupid to breathe is off the table). How are things in Russia?

[CharonY]

Also it is funny to assume that a conservative group is supposedly going to do anything to change the status quo. Commitment to traditionalism is kind of a defining element.

[Peterkin]

1 hour ago, Linkey said:

I visit this forum quite seldom; so I see this is a forum of Dem supporters (anti-Trumpists)?

All the ones who are awake, yes. If you're interested, get informed. Otherwise, you're just blowing more hot air.

I've come across a couple of otherwise benign-seeming people recently who declared that they would vote for Trump. (Fortunately, they don't live in the US.) Asked why, it's simply because they're against abortion. They know nothing else about either candidate and don't care. The willful ignorance and blinkered view of a large number of citizens can topple democracy anywhere, any time. 

... Oh well, Germany survived a less stupid, mendacious and greedy dictator, though not without collateral damage.    

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[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, Linkey said:

I visit this forum quite seldom; so I see this is a forum of Dem supporters (anti-Trumpists)?

Dem, as in Democracy? Yes. There are few people here who want to see it overthrown in favor of a corrupt despot. Rule of law is still important to us, as is integrity, honesty, and compassion. 

Most of us here also enjoy a good sense of humor. Have you ever noticed that TFG has never, NEVER said anything even remotely witty or chuckle-worthy? He insults in an elementary, Rickles-esque manner, and his worshippers laugh when he makes fun of others, but the man doesn't have the imagination or character to say something genuinely funny. Never funny. Never. NEVER.

[swansont]

1 hour ago, Linkey said:

I visit this forum quite seldom; so I see this is a forum of Dem supporters (anti-Trumpists)?

We’ve had supporters of the right here, but some of them had difficulty posting in good faith or otherwise violated the rules i.e. they repeated lies, didn’t cite sources, asserted opinion as fact. That tends to shorten the time folks stick around.

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, Linkey said:

I suppose, if the NOTA option wins, the ruling elites will understand that they have to do something; and Biden will support Michelle Obama and make her his candidate, while the Reps will alter some laws and let Arnold Schwarzenegger be their candidates. So the Americans will choose between M. Obama and A. Schwarzenegger; for you they are fascists?

"Babble babble babble, flood the zone with shit, same old script as last time, I am full of it!" 

[Linkey]

I am talking at different forums, in particular a US political forum where the Trumpists are dominating (thepoliticsforums.com). It is funny that when I told them that Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin – they reacted almost like you, maybe even in similar words.

So I asked them the same question as here: had been any polls performed in Nevada prior to the Republican primary elections? When I said that the NOTA option won there, they replied that the NOTA in Nevada was a vote for Trump, since Trump didn’t participate in that elections. I suppose that this is wrong, and if Trump participated there, the NOTA option would still win. Can you give me some information that I will show them it as an argument?

[Peterkin]

23 minutes ago, Linkey said:

When I said that the NOTA option won there, they replied that the NOTA in Nevada was a vote for Trump, since Trump didn’t participate in that elections.

Do you understand the difference between elections and primaries? The Trump team didn't file the paperwork on time for the primary voting, but he did compete in the caucus. So he participated  - are you kidding?? He's never stopped campaigning since 2016!  - in the Republican delegate selection process, and the party members knew this, so voted NOTA, because his name wasn't one of the candidates listed. https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/primaries-and-caucuses/results/nevada

It wasn't that hard to find. Maybe next time you can do it all by yourself.

None of this has anything to do with Harris,

[J.C.MacSwell]

3 hours ago, Linkey said:

I am talking at different forums, in particular a US political forum where the Trumpists are dominating (thepoliticsforums.com). It is funny that when I told them that Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin – they reacted almost like you, maybe even in similar words.

 

Shocked to hear that...given that exactly none of them would be likely to claim a similarity...the Trump kool-aid doesn't include those ingredients...it's more towards accepting a pussy grabbing messiah here to deliver us from the evils of democracy...

[swansont]

4 hours ago, Linkey said:

I am talking at different forums, in particular a US political forum where the Trumpists are dominating (thepoliticsforums.com). It is funny that when I told them that Trump and Harris are two sides of the same coin – they reacted almost like you, maybe even in similar words.

So I asked them the same question as here: had been any polls performed in Nevada prior to the Republican primary elections? When I said that the NOTA option won there, they replied that the NOTA in Nevada was a vote for Trump, since Trump didn’t participate in that elections. I suppose that this is wrong, and if Trump participated there, the NOTA option would still win. Can you give me some information that I will show them it as an argument?

NOTC got 63.3%, Haley 30.6%, Pence 3.9% and Tim Scott 1.3%. Had Trump been on the ballot, he would have had to get only half of the NOTC votes to win. That doesn’t sound implausible. He got at least half of the overall in almost all of the places he was on the ballot

Further, some of the voters that chose a candidate might have voted for Trump if he was an option. None of the other candidates would have gotten more votes, because why would they?

I don’t think your conjecture has much merit, and you’ve presented nothing to support it. 

[MigL]

No arguments with any of the responses the OP got.

But 

7 hours ago, Phi for All said:

He insults in an elementary, Rickles-esque manner

Come on !?!
Don Rickles was hilarious !

[Peterkin]

8 minutes ago, MigL said:

Don Rickles was hilarious !

Matter of taste, innit?

[Linkey]

11 hours ago, Peterkin said:

Do you understand the difference between elections and primaries? The Trump team didn't file the paperwork on time for the primary voting, but he did compete in the caucus. So he participated  - are you kidding?? He's never stopped campaigning since 2016!  - in the Republican delegate selection process, and the party members knew this, so voted NOTA, because his name wasn't one of the candidates listed. https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/primaries-and-caucuses/results/nevada

I don't fully understand you. What is the caucus? At that forum they responded "this caucus demonstrated that the people of Nevada were for Trump", how can I refute this statement?

Maybe still there were some polls performed in Nevada which found the rating of Trump and Haley?

Edited October 24 by Linkey

[Peterkin]

7 hours ago, Linkey said:

Maybe still there were some polls performed in Nevada which found the rating of Trump and Haley?

Primary polls are irrelevant. Haley is irrelevant (unless her supporters turn to Harris in the actual election). If you look at the article I cited, you'll see that all Republican delegates from Nevada were bound to Trump. He became the official candidate at the national convention. It's done and dusted. Now comes the actual election.

I strongly recommend you read up on the US electoral process. Granted, it's complicated and doesn't always make sense, but you should understand it a little better before you make any more half-baked suggestions.  

[npts2020]

On 10/24/2024 at 2:31 AM, Linkey said:

I don't fully understand you. What is the caucus? At that forum they responded "this caucus demonstrated that the people of Nevada were for Trump", how can I refute this statement?

Maybe still there were some polls performed in Nevada which found the rating of Trump and Haley?

Caucuses are actual party meetings of party members to choose a candidate and articulate a platform rather than just voting at a polling place. Until about 50 years ago, caucuses were how virtually every state picked their preferred candidate and even now some states still use it.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-states-have-caucuses.html 

 US elections are notoriously complicated because every state and territory has its own rules about running them.

[Linkey]

On 10/23/2024 at 8:52 PM, Phi for All said:

Dem, as in Democracy? Yes. There are few people here who want to see it overthrown in favor of a corrupt despot. Rule of law is still important to us, as is integrity, honesty, and compassion. 

There have been performed some studies which reveal that the Dem supporters rate the freedom of speech as very important less than the Rep supporters:

 

https://www.thefire.org/news/poll-free-speech-top-concern-americans-2024-more-important-crime-immigration-and-health-care

The Dem supporters now can even say "we have so many problems because of the Fox News channel, is spreads lies and propaganda, let's close it". And this forum illustrates this trend too:

 

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We’ve had supporters of the right here, but some of them had difficulty posting in good faith or otherwise violated the rules i.e. they repeated lies, didn’t cite sources, asserted opinion as fact. That tends to shorten the time folks stick around.

 

Edited November 10 by Linkey

[Endy0816]

7 hours ago, Linkey said:

There have been performed some studies which reveal that the Dem supporters rate the freedom of speech as very important less than the Rep supporters:

 

https://www.thefire.org/news/poll-free-speech-top-concern-americans-2024-more-important-crime-immigration-and-health-care

The Dem supporters now can even say "we have so many problems because of the Fox News channel, is spreads lies and propaganda, let's close it". And this forum illustrates this trend too:

 

 

 

It's the right to freedom of speech from Government interference and there are limits even then.