Why do people say the GOP is really racist and sexist?

[swansont]

9 hours ago, Phi for All said:

Except it wasn't rhetoric in Palin's case, and most definitely wasn't "much the same type". This type of rhetoric, where you call brilliant people "totally stupid and dumb" without any examples of what you're talking about, is strictly a Republican tactic. Democrats are much more likely to actually do research, whereas Republicans learned from Newt and Rush that you just need to use schoolyard taunts to disparage things you don't like.

There has also been a lot of disparaging remarks about Harris sleeping her way to the top. I’m not aware of similar smears aimed at any GOP women by anyone in the democratic hierarchy. 

[Phi for All]

2 hours ago, swansont said:

There has also been a lot of disparaging remarks about Harris sleeping her way to the top. I’m not aware of similar smears aimed at any GOP women by anyone in the democratic hierarchy. 

The GOP changed rapidly when TFG and QAnon took the party over. Republicans that had both experience in legislation and some honor wrt PoC and women were shoved to the background. The ones that remain are the scum of the Earth, and I have no doubt they are practicing all the horrible atrocities they claim the liberals are up to. I truly hope each and every one of them are held accountable for the damage they've inflicted on humans in the US. The GOP is looking for more slaves and trad wives, and unless wiser heads can prevail, they're all traitors to the democracy the rest of us are trying to maintain. 

[CharonY]

1 hour ago, Phi for All said:

The GOP changed rapidly when TFG and QAnon took the party over. Republicans that had both experience in legislation and some honor wrt PoC and women were shoved to the background. The ones that remain are the scum of the Earth, and I have no doubt they are practicing all the horrible atrocities they claim the liberals are up to. I truly hope each and every one of them are held accountable for the damage they've inflicted on humans in the US. The GOP is looking for more slaves and trad wives, and unless wiser heads can prevail, they're all traitors to the democracy the rest of us are trying to maintain. 

I think it was changing over a longish period of time (certainly with the tea party), but quite a few were holding onto a veneer of respectability. After all, folks like Steve King was in congress since 2003? And he wasn't exactly shy about his white nationalism. I think it felt rapid as Trump was a bit of a "mask off" event, allowing them to remove all filters (become non-PC). It should be noted that while he was ultimately ousted, his cardinal sin was likely losing ground to Democrats.

[Night FM]

Basically, it's easily-consumable rhetoric to level allegations of racism, sexism, and so on toward your opponents, regardless of whether or not it happens to be the GOP. Which is why I, naturally, don't buy into such simplistic rhetoric and prefer to look at actual issues.

[swansont]

8 minutes ago, Night FM said:

Basically, it's easily-consumable rhetoric to level allegations of racism, sexism, and so on toward your opponents, regardless of whether or not it happens to be the GOP.

Which is why we want the receipts, and several people have provided them. Can’t help but notice that all you did was offer up the lamest of examples, which you have not bothered to defend.

 

[TheVat]

17 minutes ago, Night FM said:

Basically, it's easily-consumable rhetoric to level allegations of racism, sexism, and so on toward your opponents, regardless of whether or not it happens to be the GOP. Which is why I, naturally, don't buy into such simplistic rhetoric and prefer to look at actual issues.

Yes, actual issues is where the current GOP most clearly displays its racist and sexist perspective, on everything from women's reproductive rights to mocking the rights of victims of sexual assault to which immigrants pose the greatest menace to America.  It's right out there in plain sight, from the Springfield Ohio comments of Vance, to Trump last August sharing a social media post with footage of dark-skinned people walking in line. The accompanying text said: “If you’re a woman you can either vote for Trump or wait until one of these monsters goes after you or your daughter.”  

If you haven't been following news, the GOP put away their dog whistles and broke out the megaphones.  As with the above, this stuff is public record, not some rhetorical spin from the opposition.  Repubs are outing themselves just fine, no oppo rhetoric needed.

[CharonY]

2 hours ago, TheVat said:

Yes, actual issues is where the current GOP most clearly displays its racist and sexist perspective, on everything from women's reproductive rights to mocking the rights of victims of sexual assault to which immigrants pose the greatest menace to America.  It's right out there in plain sight, from the Springfield Ohio comments of Vance, to Trump last August sharing a social media post with footage of dark-skinned people walking in line. The accompanying text said: “If you’re a woman you can either vote for Trump or wait until one of these monsters goes after you or your daughter.”  

If you haven't been following news, the GOP put away their dog whistles and broke out the megaphones.  As with the above, this stuff is public record, not some rhetorical spin from the opposition.  Repubs are outing themselves just fine, no oppo rhetoric needed.

That is the crazy bit, isn't it? Folks say and support outright racist and sexist things and then folks come in and then somehow interpret it differently. They do not even need to spin it. And still folks still pretend that the words coming out of their mouths were not actually the words being said. Now, given the way things go, I suspect that it is only a matter of time where folks dispense even with this thin veneer of decency and just outright "say it as it is" as they realize that there is no penalty for doing so anymore. We are rapidly running out of masks.

[Night FM]

3 hours ago, TheVat said:

Yes, actual issues is where the current GOP most clearly displays its racist and sexist perspective, on everything from women's reproductive rights to mocking the rights of victims of sexual assault to which immigrants pose the greatest menace to America.  It's right out there in plain sight, from the Springfield Ohio comments of Vance, to Trump last August sharing a social media post with footage of dark-skinned people walking in line. The accompanying text said: “If you’re a woman you can either vote for Trump or wait until one of these monsters goes after you or your daughter.”  

If you haven't been following news, the GOP put away their dog whistles and broke out the megaphones.  As with the above, this stuff is public record, not some rhetorical spin from the opposition.  Repubs are outing themselves just fine, no oppo rhetoric needed.

Everyone's welcome to their opinion. I'm not convinced that rhetoric against immigration is necessarily racist. This sounds like a "guilt by association" and an attempt to link the GOP to racist regimes (e.x. Nazi Germany) who may have used similar rhetoric, or the fact that racist groups (e.x. Neo-Nazis) may support Trump due to being enamored with such rhetoric. Regardless, the GOP has minorities and women in positions of power, and I'm not necessarily convinced by the fearmongering that Trump's presidency will pave the way for fascism.

[CharonY]

Shithole countries, poisoning our blood, they are rapists and murders, eatingour pets. Yes sure guilty by association. With his own mouth that is.

 

[Night FM]

1 hour ago, CharonY said:

Shithole countries, poisoning our blood, they are rapists and murders, eatingour pets. Yes sure guilty by association. With his own mouth that is.

 

This is still linking opposition to immigration to racism. Simply because racists will oppose immigration from "brown" countries simply because they're "brown" doesn't negate arguments about immigration, especially from countries which are ranked low on human rights indexes. The US already arguably has liberal immigration policies compared to many European countries, such as guaranteed citizenship upon birth.

[iNow]

Opposition to immigration ≠ saying blood is being poisoned, dark skinned people are eating dogs, come from shitholes, or only arrive to rape and murder.

Your inability / unwillingness to engage others here in good faith is absurdly consistent. 

Edited November 7 by iNow

[CharonY]

7 hours ago, iNow said:

Opposition to immigration ≠ saying blood is being poisoned, dark skinned people are eating dogs, come from shitholes, or only arrive to rape and murder.

Your inability / unwillingness to engage others here in good faith is absurdly consistent. 

This is just boring old dogwhistling, isn't it? Oh no, it is not xenophobia, it is just economic/immigration concerns. It just so happens that folks evoke fears of replacement murder, rape and stealing the women. One has to be oh so careful not to upset the folks that call others derogatory terms on a routine basis.

Also I forgot to add that Trump himself is also a convicted rapists, suggesting a fair amount of projection.

But maybe that is what Harris should have done. Demonize some group (but turn around and play nice with them when they are around). Air grievances about how people feel about the current situation and instead of solutions should blame the other party. While there might not even be a need to lie, the point is to induce fear and hatred. After all, it seems to be a winning strategy even if the rest is pretty much brain dead.