sex drive: male vs. female

[Lionheart]

I was recently told by a self-claimed "medical doctor" that all scientific research supports the stereotype that men's sex drive is higher than women's. This stereotype clashes rather strongly with my everyday observations. I'm very curious as to whether science is really 100% behind it.

 

Does science uniformly regard women as less sexual than men? Are there any peer-reviewed scientific studies which conclude that women have, or might have, a libido (at least) as strong as men's? Are there any scientists who have gone on record with this position? I would appreciate any references to such studies and/or scientists. Thanks in advance for any leads...

[Celeste22]

I think you'll find that most science stats and reports show that men tend to have the higher libido. Personally, I'd have to agree with you on your observations to a certain degree. Even I tend to have the higher libido in my relationship, even though he is younger (15 years) then me.

 

I believe that part of the problem with alot of the studies (like Johnson & Johnsons) is in the "social stigma's" we've seen in the past.

Nowadays, women are/feel more liberated and find it more "appropriate" to express their sexual desires/drives.

I still believe the old double-standard stands in alot of instances though, but that's another topic.

 

From what I remember while in med school, the biggest difference in libido might lie in the womens hormonal balances remaining constant.

We women tend to have extreme highs and lows in our estrogen, progesterone, FSH (follicle-stimulating hormone), LH (luteinizing hormone) because of menstruation, where as mens Testosterone, Estradiol, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen), etc. tend to remain fairly constant across the board until midlife. Albeit, men actually have a cycle similiar to the womens monthly cycle (though not as extreme) and they also go through "andropause", the equivalent of menopause in women.

 

I'll try to look through some of my online literature and post some research and reports later tonight. Maybe that will help explain things abit better then I'm able at this time.

[Mokele]

I think you'll find that most science stats and reports show that men tend to have the higher libido.

 

Actually, you've hit the nail on the head right there: "tend to". Basically, most studies show that the average level of sex drive for males is higher than for femals. However, there is a range around those averages, and those ranges overlap. Thus, while some women have higher sex drives than some men, if you randomly select individuals from the population, you will find moe pairings in which the male has the higher sex drive than equal or vice-versa.

 

It also fits in very well with simple predictions of evolution: Males get a large genetic payoff for a minimal investment (1 ejaculation), while femals get the same genetic payoff for a huge energy and time investment. Thus, it makes evolutionary sense for a female to be picky, while males will mate with anything that moves at a moment's notice.

 

Mokele

[starbug1]

Out of the people I've seen and observed I would say that a libido in both sexes is strong. Men tend to 'show off' this sexual aggressiveness, while women tend to keep a more tongue in cheek libido. Women may be more conservative, and, like Mokele said, more picky. I've heard most women talk of relationships, while most men talk of sex in general. But there are women who would appear this way as well--overly aggressive. On the whole, it's nature for men to be more aggresive, women will be, but only selectively. And that is why a sex-drive is more evident in men.

 

It also fits in very well with simple predictions of evolution: Males get a large genetic payoff for a minimal investment (1 ejaculation), while femals get the same genetic payoff for a huge energy and time investment. Thus, it makes evolutionary sense for a female to be picky, while males will mate with anything that moves at a moment's notice.

 

This genetic payoff works into the equation as well.

[j_p]

I do not know of any such studies, and I wonder how they could be conducted.

 

How can one's libido be measured reliably? [No adolescent cracks, please.]

[YT2095]

I seem to remember that Age plays a part in it also, Male Libido peaks at something like early 20s and females peak much later on, not sure of the exact figures, but that`s more or less it.

[ronblue]

Females have the highest sex drive because they associate many more things with sex than men. But it is important for women not to be sexual because children are expensive.

 

This negative increases the sex drive for women. Testosterone levels in women are critical to push them into sexual behavior.

 

Sexual behavior can be sublimated into all directions. Growing a flower garden is sexual.

[Lionheart]

I'll try to look through some of my online literature and post some research and reports later tonight. Maybe that will help explain things abit better then I'm able at this time.

I'd really appreciate that. Thanks for all the info... especially to you but to everyone else in this thread. I'm looking for scientists and studies which dissent from the stereotypical view that women are less sexual than men. As I've remarked before, that view clashes with what I see every day. I see women who get really sexually frustrated, women who masturbate to porn multiple times a day, women who love their sex toys way more than "roses and wine," you get the idea.

[Celeste22]

I'd really appreciate that. Thanks for all the info... especially to you but to everyone else in this thread.

 

My apologies for not posting back sooner, I've been so busy.

 

I went through numberous studies and research articles and it appears that the general consensus with most of the data indicates that "men do tend to have the higher libido" mainly due to testosterone and genetics as Mokele pointed out. Here are some of the articles. Sorry in advance for the length of this post.

 

Do not make the mistake trivializing this topic - human beings are sexual creatures by nature. In fact, after our sense of humor, we are driven by our sense of sexuality more than any other human trait. Cliff Kuhn, M.D.

 

"40% of women have little or no sex drive."

- Dr. Phil (I get a kick out of Dr. Phil's over dramatization on everything. I have no idea how he reached this conclusion, or what studies he based this bold statement on)

 

"The sexual passion in man is ten times stronger than in woman."

- Sarah M. Grimkè

 

"...female sexuality is distinguished more by its flexibility than anything else. . .a woman will express her sexuality only when it suits her purposes."

- Meredith F. Small

 

Sexual function is complex and not simply a function of hormone levels. Sexual desire involves an intricate interplay of biological changes such as hormones (mainly testosterone and progesterone) brain activity, and psychosocial influences including relationship factors, body image, aging, menopause, social and cultural expectations.

Just as there are individual influences on our sexual libido there may also be some differences between men and women when it comes to desire.

In general, women prefer being romanced, talking, intimacy and lots of time spent with their partner before sex happens. Men tend to respond to spontaneity, visual stimulation like pornography, and just having a willing partner, primarily an innate instinct. (Sorry guys, I'm not trying to generalize here, just going off what statistics are saying. I don't personally hold the view that all men are the same) Men do not seem to be as affected by a bad day or fatigue when it comes to sex either.

 

On visual stimulation/sex drive: men had greater activity in the amygdala and hypothalamus than did women, writes Hamann. Women showed no significant activation in these regions.

Stephan Hamann, PhD, Nature Neuroscience.

 

The cover story for the May 29, 2000 issue of Newsweek Magazine was "The Science of Women's Sexuality." The lead article devoted most of its space to the fact that no one had yet come up with a solution to the problem of female sexual desire. Testosterone, the only known aphrodisiac, is plentiful in men and scarce in women, which helps explain the difference between male and female sexual desire.

 

After eight years of tests involving 3000 women, Pfizer, the company behind Viagra, the little blue pill that has transformed some men's sex lives, has abandoned efforts to prove that the drug works for females, too.

Its exhaustive research has concluded that men and women have a fundamentally different relationship between arousal and desire. A women's arousal is triggered by a network of emotional, intellectual and relationship-based factors rather than the simple physical response required by a man.

Dr Mitra Boolel, the leader of the company's sex research team, says: "The brain is the crucial sexual organ in a woman." While a man's arousal almost always led to a desire for sex, there was no such obvious corresponding factor with women, he says.

"There's a disconnect in many women between genital changes and mental changes. This disconnect does not exist in men. Men consistently get erections in the presence of naked women and want to have sex. With women, things depend on myriad factors."

 

Sex drive - it's not a subject that most women feel comfortable discussing amongst themselves or sometimes even with their partners. However, low sexual libido, a previously understudied condition, is starting to gain more attention from women and medical researchers alike.

This diminished sexual desire often occurs in both men and women with advancing age and can result from a number of biologic and psychological circumstances. For women, who are twice as likely as men to experience low libido.

http://www.naturalpathhealthcenter.com/tek9~pg~21610libido_learnmore.asp

 

Libido, although mediated by sex hormones, really is a function of the brain. Specific areas of the brain have been identified in animals as essential for sexual receptivity. When one of these areas are experimentally destroyed, sexual behavior is lost regardless of hormone levels. In female hamsters, with their ovaries removed, estrogen supplementation alone is insufficient to restore sexual receptivity. Progesterone is also required. The inference is that estrogen "primes" the brains cells and progesterone "turns on" the sex drive. http://www.sheld.com/lifeflo/1libido.html

 

It's generally accepted amongst sex therapists that the female libido is more complicated than the male libido. While sex is a physical desire in both males and females, a woman's sex drive is as much psychological as it is physical. q=differences+in+male+and+female+libido&first=11&FORM=PERE

 

Female sexual dysfunction — low libido, slow arousal, difficulty reaching orgasm, and painful intercourse — occurs in about 43% of women. While that exceeds the number of men who report sexual dysfunction — 31%

J Womens Health Gend Based Med. 2001;10(4):389-4

 

Female Libido higher during most fertile days

Biological factors appear to increase the likelihood that a woman will have a higher female libido and engage in sexual intercourse during her most fertile days rather than at other times, according to the results of a new study.

J Womens Health Gend Based Med. 2002 Mar;11(2):155-62.

 

Progesterone is produced by the female body at ovulation.

And womens sex health issues are specifically related to the menstrual cycle. Driven by progesterone and estrogen production, normal womens sexual health involves a feeling in the woman that she wants to have sexual relations at a time when it's most likely to result in pregnancy.

So - if you have lower levels of progesterone in your body, it stands to reason that you will have less feelings of well-being nor desire. Womens sexual health declines. Also, testosterone is one of the hormones responsible for womens sexual health. The ovaries and the adrenal glands are responsible for maintaining adequate levels of testosterone in women.

The levels of testosterone decline as we get older, but this hormone declines the most at menopause. Normally women make only about one tenth the amount of testosterone that men do.

 

We know that men and women can have differing sex drives. Men and women, for instance, both have a hormone called testosterone, but this is present in much higher amounts in men. Women have high amounts of hormones called estrogen and progesterone. Testosterone is known to cause facial and body hair and larger muscles, but it can also cause certain emotions, like aggression and increased sex drive. Young men, for example, have strong sex drives, most likely due to the increase in testosterone that occurs at puberty.

http://www.obgyn.net/women/articles/libido_dah.htm

 

This list is far from complete, but I hope it gives you some general information. If you want articles suggesting/showing the genetic point of view, I can add those another time.

[Lionheart]

I appreciate the links, excerpts and references, and don't worry about taking your time. I agree that there are stereotypes holding that women are less sexual, more romantic, and less visually stimulated. However, as I noted before, I know many women who utterly contradict these stereotypes. That is, I know many women who are just as sexual as any men I'm aware of, even to the point of masturbating multiple times a day and enjoying no strings attached sex. I also know many women who get off on porn (including hardcore, raunchy, visual porn), and who prefer simple sex over romance. Indeed, quite a few have expressed views that conventional romance is trite and overrated. I have also read statements by therapists that "fetishes are a male problem," yet I personally know women with fetishes - including some that would probably be a TOS violation to mention here.

 

Now, one may argue that these women are "exceptions that prove the rule." Yet there is a problem with that objection. Those who argue men are more sexual usually cite higher testosterone as the reason. Yet even women who match or exceed the typical male sex drive typically have far lower testosterone. Does this not suggest that women may react to testosterone differently than men do? This is the view of Discovery Health: "there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that because women have less testosterone than men do, they have lower sexual interest than their male counterparts. Instead, it seems that women detect and react to much smaller amounts of testosterone in their circulation than men do."

 

I agree that many, perhaps most scientists promote the stereotype that women are less sexual than men. Scientists are human, and it would be a stretch to argue that any human is 100% rational or objective. Scientists are often strongly influenced by the cultural assumptions of their society and era. Thus in Victorian times many scientists were arguing that women have no sex drive at all, and that masturbation led to blindness. Before World War II, many American scientists argued that immigrants from Eastern Europe would inevitably lower the nation's collective IQ. Even today, you'll find plenty of scientists who argue that blacks are innately less intelligent and more sexual than whites. I suspect the arguments that women are less sexual than men are in a similar vein. However, I'll keep an open mind; maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all my experiences are just exceptions to the rule. But the sneaking suspicions remain. And it should be easy to see why I'm interested in scientists who dissent from the stereotype that women are less sexual. Even if they are a minority, having a minority position does not necessarily make one wrong. It was once a minority position that blacks were just as intellectually capable as whites. And it may be a minority position again someday. Clearly, that does not make it incorrect.

 

So I have been looking for scientists, studies, references, and so on that dissent from and defy these stereotypes. Here is a collection that I've thusfar assembled:

 

"If female sexuality is muted compared to that of men, then why must men the world over go to extreme lengths to control and contain it?" - primatologist Barbara Smuts, quoted by Natalie Angier in Men, Women, Sex and Darwin

 

"In fact, most accounts about women's attitudes on sex should be viewed with skepticism, writes researcher Terri Fisher, PhD, a psychology professor at Ohio State University in Mansfield, Ohio. When the answers were tabulated, it was clear -- social pressures won out. When women thought others might see their answers, they gave answers that were more socially acceptable. Women hooked up to the lie detector gave the most honest answers, reports Fisher. ... "Women appear to feel pressure to adhere to sex role expectations" -- to be more relationship-oriented and not promiscuous, says Fisher. However, only the women's attitudes were different from men's -- not their actual sexual behavior or libido. The pattern was clearest for behaviors considered less acceptable for women than men -- like masturbation and enjoying erotica, she adds." Women's Libido Just as Strong as Men's

 

Dr. Helen Fisher, Research Professor for the Dept. of Anthropology at Rutgers, remarks that "as more women get an education and enter the job market in cultures around the world men and women will finally come to realise that the female sex drive is just as high as that of males." (from 'Story of Love', interview with AA Mahmood)

 

In "Recognizing Sexual Myths," Gary L. Hansen, PhD writes, "Myth: Males have stronger sex drives and are more interested in sex than females. Fact: The female's sex drive is just as strong as the male's."

 

ABC News has taken note of the phenomenon of women wearing out their husbands and boyfriends in bed: Women Struggle to Cope With Spouses' Low Sex Drives

 

"Half the adult videos in the U.S. are bought or rented by women alone or women in couples." -Feminists for Free Expression

 

"For instance, in Korea, which has the highest number of visitors to adult sites at 5.44 million, 39.1 percent of visitors are female. And, even in traditionally conservative Singapore, 26.8 percent of the city-state's 243,430 visitors to adult sites were women." CNN: Cyberporn in Asia

 

A study cited by Wikipedia's page on rape fantasy estimates "that 24% of men and 36% of women have had a rape fantasy." This would seem to contradict the belief that women need "romance" to get off. Obviously, so would all the women who watch hardcore porn, use sex toys, have one night stands, etc.

 

"Some think men are by nature more sexual or 'hornier' than women. Probably not true (remember, not long ago, the church thought women were over-sexed). Indeed, Masters, Johnson & Kolodny (1985) found the sex response--orgasm--is very similar in men and women. Women can climax as fast as men; they can have more orgasms. College males and females are about equally (75%) active sexually..." Clayton Tucker-Ladd, PhD in Psychological Self-Help, Ch. 10

 

Patricia Pearson reports that "We have a study, from 1996, in which 42% of a sample of New Jersey female college students reported being sexually aggressive with men." She also quotes Maria Mollett, a counselor who treats female sex offenders. "Mollett gave me some examples of how the women she's treating actually think about sex with, for instance, young boys. 'I saw his c--- ," one woman said in response to a displayed photo, "and I wanted to f--- him.'" Pearson also reports on some sexual fantasies found in a diary: "The fantasies of the criminal were vile: to stalk and kidnap a teenage girl, to rape and torture her, to dispose of her like garbage. From "Unmasking the Female Predator." Doesn't sound very romantic or empathetic, now does it?

 

By all means, keep the links and references coming. I agree that this topic has many serious dimensions with remarkable repercussions.

[LucidDreamer]

The problem here is separating the cultural influences from the physical influences, a classic nurture vs. nature problem. The other problem is making sense of the vast amount of research done on this subject, where the results of one study often contradicts another. The solution to this problem is the same solution that is always used to solve this problem. A relatively unbiased expert or panel of experts will examine all of the research as a whole to make sense of it. Cultural influences can be factored out by examining research from several different kinds of cultures and many studies are examined to determine the source of contradictions. From these studies, the truth often becomes very clear. If you really wanted to know the truth you would look for these multiple-research studies instead of relying on the results from a single researcher. Researchers’ opinions will almost always support their findings and some researchers set out to prove their opinions with their research. In addition, some people pretend to be experts without bias examining the evidence, but they are really fanatical advocates trying to push an agenda.

[LucidDreamer]

One last thought: Sexual libido is intertwined with culture norms. A culture dictates to an individual how he or she should feel about sex. Culture is as much a part of a persons libido as hormones. Maybe its pointless to ask which sex has a greater libido without the effects of culture when culture is an essential part of libido.

[us.2u]

I think it probably is true that men have higher sex drives, but also I believe compatibility plays an extensive part, also occupation & timing. Are we discussing sex for sex's sake or meaningful sex i.e. a relationship where partners express each others love naturally? I think sex drive can't be measured as so much depends on various situations...us.2u

[Lionheart]

In Testosterone and Female Sexuality: A Skeptical View, Geoffrey P. Redmond, MD argues that testosterone affects women very differently than it does men.

 

"A prominent hypothesis is that testosterone is necessary for women's sex drive, as it clearly is for men's. This hypothesis is problematic for several reasons. Studies reporting lower levels of testosterone in women with lower sexual interest have not been randomized. Many women with low testosterone levels have full sexual interest and satisfaction. Although several studies have reported improved sexual interest with testosterone administration, testosterone levels have been supraphysiologic. Even so, many women do not respond. Evidence is lacking for a proposed "androgen deficiency syndrome," in which symptoms characteristic of depression are attributed to lack of testosterone. An additional concern is safety: testosterone excess in women has well-established adverse effects, including acne, hirsutism, alopecia, and, possibly, impaired carbohydrate metabolism. The role of testosterone in female sexuality needs further investigation before its widespread use can be recommended.''

[Mayflower]

However, as I noted before, I know many women who utterly contradict these stereotypes.

 

Aye. I don't know of any studies on this subject, but I tend to think that the willingness to discuss is a big reason why there are statements saying men have a much higher. The women I know tend to have just as high, if not higher drive than the men I know. It's just that they're not as open about it.

[jet342001]

i'm, not expert on all this. but, i think that religion plays a big part in how female's react to sexual things. in most cases it would seem things of a sexual nature would be easier for males to hide... males don't get pregnant. pregnancy is a big thing to females.

not to mention most men are proud of their sexuality. were a woman in the same situation often times would be given the title slut,whore or skank.

 

i don't know if anyone else knows or feels the same keep posting

[Sayonara]

I was recently told by a self-claimed "medical doctor" that all scientific research supports the stereotype that men's sex drive is higher than women's. This stereotype clashes rather strongly with my everyday observations.

Bear in mind that "everyday observations" can mislead you. For example, you may have learned to accurately identify a particular group of signals linked to sex drive in women, but at the same time you could be missing similar signals in men.

[dichotomy]

"...female sexuality is distinguished more by its flexibility than anything else. . .a woman will express her sexuality only when it suits her purposes."

- Meredith F. Small

 

It's funny, 'cause it's true. Well, in my experience anyway. Although you could argue the exact same thing for men, purpose being, to get off!

[DrP]

I was recently told by a self-claimed "medical doctor" that all scientific research supports the stereotype that men's sex drive is higher than women's....

 

Bear in mind that "everyday observations" can mislead you. For example, you may have learned to accurately identify a particular group of signals linked to sex drive in women, but at the same time you could be missing similar signals in men.

 

Also - how is this research carried out? Do they all fill in a questionaire on what their sex drives are like? The male ego can be greater than a womens, (generalization) so how many men will put down on a questionaire that they have a low sex drive? Men tend to boast/exagerate their sexual prowess, where women are a bit more descreit at times. This might effect the results alittle.

[TrickyPeach]

Could it be that women being sexually suppressed in the past have kept quieter when asked about their libidos and thus have created a false image to medicine?

On the other side doctors in the past were mostly men and thus failed to care or were embarrassed asking women for their libido levels?

It could also be that women are more stealth when turned on as opposed to men

 

I'm confused as well, because I have a really high libido as well, as high as my boyfriend normally, but higher sometimes.

[iNow]

As far as I remember when I studied this in college (both in class and extracurricularly ) there were no significant differences by gender regarding sex drive. It was more that they were expressed differently and faced different social perceptions.

 

Example: Stud versus Slut, yet same behavior.

[MonsieurChauvin]

THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WOMEN ARE SEXLESS, FRIGID BEINGS WITH A DEADLY HATRED OF HUMAN SEXUALITY

 

Given the centrality of orgasm in male reproductive functioning, it is impossible to speak of any man as suffering from sexual frigidity. Because frigidity is a problem which is exclusively physical, rather than psychic, in origin, it is necessarily applicable only to women. This is due to the fact that on an anatomical level, women are not physiologically capable of achieving orgasm through intercourse because of the great distance of the clitoris from the vaginal introitus.

 

Furthermore, the clitoris is really a primitive organ that serves no biological function whatsoever; in anatomical structure, it resembles a miniature penis that failed to become fully differentiated sexually during the course of embryological development due to the general absence of those genes responsible for foetal androgen synthesis. The clitoris is a vestigial appendage; it is really nothing more but the evolutionary by-product of male sexual differentiation and the male capacity to produce an orgasmic response, a feature that has evolved over hundreds of thousands of years of human physiological adaptation to the external environment of our hominid ancestors.

 

As a matter of fact, only the human male alone, out of all species within the animal kingdom, possesses a sophisticated apparatus of sexual physiological arousal that is unparalleled in the history of biological evolution. Detailed, meticulous observations derived from extensive anatomical investigations conducted by various scientific researchers throughout the twentieth century have revealed that the penis, foreskin included, contains anywhere between 80, 000 to well over 100, 000 nerve endings, whereas the clitoris contains anywhere between 0 - 8000 nerve endings.

 

To elaborate further, the overwhelming majority of women possess virtually no nerve endings whatsoever within the clitoris and are therefore organically frigid. How else does one explain the fact that over 86% of women are physiologically incapable of achieving orgasm through intercourse or that more than 66% of women are virtually incapable of achieving orgasm through masturbation? The widespread inability to achieve orgasm amongst woman is a reflection of the fact that both sexual frigidity and anorgasmia are exclusively female problems. It should be obvious to even the most limited intellect that the clitoris is a vestigial organ that is completely devoid of any discernible biological function; it is an organ that should be removed surgically by means of clitoridectomy in order to protect both the physical and psychological health of the woman.

 

Even on an historical and clinical level, sexual frigidity, or more technically anorgasmia, has always been associated with female sexual dysfunction where orgasm and sexual pleasure are relatively unimportant in the achievement of maximal female reproductive functioning. On the other hand, there is a considerably lower prevalence of male sexual problems compared to a female sexuality that is frequently plagued by both dysfunctionality and psychopathology; in addition, the root cause of male sexual dysfunction is largely due to psychological factors.

 

Thus, although no man can be clinically spoken of as being anorgasmic, it must be noted that the overwhelming majority of women are essentially frigid beings who are almost completely devoid of sexual passion, or experience virtually no sexual desire whatsoever. According to the most recent statistical computations based on raw data derived from an in-depth analysis of the social organization of human sexuality, 71% of women are incapable of achieving orgasm through intercourse, compared to less than 3% of men who have similar difficulties. Although there is a consensus amongst many scholars that approximately 46% of all women, regardless of chronological age, happen to be completely incapable of experiencing sexual desire or achieving any degree of sexual physiological arousal whatsoever, some scholars have actually estimated the prevalence of female hypoactive sexual desire disorder (lack of sex drive) to be as high as 52.4% amongst naturally menopausal women. Another 66% of women are unconquerably frigid or completely anorgasmic, being physiologically incapable of achieving orgasm through masturbation, compared to less than 1% of men.

 

Even under the most repressive conditions, such as abuse or war, men are still significantly more sexual than women, who often lack sex drives and are generally physiologically incapable of producing any kind of orgasmic response. Male sexual desire is much more difficult to suppress and men have a greater interest in both novelty and variety. From an historical point of view, male sexuality has always been much more vigorously suppressed by the state and the dominant culture than that of the relatively frigid, asexual female. How else does one explain the fact that over 90% of all arrests for sex crimes, such as rape, incest, pedophilia, voyeurism, and exhibitionism involve men? We, in the modern West, live in one of the most sexually liberated cultures known to man, yet women happen to be just as frigid and asexual as they were a thousand years ago; as a matter of fact, there has never been a culture in the history of mankind where women were just as sexual or more sexual than men. If there was ever such a thing as the cultural suppression of female sexuality, then women would be overrepresented in arrest statistics for sex crimes. However, because most women are sexually frigid and fiercely monogamous, such is not the case.

 

Sexual desire is operationally defined as the intrinsic, biologically driven motivation to seek out sexual intercourse for its own sake; across all scientific measures and studies of human sexuality, it has been found that women masturbate less, are less promiscuous, fantasize less, rarely respond sexually to visual erotic stimuli, despise their own genitals, have little interest in pornography and almost never have any need to pay a prostitute for sexual release. As further confirmation of the widespread existence of female passionlessness, the famous longitudinal study produced by researchers Julien, Bonchard, Gagnon, and Pomerleau (1992) of suburban Montreal couples demonstrated beyond all shadow of a doubt that almost all problems caused within marital relationships are either the fault of the low female sex drive or the high male sex drive, with the vast majority of both wives and husbands acknowledging the greater sexuality of the human male. Thus, it can be seen from the aforementioned data that women have a much more dysfunctional sexuality than men and although men have been much more violently persecuted for their sexuality down throughout the ages, they remain considerably more sexual than the relatively sexless and frigid human female.

 

In sum, the notion that women enjoy sex is a feminist political fiction. The vast majority of women hate sex; only a very sad minority of female unfortunates derive any pleasure from sexual intercourse and these women are often desperately in need of psychiatric counselling.

WOMEN HATE SEX

[insane_alien]

M.Chauvin, you have obviously never been laid. appart from being an obvious troll.

 

i hope for the sake of every woman you meet that they never have anything like initmate contact with you.

[MonsieurChauvin]

It is often said by feminists that men commodify women as sex objects; however, what is forgotten is that women commodify men both economically and physically as walking ATM machines, status symbols, and big muscles. When it comes to men, building female attraction is based on two things and two things only:

 

1. Money or the ability to acquire material resources.

 

2. High levels of testosterone-fuelled aggression or physical strength.

 

Women supply sex as a means of facilitating socio-economic exchange, which in its broadest possible conceptualization, operates as a reliable means of barter. It involves the trade of both material and non-material goods and services where men are both the consumers and buyers of sex. Sexual relations between both sexes functions as a means of financial exchange in which the roles participated in by both genders within a heterosexual marketplace are highly asymmetrical; sex is a female service or social resource that the woman as supplier will use as a means of barter for the highest marketable price, in the form of capital or natural resources, that she can command on both her sexuality and reproductive biology under the prevailing circumstances in which the act of economic exchange takes place.

 

In stark contrast, male sexuality is relatively worthless and cannot be exchanged for material goods; no man can command any price on either his body or his ability to simultaneously impregnate multiple females within the space of a few hours; even a man who is relatively virginal or of chaste reputation cannot command anything economically for his sexuality and could face derision as a result for even attempting to do such. In western industrial capitalist societies, the underlying parameters which determine how the heterosexual marketplace mediates the economic matrix through which sexual transactions are mediated is determined by the autonomous sex drive of men and the relative sexual frigidity of most women. It is also substantially moulded by the fact that men have both historically and contemporaneously been in a position to accumulate the most amount of resources. Ultimately, this psycho-physiological fact alone enables women to have a certain degree of individual choice; it allows them to optimally maximize their ability to select the most desirable mate. It would also be pre-determined by the reality that norms and prescriptions concerning sex as a resource for economic exchange would presumably enlighten women as to the maximum amount of resources she can command for both her vagina and womb from the competing males around her.

 

Sex functions as a social resource for women because of her greater investment in parenthood, including a nine month period of foetal gestation and possible death in childbirth. Sex also has potentially negative consequences for women, as opposed to men, and therefore women are driven to apply a kind of cost-benefit analysis that evaluates the economic rationality of any market-driven process of partner selection; this immediately transforms sex into a benefit that men have to pay for in one form or the other. Another reason for why sex is a female resource is because of the differential strength in sex drive between both genders. For this, there is a considerable amount of empirical information supporting the relative frigidity of the human female; these can be readily enumerated as being the fact that the overwhelming majority of prostitutes are women and that male prostitutes, with very rare or unusual exceptions, service a male clientele only.

 

Given the greater male physical strength and higher levels of aggression, it is almost physiologically inevitable that men are almost always expected to be the ones to contribute resources and expend a large amount of time and energy in the process of charming a woman, whereas the female role in ritualized human courtship is really the logical extension of the prostitute’s role in attracting male clients. In addition, infidelity on the part of the woman is punished much more harshly than on the part of the man; this is very much conducive with the idea that sex is a resource supplied by females and that female sexuality is considerably of greater value than male sexuality.

 

According to the principle of social exchange theory, the person who has the least interest in a relationship is the one who exerts the most amount of influence. Thus, because men desire sex more than women. Men are intrinsically biologically motivated to seek out sexual gratification as an end in itself, whereas few women are internally driven seek out sex as an end in itself. It is this aspect of neuro-endocrinological sexual differentiation between both genders that places women in the advantageous position of being able to exert a considerable amount of leverage within the hetero-social interaction itself, blindly coercing the male into a position of powerlessness, provided he stays within the norms of socio-sexual behaviour prescribed by the overarching cultural framework we, as autonomous social subjectivities, are expected to operate within.

 

Another possible reason for sex being exchanged by women for both material goods and monetary media of exchange is because men are often physically stronger and more intelligent than women are and because of this have greater earning power than women do; in order to increase her access to those material resources monopolized by men, women are driven to use sex as a bargaining chip in the sexual negotiation of rights over her own body. However, it is possible to argue that the accumulation of capital amongst men and the economic differential between both genders is largely driven by female-female competition for the most desirable or dominant male.

 

The marriage gradient, extensively documented by J. Bernard (1982), in which husbands have more economic and social clout than wives and both high-status women and low-ranking men are routinely left out, is almost exclusively driven by the fact that women regard the sex act itself as a mode of exchange by which the woman accumulates status and resources for herself. This is because female sexuality and male sexuality cannot be exchanged economically the one for the other in an act of equitable distribution; the man must always offer something more by way of money, material goods, status, or commitment to compensate for whatever deficit his sexuality might bring to the relationship. As a general rule, the man must always be in a much better position economically, politically, and socially than the woman. The fact that the primary physiological urge amongst females is the maternal instinct and that women are more susceptible to disease than men often makes it necessary for the woman to maximize her ability to acquire as many resources as possible so as to successfully reproduce healthy viable offspring and ensure her livelihood and protection in a world characterized by male patriarchal dominance. The conclusion is inescapable; women are responsible for the status and economic differential between both genders.

 

WOMEN HATE SEX

[mooeypoo]

I was refered to this thread by my fellow SFNers on the chat room, apparently they figured since I am a woman I should have a response to this.

 

So-heh--I am read--heh heh--reading th--heh heh heh-this-oh, my god-and trying to-heheh-to breah-hehehe-while-heh-while-oh, yes, yes!-while while while-hehehehehehehehehehehheh..

 

I think I just laughed myself into an orgasm..

 

Because unlike men, women can actually do that. It's a neat feature in our biological design, actually. Unlike men.

 

And we can do it again, too.

So just to prove your statement wrong, I'm going to read your post all over again so I can repeat my result. hehhehhehheh-- there we go.

 

 

 

Ah. Don't you hate when that happens?

 

hehehehehe.

 

~moo