On the world-wide trend of anti-establishment voting.

[dimreepr]

On 12/17/2024 at 5:17 PM, DeepBlueSouth said:

okay then, what's your point...? [if your inference is that I am a close minded nationalist, I am unsure you read most of what I wrote]

P.S. sorry to interrupt your literary discussion, it was going so well.

My point...? Hmm, isn't it strange that we're so willing/determined to accept that 'utopia' is, no place and impossible, yet we seem so eager to accept that 'dystopia' is everywhere and imminent. 

[DeepBlueSouth]

10 hours ago, dimreepr said:

My point...? Hmm, isn't it strange that we're so willing/determined to accept that 'utopia' is, no place and impossible, yet we seem so eager to accept that 'dystopia' is everywhere and imminent. 

yea. 😕 while I don't disagree with the point, and I appreciate the candor, particularly in light of this particular week of the western calendar; dystopian concepts have become pretty ubiquitous here in late stage capitalism. I used to refer to it as controlled poverty when I was younger. reaganomics by any other name is still worth less than manure itself as a concept.

forty years ago, a person could work as a mop and broom operator, manage a restaurant or store, or sell VCR's and home appliances for a career; not just a salary or "a living", partly supporting a household; but a career. they could have a stay at home partner, send at least one of three kids to college [okay, mostly], and afford two working cars for the home: a brick and mortar house, not a double wide or a condo; something with a mortgage and equity, not a rental agreement and arbitration. if the politicians would agree to let that ever happen again [we work more than we did back then and productivity is also up], I daresay hope wouldn't be in such a short supply amongst ourselves.

as for the anti-establishmentism, ask any of the articles written by people who have the brass not to just blame social media for all of society's ills. most of us are literally giving up on the future because most of us have no viable options beyond what we are railroaded into doing through social and economic determinism. life is just a rigged carnival game, the only option is how often to play along, and when to sit it out.

[dimreepr]

15 hours ago, DeepBlueSouth said:

yea. 😕 while I don't disagree with the point, and I appreciate the candor, particularly in light of this particular week of the western calendar; dystopian concepts have become pretty ubiquitous here in late stage capitalism. I used to refer to it as controlled poverty when I was younger. reaganomics by any other name is still worth less than manure itself as a concept.

forty years ago, a person could work as a mop and broom operator, manage a restaurant or store, or sell VCR's and home appliances for a career; not just a salary or "a living", partly supporting a household; but a career. they could have a stay at home partner, send at least one of three kids to college [okay, mostly], and afford two working cars for the home: a brick and mortar house, not a double wide or a condo; something with a mortgage and equity, not a rental agreement and arbitration. if the politicians would agree to let that ever happen again [we work more than we did back then and productivity is also up], I daresay hope wouldn't be in such a short supply amongst ourselves.

as for the anti-establishmentism, ask any of the articles written by people who have the brass not to just blame social media for all of society's ills. most of us are literally giving up on the future because most of us have no viable options beyond what we are railroaded into doing through social and economic determinism. life is just a rigged carnival game, the only option is how often to play along, and when to sit it out.

It's more nuanced than that, our need's and wants have been conflated and then used as a weapon of mass distraction.

Late stage capitalism... implies a revolution is imminent, I'm content with that and a full belly, for now...

Edited 11 hours ago by dimreepr

[DeepBlueSouth]

8 hours ago, dimreepr said:

It's more nuanced than that, our need's and wants have been conflated and then used as a weapon of mass distraction.

Late stage capitalism... implies a revolution is imminent, I'm content with that and a full belly, for now...

from economists to US intelligence agencies... nobody is denying there's an expiry date on all this. as for me, my needs are a bit more complex than just hunger and thirst and if you think any other needs are me being distracted, I feel sorry for you. if I thought all there was to life was food and drink, I would not still be here.

also I feel the need to add that I find it interesting that I must be narrow minded when I refuse to speak to global issues when I do not travel, nor do I read as much international news as I used to... yet I am not nuanced enough to describe what most of us are feeling because, as you say, YOU personally are well-fed... so the economy must be fine....? are you just trolling me or what?  regardless, this is my last reply to you here about any of this. I don't think you're coming at me from an argument of good faith, and even though I am alone and hungry today, I have better things to do.

P.S. Futurama is unquestionably a comedy, yet it could also be described as dystopian. just gonna leave that one here for the Steely Dan literati crowd.

Edited 3 hours ago by DeepBlueSouth