The candidates’ aliases on a poll

[Trurl]

I am not happy with billionaires controlling everything either.

 

 

 

Who would you elect:

Republican Steve Jobs or

Democrat WOZ?

 

Which one would have the better vision?

Who could make the World a better place?

 

I know this is off topic. And it might not be directly comparable to Trump and Harris. But it may show why the election went the way it did.

It does relate in several ways. Especially if it would be Trump vs. Bernie Sanders. Or maybe even Biden.

Some may say it’s Victor von Doom vs. Reed Richard’s.

[CharonY]

I don't think this question makes much sense, as neither have engaged much in politics and such have provided much what policies they would propose. If anything, this post exemplifies what is wrong in politics, it is superficial, makes a lot of unproven (but also not explicit) assumptions and then presents itself as a binary choice.

If your point is that voters didn't use information other than gut feeling to make their choice, you might not be wrong. But at least to me your overall point remains elusive.

[TheVat]

If Steve Jobs can run for office, then I would support the New Hope for the Dead ticket!  Then again, being dead for 13 years, Jobs might not be as emotionally invested in the needs of the living. (i.e. typical Republican)

Edited November 27 by TheVat

[iNow]

Would this imaginary Steve Jobs be a McCain Republican or a McCult Republican? 

And btw… apparently he was Democrat and voted for Obama.  

Anyway, back to the thread… Do you have any details about what policies Woz would be advocating on the D ticket? Any info on the policies necro-Jobs would be pushing for the Rs?  

[Trurl]

Well Steve Jobs has vision but his method to obtain his vision has many faults. WOZ would be a Vice President who also has vision but accomplished it a kinder way.

But as I heard on the autobiography that WOZ wondered if Apple could have been operated in a different way. Do you have to be a tyrant to win?

WOZ’s leadership has vision but is he tough enough to implement it in a big world?

WOZ on the D ticket would implement a government funded iPad Pro for ever public school grade school student and a Mac book pro for high school.

Jobs would counter doing the same but would own all data collected and produced on the children’s computer.

Both plans would bring down the deficit because the money spent to supply the computers would be paid for by the rewards.

Jobs is a hippie but when it comes to business he believes in his vision. He can be tough.

Jobs would build the brand while WOZ would create a loyal community.

 

Well I’d have to research WOZ more to see his policies. But come to think about it I’ve never seen him involved in politics.

Jobs has a plan or parts of a plan to replace the computers the Dems gave you with something better.

 

Add some of WOZ’s policies for yourself.

[swansont]

31 minutes ago, Trurl said:

Well Steve Jobs has vision but his method to obtain his vision has many faults. WOZ would be a Vice President who also has vision but accomplished it a kinder way.

But as I heard on the autobiography that WOZ wondered if Apple could have been operated in a different way. Do you have to be a tyrant to win?

WOZ’s leadership has vision but is he tough enough to implement it in a big world?

WOZ on the D ticket would implement a government funded iPad Pro for ever public school grade school student and a Mac book pro for high school.

Jobs would counter doing the same but would own all data collected and produced on the children’s computer.

Both plans would bring down the deficit because the money spent to supply the computers would be paid for by the rewards.

Jobs is a hippie but when it comes to business he believes in his vision. He can be tough.

Jobs would build the brand while WOZ would create a loyal community.

 

Well I’d have to research WOZ more to see his policies. But come to think about it I’ve never seen him involved in politics.

Jobs has a plan or parts of a plan to replace the computers the Dems gave you with something better.

 

Add some of WOZ’s policies for yourself.

You do know that Steve Jobs is dead, right? You keep using the present tense in these descriptions

[Trurl]

On 11/30/2024 at 7:34 PM, swansont said:

You do know that Steve Jobs is dead, right? You keep using the present tense in these descriptions

Yes, I am aware. But I did also mention Reed Richard’s as dem and Victor von Doom as rep. Both of whom are still alive.

Doom is dictator of his own country. You could argue this disqualifies him as President.  But because he got more votes elections work based on math and science.

I know you would argue for President Richard’s. He is just as smart and seems to be more professional. If he is corrupted then he is hiding it.

But I would argue that even though he believes in his policies they may not be what the U.S. needs.

This is the same guy that stole a rocket ship to beat the Soviets into space.

He lost the election because people didn’t believe his policies were possible. And some of his policies were in conflict with other countries.

Doom was blunt. Build up the country that voted for him. Strong military less wars.

Reed is equally brilliant but he couldn’t convince the voters that solving the World’s problems is worth not being able to afford a house.

WOZ invents the circuits but Jobs is the vision. Jobs leads like a tyrant but he gets things done. WOZ is friendly and benevolent. Can he lead better than Jobs? 

[Phi for All]

The idea of a businessperson being able to lead a country is laughable. Countries don't operate like businesses. Countries HAVE to arrange priorities differently, while every single business needs to make a profit. Profit is NOT on a country's list of priorities anywhere.

A democracy like the US should be paving the way for the success of all its citizens, not just the richest. The billionaires have sucked dry most people's ability to prosper by valuing their own efforts several hundred times more than the efforts of the average person. None of the businessmen who've been POTUS have done anything spectacular for the country. Bush II took a balanced budget and a surplus (federal deficit erased) and left the country with US$3.293T (Trillion) in deficits, and gave away our ability to negotiate drug prices with Big Pharma. TFG was twice as bad in half the time. 

You may love them, but billionaires and businesspeople are NOT out to help others, and that should be the key asset of any politician. Public servants aren't splashy and entertaining, but they also give a shit about everyday people, unlike the billionaires who exploit them for profit. Public servants aren't taught to Deny, Defend, Depose.

[CharonY]

On 12/7/2024 at 10:15 PM, Trurl said:

Reed Richard’s as dem and Victor von Doom as rep. Both of whom are still alive.

Fictional characters are not alive.

 

26 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

The idea of a businessperson being able to lead a country is laughable.

Unfortunately that is what folks believe, contrary to all evidence but also simple logic (i.e., differences in outcomes, priorities, goals, mechanisms, procedures etc.).

[DeepBlueSouth]

6 hours ago, Phi for All said:

The idea of a businessperson being able to lead a country is laughable. Countries don't operate like businesses. Countries HAVE to arrange priorities differently, while every single business needs to make a profit. Profit is NOT on a country's list of priorities anywhere.

A democracy like the US should be paving the way for the success of all its citizens, not just the richest. The billionaires have sucked dry most people's ability to prosper by valuing their own efforts several hundred times more than the efforts of the average person. None of the businessmen who've been POTUS have done anything spectacular for the country. Bush II took a balanced budget and a surplus (federal deficit erased) and left the country with US$3.293T (Trillion) in deficits, and gave away our ability to negotiate drug prices with Big Pharma. TFG was twice as bad in half the time. 

You may love them, but billionaires and businesspeople are NOT out to help others, and that should be the key asset of any politician. Public servants aren't splashy and entertaining, but they also give a shit about everyday people, unlike the billionaires who exploit them for profit. Public servants aren't taught to Deny, Defend, Depose.

correct. outside of the above sentiment, I don't really have much to say to boosters of either side anymore, because they're BOTH presently living under some delusion that only people who work for an hour or two a day, making phone calls at an empty desk the size of a small coupe in an office the size of an average american home... are equipped to make radical financial decisions for the working class, and whoever's leftover of the middle class since reagan and his "business advisors" began the charge to send the western economies down this rabbit hole to Perdition. the democrats are also cheerfully surrendering to this same school of thought, it is why recruiting voters has literally never gotten easier. I have been trying to engage others in the political process for 25 years.... I have media savvy and experience, but I am no joe rogaine [yet proud of this fact]. I finally gave up this year- finally. the alleged "left" haven't done anything for us in this part of the country in generations either. this is why the educated working class sits the elections out along with the young. we have simply given up the faith that america has ever been or ever will be for us. I voted for Harris and Walz, yet 93% of my county did not. also I was forced to remove my face mask by an elderly poll watcher who accused me of using it to conceal my identity. I just can't afford for these antivaxxers to get me sick yet again.

when pressed, I used to say "democratic socialist"; now I just say "socialist". I don't really care how we get there anymore. unless things change soon, I do not expect to ever comb white hairs. the 70 year old I care for is currently in better health than me at the moment, and they have healthcare. I haven't for 22 years. healthcare is not free, nor affordable. I worked in politics for years. I believe stalin said it best when it comes to the voters and the votes, blatant and reported russian propaganda from the mouths of our senators and congresspeople notwithstanding [the Lolita loving senator from florida didn't just retire suddenly instead of taking AG because of his sexual proclivities and love of Dionysian lifestyles, see also the bloggers and podcasters who were paid millions by kremlin assets running LLC's here in the US]. I mean.... I feel as if our courts tried, convicted, and executed the Rosenberg's for less than this.

I am no authoritarian, but the ruling class needs to be made to worry about the rule of law here in the united states again, or the soon to be moribund economy [see Ben Stein's lecture in Ferris Bueller's Day off for how well those tariffs are gonna work... yet again] and the hopeless rabble of untapped and/or underemployed workers will likely make them remember their history books. [see also the one shooting in NYC this week that these sort of folks actually care about]. america is anyone's for the taking right now. the business cosplayers had their bite at the apple. we need actual leaders, not people who pretend to lead companies as "autodidactic genius visionaries" or whatever kind of insipid self-talk they use to sleep at night between their carousels of remedies. [I have worked as a personal assistant to "corporate officers". I know who does all of their work for them.]

[off the rails, sorry] also to weigh in on the subject of dc/marvel and other traditional comic book media, I find it hilarious that 80-90 years ago the kids loved the free-spirited, progressive superheros who championed equality [Superman fought the klan {welll.... an obvious facsimile of it} on syndicated radio in 1949, after they targeted the families of immigrant scientists, no less] and they loathed the card-stock, gangster-like villains only concerned with money and greed.... now they root for the businessmen who resemble 20th century gangsters just as much as the early DC comic adversaries. also the Joker.... what is up with THAT...? well, likely the same reason I see so many insignias of the wehrmacht carved into mens' room stalls around here.... though I suppose they're more appropriate there than anywhere else we might see them. -le sigh-

Edited Thursday at 01:03 AM by DeepBlueSouth

[MigL]

8 hours ago, CharonY said:

8 hours ago, Phi for All said:

The idea of a businessperson being able to lead a country is laughable.

Unfortunately that is what folks believe, contrary to all evidence but also simple logic (i.e., differences in outcomes, priorities, goals, mechanisms, procedures etc.).

Funny ( sad, actually ) how poor, or middle class, uneducated people vote to elect millionaires and billionaires thinking that they will look out for their best interests.

Give them about 4 years to 'smell the coffee' and wake up.
 

[CharonY]

1 hour ago, MigL said:

Funny ( sad, actually ) how poor, or middle class, uneducated people vote to elect millionaires and billionaires thinking that they will look out for their best interests.

Give them about 4 years to 'smell the coffee' and wake up.
 

Unfortunately, we already had those years. And a couple before that (if perhaps a bit less blatant). I think, at this point folks are swimming in coffee but not noticing anything.

[Trurl]

Well my Dr. Doom Reed Richards was just to show even though Reed Richards means well his policies could actually lead to disaster. Richards might have good ideas but it depends on how his and other countries react to his plans.

Dr. Doom has a bad reputation but his ideas also promise strength. He may make policies that offend other countries but they will respect him.

Which is the correct way? That is subjective to the voter. But elections don’t work scientifically. As you guys have experienced. I once watched a lecture series on where to put a hospital. They voted and the hospital was put in a place far from every city that voted.

How can an event that boundaries are drawn by the legislature and views are influenced by news and ads be fair?

Think of a basketball game. The courts are stadard size. What if the NBA added 50ft to each side of the court? The game would change and current stats would not compare to the old smaller court.

Why would you think your candidate should be picked when voting is largely decided by perception? Harris could have been the better choice, but the system has no way of proving it.

[Phi for All]

2 hours ago, Trurl said:

Dr. Doom has a bad reputation but his ideas also promise strength. He may make policies that offend other countries but they will respect him.

Does it sound like Canada and Mexico respect the decisions being made by the new administration? Around the world, this is being hailed as the stupidest, most moronic thing any country could do to it's closest allies and neighbors. If you have a trade deficit, perhaps it would be better to make something other countries want rather than punch them in the face for having better goods.