New Jersey Drones

[Moontanman]

Is anyone else following the "drone" problem in New Jersey? I don't understand what all the hubbub is about. Nearly every video I've seen are obviously light aircraft, they even sound like light aircraft. Aircraft with landing lights! I have lived near an airport for many years and yes aircraft at night can look odd but I honestly do not see anything to this, it's all or at least mostly hype. It's concerning that many of these aircraft, whatever they are, have been sighted over restricted airspace like Langley air force base and so far I've not seen any videos of those "drones" but all the ones I've seen, in NJ, have aircraft running lights in standard configurations and landing lights. 

It's possible that actual drones are a small percentage, possibly hobbyists pushing boundaries, especially in England bases and US bases but all I've seen so far are the ones over NJ and they almost certainly are misidentified light aircraft. 

It's a head scratcher... 

Has anyone see them in person?   

[Phi for All]

The events might be designed to reduce the popular momentum a certain modern day Robin Hood is getting. We've been assured they aren't foreign or US military or any threat to the populace. Billionaire distraction? 

[swansont]

They weren’t a problem before Trump was elected.

Just sayin’

[Moontanman]

18 minutes ago, swansont said:

They weren’t a problem before Trump was elected.

Just sayin’

To be fair the ones that shut down Langley were there before the election but I agree the chaos is suspicious !!!

 

[TheVat]

I had earlier today seen an AP News report and posted it over at sci forums dot com.  Will post here, too.

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-drones-new-jersey-0f4aba00748ac464d42270fbe7457733

 

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Assemblywoman Dawn Fantasia, who was briefed by the Department of Homeland Security, said the reported drones have been up to 6 feet (1.8 meters) in diameter and sometimes travel with their lights switched off. This is much larger than those typically flown by drone hobbyists and she said they appear to avoid detection by traditional methods such as helicopter and radio.

Officials and experts say some witnesses may actually be seeing planes or helicopters rather than drones, or perhaps are confused about the size of the devices they’re seeing.

I love that the official talking about mysterious sightings is named Fantasia!

If this was 1938 and the sightings were over Grovers Mills, NJ, I would assume it's Martians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(1938_radio_drama)

 

[swansont]

2 hours ago, Moontanman said:

To be fair the ones that shut down Langley were there before the election but I agree the chaos is suspicious !!!

 

Langley’s in Jersey now? When did that happen?

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

I had earlier today seen an AP News report and posted it over at sci forums dot com.  Will post here, too.

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-drones-new-jersey-0f4aba00748ac464d42270fbe7457733

 

“the reported drones have been up to 6 feet (1.8 meters) in diameter and sometimes travel with their lights switched off. This is much larger than those typically flown by drone hobbyists and she said they appear to avoid detection by traditional methods such as helicopter and radio.

Officials and experts say some witnesses may actually be seeing planes or helicopters rather than drones, or perhaps are confused about the size of the devices they’re seeing.”

I want to know how they determined the objects were 6 feet or smaller, especially if they are actually planes or helicopters. Or if they meant to say the drones have been reported to be that size.

[Moontanman]

14 hours ago, swansont said:

Langley’s in Jersey now? When did that happen?

It happened back in November just before the election, my memory is bad of late, if you want I'll try and search the exact dates, it happened around the same time the drones were violating air space on several UK bases as well. At the time I wondered if it was some civilian group like Anonymous doing it.  

Several bases in NJ have been overflown. According to government sources Langley was all but shut down for almost a month. 

14 hours ago, swansont said:

“the reported drones have been up to 6 feet (1.8 meters) in diameter and sometimes travel with their lights switched off. This is much larger than those typically flown by drone hobbyists and she said they appear to avoid detection by traditional methods such as helicopter and radio.

Officials and experts say some witnesses may actually be seeing planes or helicopters rather than drones, or perhaps are confused about the size of the devices they’re seeing.”

I want to know how they determined the objects were 6 feet or smaller, especially if they are actually planes or helicopters. Or if they meant to say the drones have been reported to be that size.

I think most of the reports were simply taking peoples word with no real objective measurements. I've seen further videos and while many of the "objects" were obviously misidentified aircraft more than a few were obviously Drones and have been reported by officials was coming in off the ocean in groups as big as fifty. More than a dozen drones followed a coast guard ship at least once night and caused considerable concerns by the crew. 

This morning News Nation (I know a MAGA news source) reported that drones were being seen all around the world. From Australia, to China, Russia?, Europe, and others. 

It is also being reported that UAPs are being seen in Virginia, Oregon, California, and Texas. I personally think this is most likely "Hype" to some extent but the extent of the phenomena is interesting. 

I remember back before the election certain groups were predicting a false flag alien invasion to allow Trump to further consolidate his power... This is getting out of control!

I think it should be said that most of the "News" sources reporting on this are MAGA sources but ABC, NBC, and CBS are also reporting this!

Edited Friday at 04:21 PM by Moontanman
Cat walked across the key board as I was posting

[swansont]

5 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

I think most of the reports were simply taking peoples word with no real objective measurements. 

Then it’s irresponsible to report a size. It might look small, but a jet flying at 10 km looks small.

[Moontanman]

9 minutes ago, swansont said:

Then it’s irresponsible to report a size. It might look small, but a jet flying at 10 km looks small.

I agree, this news video illustrates what is going on, it could very well just be hysteria but to the people who are in the middle of it it's concerning!

 

[Moontanman]

I apologize, the above video is too long and drawn out, here is a more truncated video that illustrates the frustration of the local people and government officials 

 

 

[TheVat]

2 hours ago, swansont said:

Then it’s irresponsible to report a size. It might look small, but a jet flying at 10 km looks small.

Yup, airborne objects at night are notoriously difficult to size, even by trained observers.  I have to wonder if an initial small number of misjudged sightings of hobby drones and aircraft got publicized and then more people started looking up at night and noticing things.  Hobby drones especially can be seen as larger than actual dimensions.  

 

[swansont]

In that video I saw a couple of objects with flashing lights (one clearly had red in it) just like you’d expect with a plane. Not flying with lights off, as I saw claimed somewhere (how would you see it at night if it has no lights?)

The only weird thing to me was the bluish triangle lights. What was not weird was a bunch of people spouting nonsense, like “Iranian mothership” because some people do like getting on TV, and taking ten minutes to present thirty seconds of information with the rest filler opinion and BS, because that’s the curse of 24/7 cable news programming

We don’t know until we do, but nothing presented has ruled out a couple of drones + regular plane traffic + mass hysteria because it’s in the news. Or Aqua Teen Hunger Force has a new viral marketing campaign.

 

I saw a post on social media recently about someone in East Germany before the wall fell. They painted small rocks purple and left them around town on occasion, and it drove the Stasi/police nuts trying to figure out what the meaning was because it HAD to mean SOMETHING because that’s how their minds were wired. Once you’ve decided on a conclusion, if you aren’t careful, everything you see will point toward it. 

[Moontanman]

1 hour ago, swansont said:

In that video I saw a couple of objects with flashing lights (one clearly had red in it) just like you’d expect with a plane. Not flying with lights off, as I saw claimed somewhere (how would you see it at night if it has no lights?)

The only weird thing to me was the bluish triangle lights. What was not weird was a bunch of people spouting nonsense, like “Iranian mothership” because some people do like getting on TV, and taking ten minutes to present thirty seconds of information with the rest filler opinion and BS, because that’s the curse of 24/7 cable news programming

We don’t know until we do, but nothing presented has ruled out a couple of drones + regular plane traffic + mass hysteria because it’s in the news. Or Aqua Teen Hunger Force has a new viral marketing campaign.

 

I saw a post on social media recently about someone in East Germany before the wall fell. They painted small rocks purple and left them around town on occasion, and it drove the Stasi/police nuts trying to figure out what the meaning was because it HAD to mean SOMETHING because that’s how their minds were wired. Once you’ve decided on a conclusion, if you aren’t careful, everything you see will point toward it. 

From what I've seen I'd have to agree but the only fly in the ointment is that they have been seen all over the world, assuming that is not hype, it's an oddly coincidental thing that US bases in the UK are experiencing this as well. Drones, no matter what the source, have been seen over these bases, and US bases as well has been admitted by government officials. To me this smacks of a classic false flag scenario or a group like Anonymous screwing with the air force. Sadly the only sources of information we have is the very news sources that are contributing to the hype! 

The situation is blowing up, its all over the news, the gov is silent, reporting they don't know what is going on but they are sure its not a problem... weird response IMHO. 

I have to agree i've seen nothing that says its more than drones and misidentified aircraft but that gov needs to say something other than we don't know what is going on but we are sure it's not a danger to anyone. That is nonsensical IMHO. 

I was kinda hoping some of our members are located in the area and can add something to this that isn't coming through on the news. I say its a concentrated effort by some group to cause chaos for nefarious purposes. The news hype around this is just adding to the confusion... the real question is why.  

[swansont]

1 hour ago, Moontanman said:

have to agree i've seen nothing that says its more than drones and misidentified aircraft but that gov needs to say something other than we don't know what is going on but we are sure it's not a danger to anyone. That is nonsensical IMHO. 

If they don’t know, their options are to say so, or lie, which means making something up. If they say it’s drones being flown by Hell’s Angels, then they have to say they’re powerless to stop them, because they can’t go and arrest anyone. And if/when they do find out what’s going on and it’s not Hell’s Angels, they look even more foolish. Sounds like a plan, right?

If they don’t say there’s no danger then they have to say there is. I’m sure that wouldn’t cause a panic. “Be afraid” is so very reassuring.

 

2 hours ago, Moontanman said:

The news hype around this is just adding to the confusion... the real question is why. 

News collection is often slow, while dissemination is now fast. The early portion of any story is often filled with conjecture and filler. Think of active shooter stories, or natural disasters, and how much they get wrong in the initial reports. Investigation takes time.

[TheVat]

The NJ congressman blathering about an Iranian mothership in the Atlantic and the "high sources" he got it from (possibly high in a different sense of the word) was pretty funny.  In the UK, there was similar speculation about state actors, re drones seen around Lakenheath and other AFBs.  While I can see how drones might offer several advantages over spysats (cheaper, closer, meander anywhere), I would think they probably would not have navigation lights on as the Jersey devils seem to.  Visually shouting "yoohoo!  I'm over here!" is not SOP in tradecraft.  (unless it's a decoy)

And then there are all the vigilantes posting on SM about bringing one down with a shotgun.  What could possibly go wrong with that, right?  

[toucana]

Apparently there is an app for this. Flightradar24 is one of several that allow you to point your phone at the sky, and get a read-out of any aircraft known to be flying in the area.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/14/tech/aircraft-drone-identifier-apps/index.html

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These apps work by collecting the data that most aircraft transmit to ground stations and other aircraft, known as “ADS-B” data, as well as satellites and other data sources.

 

[DeepBlueSouth]

I hate to sound like more of a cryptid kook than usual, but this all feels like some sort of distraction, even if it is some kind of domestic pezzonovante corporate officers or light foreign interference [not saying it can't or won't lead to HEAVY foreign interference {even if it is americans doing this}, but that's too much speculation for this early in the day]. from an espionage perspective, stingers do not necessarily need drones to convey them NOR would they have nav lights on, as @TheVat pointed out. if the goal was to shut down airports, Korea has developed anti-drone directed-energy weapons*, we [by which I refer to the various US defense communities and er... their contractors as a collective; hopefully never just random people with guns] would be either shooting these down or better yet, catching them in some sort of net snares, which as an Cajun, I do not know why we have yet to use against drones. we [and they] used trip lines on dirigibles through both world wars, time to make them into nets which can be hoisted and lowered on demand, in full view of the towers, then if necessary electrify them like a big bug zapper... we sometimes hire people to cull large birds at airports, and we use underwater tech like that to keep Asian carp out of the Great Lakes and Saint Lawrence seaway. this all feels too obvious. "if it flies and ya can't shoot at it, use nets or bolas snares, I mean...."

as for the abundance of coverage... well, even in a 24 hour world, nobody really needs 24 hours of news. like mainstream religion, the mainstream media needs more attention and thus more money than most established businesses and other public oriented groups as people have been switching off more and more over the decades [thank merciful heavens]. if this were late summer in a year without a lot of tropical cyclones, I feel all they'd be talking about is the "unusual number of sharks gathering near the coast" [gathering in ways which sharks just tend to gather regularly that time of year but most laypeople and that one president all shout "omg shark"] so they bring it up only in summers without much other news to report, also so that they know that people will be watching on standby for when "a thing" happens. [that is to say, ANYTHING that might happen, this could just be leon tusk's latest mid-life crisis hobby for all we know]

the first year the "slow news shark" bit occurred in my memory was the summer of 2001, which [before the second week in september that year] had even been dubbed by the media as "summer of the shark". drones are feeling like the new sharks, yet I do respect the potential foreign and domestic yadda yadda yadda for various outcomes here [to wildly speculate, it smells like NK and RUS, particularly when one reads international headlines to this subject in the past year]. Stephen Hawking once said that he doubted extraterrestrial life had ever contacted humanity simply because if they had, the governments would know about it, and if they had kept that secret, they were better at keeping secrets than anything else. I legitimately believe that he was right about at least part of this: the governments are not good at much of anything besides keeping secrets, they're really good at that somehow.

Edited yesterday at 05:30 PM by DeepBlueSouth
*correcting my inaccuracy re: swansont {ty!}

[Moontanman]

It needs to be said... I know it's not 1938... but it is New Jersey!

 

[swansont]

42 minutes ago, DeepBlueSouth said:

if the goal was to shut down airports, Korea has developed light EMP weapons which can be targeted, we [by which I refer to the various US defense communities and er... their contractors as a collective; hopefully never just random people with guns] would be either shooting these down

That’s not an EMP weapon. As the link says, it’s a directed-energy weapon. There are also devices that try to jam the radio-control of drones

[exchemist]

18 hours ago, Moontanman said:

From what I've seen I'd have to agree but the only fly in the ointment is that they have been seen all over the world, assuming that is not hype, it's an oddly coincidental thing that US bases in the UK are experiencing this as well. Drones, no matter what the source, have been seen over these bases, and US bases as well has been admitted by government officials. To me this smacks of a classic false flag scenario or a group like Anonymous screwing with the air force. Sadly the only sources of information we have is the very news sources that are contributing to the hype! 

The situation is blowing up, its all over the news, the gov is silent, reporting they don't know what is going on but they are sure its not a problem... weird response IMHO. 

I have to agree i've seen nothing that says its more than drones and misidentified aircraft but that gov needs to say something other than we don't know what is going on but we are sure it's not a danger to anyone. That is nonsensical IMHO. 

I was kinda hoping some of our members are located in the area and can add something to this that isn't coming through on the news. I say its a concentrated effort by some group to cause chaos for nefarious purposes. The news hype around this is just adding to the confusion... the real question is why.  

According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_US_air_base_drone_incursions_in_the_United_Kingdom

the UK incidents took place over 4 days in late November. I’m not aware it is still going on, at least, I don’t see anything in the news. 

[Moontanman]

If anyone is interested this guy seems to have the most informed slant one this problem. It would appear this has been going on for some time and it may very well be the US military challenging it's self! 
 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:02 PM by Moontanman

[swansont]

18 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

If anyone is interested this guy seems to have the most informed slant one this problem. It would appear this has been going on for some time and it may very well be the US military challenging it's self! 
 

 

It’s 20 minutes. Please summarize, as the rules require.

[Moontanman]

17 minutes ago, swansont said:

It’s 20 minutes. Please summarize, as the rules require.

In this video he suggests that the drones might be part of "Red Cell" a group of our own military that tries to identify flaws in the US defense system. He cites specifics about drone incursions around other military bases that have happened over the last few years. 

He goes on the explain why the US isn't shooting them down even if they aren't ours and goes on the suggest how such drones could be dangerous to our military and how drones can be used to shut down airbases and destroy very expensive aircraft on the ground. 

He also describes some of the efforts of anti drone warfare. 

[TheVat]

4 hours ago, Moontanman said:

It needs to be said... I know it's not 1938... but it is New Jersey!

 

And it was said!  

On 12/12/2024 at 5:05 PM, TheVat said:

If this was 1938 and the sightings were over Grovers Mills, NJ, I would assume it's Martians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(1938_radio_drama)

 

 

[swansont]

The “drones” Maryland Governor Hogan filmed recently were stars in the constellation Orion

“The stars at the 39 second mark are recognizably the constellation Orion. From this you can determine that the bright lights behind the trees are the stars Sirius and Procyon. No anomalous objects are apparent in this video.”

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/larry-hogan-says-dozens-of-drones-flew-over-maryland-home-entirely-unacceptable-new-jersey-md-east-coast-flying-objects-ufos