A new form of philosophy I came up with

[ALine]

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

If I know the taxonomy of a raven, do I really know anything about what it is like to be a raven? 

Why does it matter to know what the experience of a raven is? Knowing something experience does not give you knowledge about it, only giving you an awareness of its condition.

[geordief]

Can  we have thoughts that have  identical components  to ones we have had before?

Or do they just feel similar  but are in fact slightly different?

 

Eg: If I lose a physical object , suffer no material  consequences  and find it again by accident  is there a part of  the  feeling/thought process  that is identical in all circumstances ?

Is it possible that  there could  be fundamental thought processes  that we weave together to create our conscious awareness?

(Hope I have not wandered off topic?)

Edited December 31, 2024 by geordief

[ALine]

51 minutes ago, geordief said:

Can  we have thoughts that have  identical components  to ones we have had before?

Or do they just feel similar  but are in fact slightly different?

 

Eg: If I lose a physical object , suffer no material  consequences  and find it again by accident  is there a part of  the  feeling/thought process  that is identical in all circumstances ?

Is it possible that  there could be be fundamental thought processes  that we weave together to create our conscious awareness?

(Hope I have not wandered off topic?)

I think that's more deeper level analysis of understanding, whereas a more a surface level understanding needs to be developed first 

[geordief]

On 12/13/2024 at 11:18 PM, ALine said:

It states that a given object is a "thing" or system or concept which can interact with other systems

Is it your understanding that no two  such objects or systems can be identical?

What  might be a method  of quantifying similarities between them  if that was held to be useful?(so that ,for example we might agree to give the two objects a same name  /designation)

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by geordief

[ALine]

3 minutes ago, geordief said:

Is it your understanding that no two  such objects or systems can be identical?

They can be, these are patterns.

[zapatos]

1 hour ago, ALine said:

Knowing something experience does not give you knowledge about it, only giving you an awareness of its condition.

IOW, you don't get to know anything about it, you just get to know something about it.

[geordief]

5 minutes ago, ALine said:

They can be, these are patterns.

So 2 crows and a pigmy can be the same object as 2 pop divas and a  meringue tart?(did I understand "patterns" correctly?)

[ALine]

1 minute ago, geordief said:

So 2 crows and a pigmy can be the same object as 2 pop divas and a  meringue tart?(did I understand "patterns" correctly?)

Well no, each is an independent pattern.

[geordief]

4 minutes ago, ALine said:

Well no, each is an independent pattern.

Do you want to  give an example  of 2 identical patterns that can be designated  as one object (if that is what you were saying?)

Do they  have to be patterns of the same objects? (Like  identical waves perhaps?)

[dimreepr]

22 hours ago, iNow said:

As opposed to… what, exactly?

On 12/31/2024 at 12:56 PM, iNow said:

In many senses, humans are just wet meat machines, not truly different from what you’re dismissing due to poor philosophical capabilities. Most humans I know have poor philosophical capabilities too. 

The fundamental difference, I believe, is that we're analogue and digital has limitations when trying to mimic reality, it can only appoximate; like trying to compute a random...

 

22 hours ago, ALine said:

Why does it matter to know what the experience of a raven is? Knowing something experience does not give you knowledge about it, only giving you an awareness of its condition.

That basically means, you can't have a meaningful conversation with it... IOW my point... 🙄