Hope you had a Merry Christmas! - New Toyota 2025 line-up is still disappointing.

[JohnDBarrow]

For American new-car market.

No thrifty little Scout truck as promised.
Tacoma truck prices ever soaring.
Still no plug-in battery electric trucks.

Of course, I don't want plug-in battery trucks until they can compete with fossil-fuels-burning trucks with similar load capacity, trailer-pulling capacity, highway speeds and range. The promised solid state batteries were supposed to make this a reality.

We asked for it, Toyota, when shall we get it?

Gladly, base-model gasoline Corollas have not jumped up in price for 2025.
 

[Sensei]

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Hope you had a Merry Christmas!

Obviously we had. In our city, 20%+ of the buses are electric. Some brainless idiot thought it was a good idea to make a spare sound because an engine is damn quiet so as not to hit a some pedestrian who thought it was a good idea to walk in the street full of cars.. Instead of nice peace and quiet, we have beeping and buzzing to pretend fossil fuel car, for only the one in a billion people who are drunk enough to walk on the road under the wheels of an electric vehicle and survive at the last second after hearing that beeping and buzzing. It would be easier to win the lottery than to be hit by an electric car you heard when you were so drunk..

 

Gasoline, fossil-fuel-based engines are good at museum. Old car rallies. Extravagant stunts. Antarctica or similar places.

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Sensei

[exchemist]

4 hours ago, JohnDBarrow said:

For American new-car market.

No thrifty little Scout truck as promised.
Tacoma truck prices ever soaring.
Still no plug-in battery electric trucks.

Of course, I don't want plug-in battery trucks until they can compete with fossil-fuels-burning trucks with similar load capacity, trailer-pulling capacity, highway speeds and range. The promised solid state batteries were supposed to make this a reality.

We asked for it, Toyota, when shall we get it?

Gladly, base-model gasoline Corollas have not jumped up in price for 2025.
 

Still playing the same tedious cracked record, I see. 

As far as I can see, the only person at Toyota allegedly promising an all electric Hilux truck (there is already a hybrid) is the president of their Thailand operation, who is reported to have said he expects it to be in the Thai market by the end of 2025: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a60306784/electric-toyota-hilux-coming-2025/  I cannot source even this to any direct Toyota source, so it may not be an official company statement. 

I learned, from this site: https://ccleasing.co.uk/news/99-the-best-electric-vehicles-coming-to-the-uk-market. that there is an issue of payload if one attempts to produce an EV version of an existing light truck design, due to the higher weight of the batteries potentially reducing the max. payload of the truck. Consequently, the electric light trucks now on the market -  and there are already quite a few - tend to be all-new designs.  

The Toyota Stout (not Scout), which you refer to, is rumoured in some corners of the motoring press to be due to make a comeback as an all-new EV, at some point in 2025. So far as I can see,  nobody says January and nobody says in the USA. Some details here: https://lexusandtoyota.com/2025-toyota-stout-ev/. (This is not a Toyota company site.) 

So this thread looks like yet more deliberate disinformation from you, once again trying to diss the shift to EVs. 

But indeed, it is more of a challenge for trucks than for passenger vehicles, due to the weight of existing battery technology for higher power outputs.

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by exchemist

[JohnDBarrow]

I'm not dissing anything. I'm an American. I'm only relaying what is being offered by Toyota Motor Company right now for us American consumers. According to Toyota's corporate website, Toyota's new 2025 pure gasoline Tacoma in 4-cyl motor actually has better MPG highway than its new hybrid Tacoma. 26 MPG vs 22 MPG so please try to figure that one out. It seems like hybrid cars, like Prius and Corolla, on the other hand do much better than their gas-only counterparts on gas. What is the point of buying a more expensive hybrid truck if it even gets $hittier gas mileage? I thought the whole notion of hybrid was to reduce fossil fuels consumption. 

 

Until Toyota offers us Yanks those solid-state battery trucks that can go 500+ miles on a single charge, there's not much I can do about it. 

 

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Edited December 28, 2024 by JohnDBarrow

[swansont]

1 hour ago, JohnDBarrow said:

According to Toyota's corporate website, Toyota's new 2025 pure gasoline Tacoma in 4-cyl motor actually has better MPG highway than its new hybrid Tacoma. 26 MPG vs 22 MPG so please try to figure that one out

The hybrid is significantly heavier. (curb weight 4,145 to 4,715 lbs vs 5,030 to 5,410 lbs)

I’m guessing batteries.

[JohnDBarrow]

1 hour ago, swansont said:

The hybrid is significantly heavier. (curb weight 4,145 to 4,715 lbs vs 5,030 to 5,410 lbs)

I’m guessing batteries.

So, it makes absolutely no sense to buy one.  For automobiles, the new Corolla Hybrid can top 50 MPG highway. The new Tacoma truck hybrid gets even worse MPG than it's pure gas counterpart while the Corolla car hybrid gets much better MPG than a pure gas Corolla. 

Ford's Maverick hybrid truck can top 42 MPG highway. The only trouble is, it's a Big Three product. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by JohnDBarrow

[TheVat]

What is the discussion topic here?  It's not 2045 yet therefore my life sucks?  Crikey, if you want to support EVs and carbon neutrality someday, then buy a Nissan Leaf or some other affordable EV, make the best of its limitations, and when you want to haul a pallet of bricks or some sheetrock just rent a truck.  Elecric trucks are expensive as hell, require far more carbon and rare earths in their fabrication, and make more sense as rentals than as a person's all-purpose vehicle.  Send a message to Big Auto by refusing to take part in the F150-ization of America's passenger fleet, and just buy a sedan.  

[JohnDBarrow]

I need something to haul my German Shepherd, my camping gear, my canoe and my deer when I go hunting. How much money do I need to give to Big Oil at the pump for accomplishing this endeavor? If the newfangled Ford Maverick truck had a 6-foot box and Toyota build quality along with nice folks at the Ford dealership, it would be a pure win for me. Ford has a great energy-saving idea that I wish Toyota would improve upon real soon. It would be no more challenging to build an electric pickup truck with solid-state batteries than an electric passenger automobile. I want a personal vehicle that is mother-earth-friendly but also worth a damn for working capacity and room. They just have to improve the energy efficiency of pickup trucks considerably. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by JohnDBarrow

[zapatos]

2 hours ago, JohnDBarrow said:

I need something to haul my German Shepherd, my camping gear, my canoe and my deer when I go hunting. How much money do I need to give to Big Oil at the pump for accomplishing this endeavor? If the newfangled Ford Maverick truck had a 6-foot box and Toyota build quality along with nice folks at the Ford dealership, it would be a pure win for me.

Kwityerbitchin.

[JohnDBarrow]

6 hours ago, zapatos said:

Kwityerbitchin.

It will then have to be a good preowned gas-only Tacoma 4-cyl. for me with a double cab and full 6-foot box.  There is absolutely no logic in the new automobile and light-duty truck market whatsoever.  God only knows when the automobile industry will truly get its chit together. 

This is from the days when Toyota had perfect sense. Dollars and cents. 1979-1980 television commercial. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by JohnDBarrow

[iNow]

11 minutes ago, JohnDBarrow said:

will then have to be a good preowned gas-only Tacoma 4-cyl. for me with a double cab and full 6-foot box. 

Phew. I was pretty nervous there that I wouldn’t get an update about this. Thanks for closing the loop. I’d have been unable to go on without knowing. I can now rest easy knowing what kind of pickups some rando on the internet prefers.

[JohnDBarrow]

This holds some promise too, a double cab version would even be sweeter:

 

[JohnDBarrow]

Even better yet, Toyota should bring back this 1991 truck, offer a double cab option, offer a hybrid option that can hit 40+ highway, put in a couple of airbags, offer a 4x4 or AWD option and this would be one bang-up truck for this decade!