Theory of soul( mysterious energy) as an unseen traveller.

[Muhammad Owais Isaac]

Imagine the soul as a curious traveler who needs a vehicle (your body) to explore and experience the universe.

 

Your body's cells are like a sophisticated vehicle ; functional, complex, and capable of interacting with the environment. The soul doesn't "operate" these cells, but uses them as a means to perceive and interact with the universe.

 

Without functional cells, the soul(mysterious energy) is like a traveler without a vehicle present but unable to move, see, or experience anything. When cells become dysfunctional or die, the soul loses its ability to interact with the physical world.

 

Think of it like this:

Cells are the car

Soul is the passenger

Universe is the landscape to be explored

 

The soul requires healthy, functioning cells to:

See the universe

Feel sensations

Gather experiences

Interact with physical reality

 

When cells can no longer support interaction (due to trauma, aging, or breakdown), the soul becomes disconnected from physical experience. This disconnection is what we understand as "death" not the soul's extinction, but its inability to use cells as an interactive medium.

 

Cosmic Energy Composition Parallel

 

Just as the universe comprises:

Dark Energy: 68-71%

Dark Matter: 25-27%

Ordinary Matter: 4-5%

 

Souls can be conceptualized as an analogous energetic system with similar mysterious, undetectable characteristics.

 

Soul's Interaction Principles;

 

1. Genetic Specificity

Each soul requires a precisely matched DNA configuration

No two souls can simultaneously inhabit the same biological system

Mismatched genetic structures prevent soul's universal interaction

 

2. Experiential Interface

Souls are conscious travelers seeking universal understanding

Genetic matching determines interaction potential

Biological systems serve as temporary vehicles for universal exploration

 

Theoretical Framework

The soul emerges as a quantum level energy form, operating beyond current scientific measurement capabilities, seeking specific genetic pathways for dimensional communication.

 

Philosophical Implications

This perspective repositions soul from a metaphysical concept to an intricate, energy based system with precise interaction mechanisms. it as experiential entity using biological systems as a temporary interface with universal reality.

 

Invitation to Discourse

I'm Open to constructive dialogue, critical analysis, and collaborative exploration of this theoretical model.

[iNow]

29 minutes ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

Think of it like this

No thank you

29 minutes ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

I'm Open to constructive dialogue, critical analysis, and collaborative exploration of this theoretical model.

First collaborative constructive criticism: It’s not a model. It makes no testable predictions. It’s a fiction, and a poorly structured one at that. 

[TheVat]

1 hour ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

The soul emerges as a quantum level energy form, operating beyond current scientific measurement capabilities, seeking specific genetic pathways for dimensional communication.

Leaving aside that I have no idea what this means, you do need some way to detect and measure this, or you remain in the realm of metaphysical conjecture, not science.  

Such conjectures, ontological dualism, have been around for a long time, with a modern spin post WW2 from neurologists like Sir John Eccles and others, where the neurons are modeled as "radio receivers," picking up signals from a mental realm.  

1 hour ago, iNow said:

First collaborative constructive criticism: It’s not a model. It makes no testable predictions. It’s a fiction, and a poorly structured one at that. 

If only he had baguettes and marmalade!

[iNow]

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

If only he had baguettes and marmalade!

Perhaps a nice lemon curd will do today ✌️

[swansont]

6 hours ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

I'm Open to constructive dialogue, critical analysis, and collaborative exploration of this theoretical model.

This is posted in philosophy. You have not presented a model; there are no testable predictions. How can there be, for “mysterious, undetectable characteristics”?

[Muhammad Owais Isaac]

10 hours ago, swansont said:

This is posted in philosophy. You have not presented a model; there are no testable predictions. How can there be, for “mysterious, undetectable characteristics”?

Cells prepared in laboratory are functional but not living why? 

15 hours ago, TheVat said:

Leaving aside that I have no idea what this means, you do need some way to detect and measure this, or you remain in the realm of metaphysical conjecture, not science.  

Such conjectures, ontological dualism, have been around for a long time, with a modern spin post WW2 from neurologists like Sir John Eccles and others, where the neurons are modeled as "radio receivers," picking up signals from a mental realm.  

If only he had baguettes and marmalade!

No, soul is kind of energy and each individual soul in the universe is different from the other, differing by frequency or wave patter. Modern science has developed cryogenic technology in which human bodies can be preserved to revive them in future. How they can be revived, not by introducing soul in them no way, actually when cells of human body become non functional by trauma, ageing, or any other  cause soul is disconnected because it can only utilise functional biological system to experience, explore and interact with the universe. So if any how scientists are able to repair the non functional human body then soul will automatically again utilize it. It is always available in space as kind of energy that current technological prowess can detect , somehow similar to dark energy, which exists but we can't detect it. 

I'm open to discuss this topic further. 

Edited December 29, 2024 by Muhammad Owais Isaac

[exchemist]

2 hours ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

Cells prepared in laboratory are functional but not living why? 

No, soul is kind of energy and each individual soul in the universe is different from the other, differing by frequency or wave patter. Modern science has developed cryogenic technology in which human bodies can be preserved to revive them in future. How they can be revived, not by introducing soul in them no way, actually when cells of human body become non functional by trauma, ageing, or any other  cause soul is disconnected because it can only utilise functional biological system to experience, explore and interact with the universe. So if any how scientists are able to repair the non functional human body then soul will automatically again utilize it. It is always available in space as kind of energy that current technological prowess can detect , somehow similar to dark energy, which exists but we can't detect it. 

I'm open to discuss this topic further. 

There is no evidence for the notion that "souls" have different frequencies or wave patterns. So this is just another Wild Assed Guess (WAG) on your part, isn't it?

What is the point in you posting this stuff? We can all dream up imaginary ideas like this. Why are yours worth sharing, if there is no evidence for them?

And I notice you persist in your wrong-headed notion of energy, as if it is some kind of invisible substance. It is not. It is a property of a physical system. This is science forum. Please learn a bit of science. 

   

[swansont]

4 hours ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

Cells prepared in laboratory are functional but not living why? 

I don’t accept that this is a true statement. What do you mean by “cells prepared in the laboratory”? It’s a very vague description.

in vitro cell preparation, for example, uses living cells. 

[dimreepr]

Nothing about the soul is mysterious, it's basically Newtonian, but with a quantum twist...🤞

 

[gawdzillasama]

6 hours ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

Cells prepared in laboratory are functional but not living why? 

Because we don't know how to reproduce the process that produces life in new cells. That doesn't mean that anything mystical is happening. Magic has yet to be proven to work. 

[Muhammad Owais Isaac]

On 12/29/2024 at 3:52 PM, exchemist said:

There is no evidence for the notion that "souls" have different frequencies or wave patterns. So this is just another Wild Assed Guess (WAG) on your part, isn't it?

What is the point in you posting this stuff? We can all dream up imaginary ideas like this. Why are yours worth sharing, if there is no evidence for them?

And I notice you persist in your wrong-headed notion of energy, as if it is some kind of invisible substance. It is not. It is a property of a physical system. This is science forum. Please learn a bit of science. 

   

You really need to be readmitted to KG school. You have no sense of even the ABCs of science. Don't you know that the universe is not only composed of ordinary energy and matter? The fact is that 75% of the universe's composition is a mystery or unknown stuff that scientists have arbitrarily named dark energy and dark matter.

[exchemist]

3 hours ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

You really need to be readmitted to KG school. You have no sense of even the ABCs of science. Don't you know that the universe is not only composed of ordinary energy and matter? The fact is that 75% of the universe's composition is a mystery or unknown stuff that scientists have arbitrarily named dark energy and dark matter.

Neither dark matter nor dark energy provides you with any justification whatever for imagining energy is a substance, nor for some wacky notion of souls with frequencies. 

[studiot]

6 minutes ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

You really need to be readmitted to KG school. You have no sense of even the ABCs of science. Don't you know that the universe is not only composed of ordinary energy and matter? The fact is that 75% of the universe's composition is a mystery or unknown stuff that scientists have arbitrarily named dark energy and dark matter.

There is nothing arbitrary about the names dark energy and dark matter.

 

Both matter and energy have definte definitions and are measured in definite units in Science.

Dark energy and dark matter conform to these definitions.

 

The use of the term dark is an acknowledgement by Science and scientists that we know less about these quantities than other forms of matter and energy.

 

Speculators should also acknowledge this and demonstrate how their speculation fits in with what we do know.

 

Can you start by showing  this ?

[swansont]

7 hours ago, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

You really need to be readmitted to KG school. You have no sense of even the ABCs of science. Don't you know that the universe is not only composed of ordinary energy and matter? The fact is that 75% of the universe's composition is a mystery or unknown stuff that scientists have arbitrarily named dark energy and dark matter.

The issue was souls, and the fact that we don’t know the details of dark matter or dark energy doesn’t mean anything regarding souls. That’s on par with saying we don’t know what a particular light in the sky is and concluding it’s an alien. 

We didn’t know the details of the composition of the nucleus 100 years ago. It takes time to figure things out.

[Gees]

On 12/28/2024 at 10:03 AM, Muhammad Owais Isaac said:

Imagine the soul as a curious traveler who needs a vehicle (your body) to explore and experience the universe.

Interesting idea.

Your body's cells are like a sophisticated vehicle ; functional, complex, and capable of interacting with the environment. The soul doesn't "operate" these cells, but uses them as a means to perceive and interact with the universe.

I can see this as a possibility, but have a problem with it. What causes the individual cells to work together with one soul? What creates the 'wholeness' of the soul? What bonds it? If I lose my leg, what happens to the cells in my leg and the soul?

Without functional cells, the soul(mysterious energy) is like a traveler without a vehicle present but unable to move, see, or experience anything. When cells become dysfunctional or die, the soul loses its ability to interact with the physical world.

I think it is possible that the soul also loses it's wholeness, it's self. So I think that whatever causes the wholeness of "me" breaks down as my body breaks down, so I would no longer have a perspective if I no longer had a body. The energy that makes up the soul may still exist, but it would not be whole -- a soul.

The soul requires healthy, functioning cells to:

See the universe

Feel sensations

Gather experiences

Interact with physical reality

I can agree that this is likely.

When cells can no longer support interaction (due to trauma, aging, or breakdown), the soul becomes disconnected from physical experience. This disconnection is what we understand as "death" not the soul's extinction, but its inability to use cells as an interactive medium.

How do you think the soul disconnects? How does it bond in the first place? Science goes with the explanation that it is produced by the body, but that explanation is much too simplified and does not explain enough. Reincarnation has the soul sometimes returning whole, but sometimes returning in part(s).

Cosmic Energy Composition Parallel

Just as the universe comprises:

Dark Energy: 68-71%

Dark Matter: 25-27%

Ordinary Matter: 4-5%

Souls can be conceptualized as an analogous energetic system with similar mysterious, undetectable characteristics.

Not so mysterious. Emotion can be defined as an energetic system with undetectable characteristics. Science and philosophy pretty much ignore emotion.

Soul's Interaction Principles;

 

1. Genetic Specificity

Each soul requires a precisely matched DNA configuration

No two souls can simultaneously inhabit the same biological system

Mismatched genetic structures prevent soul's universal interaction

The "precisely matched DNA" idea does not work for me because of evolution. The "no two souls can simultaneously inhabit the same system does not work for me either because of multiple personality disorders.

2. Experiential Interface

Souls are conscious travelers seeking universal understanding

Genetic matching determines interaction potential

Biological systems serve as temporary vehicles for universal exploration

I don't see where souls could be conscious travelers unless they are bonded with a body.

Theoretical Framework

The soul emerges as a quantum level energy form, operating beyond current scientific measurement capabilities, seeking specific genetic pathways for dimensional communication.

I can accept the possibility of a "quantum level energy form" that is "operating beyond current scientific measurements", but I can not accept that we are talking about a whole "soul" that is consciously "seeking" anything.

Philosophical Implications

This perspective repositions soul from a metaphysical concept to an intricate, energy based system with precise interaction mechanisms. it as experiential entity using biological systems as a temporary interface with universal reality.

I see consciousness as more energy based than metaphysical, even though I have problems seeing it as being individual "souls".

Invitation to Discourse

I'm Open to constructive dialogue, critical analysis, and collaborative exploration of this theoretical model.

The members of this forum are seriously biased against religion and even philosophy, so I don't know why you posted in this forum. I suppose you read that this was the philosophy forum so you thought it would be OK. No. The members of this forum believe that science is the beginning and end of knowledge. This means that if the information did not come from science, then it can not possibly be knowledge. It could be imagination, speculation, or maybe garbage, but it is not knowledge.

But  I found your thoughts interesting. You still need to do some work on your ideas,  but I doubt that you will get any help here.

 

Gee

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, Gees said:

The members of this forum are seriously biased against religion and even philosophy, so I don't know why you posted in this forum. I suppose you read that this was the philosophy forum so you thought it would be OK. No. The members of this forum believe that science is the beginning and end of knowledge. This means that if the information did not come from science, then it can not possibly be knowledge. It could be imagination, speculation, or maybe garbage, but it is not knowledge.

Most members of this forum are seriously interested in the best supported explanations for various phenomena, so I don't know why you would think we're biased against religion rather than its lack of rigor. And our philosophy section is not a WAG forum, it's not a place where we want to discuss every idea or thought that can't make it past the most elementary hurdles. I'm sorry you find us lacking, but there are TONS of sites out there for wild guesswork devoid of real science, and I invite you to visit them. If we're a bit stricter about what we devote our time to, that's on us, not you, and I encourage you to spend your time in places you enjoy.

[exchemist]

3 hours ago, Gees said:

The members of this forum are seriously biased against religion and even philosophy, so I don't know why you posted in this forum. I suppose you read that this was the philosophy forum so you thought it would be OK. No. The members of this forum believe that science is the beginning and end of knowledge. This means that if the information did not come from science, then it can not possibly be knowledge. It could be imagination, speculation, or maybe garbage, but it is not knowledge.

But  I found your thoughts interesting. You still need to do some work on your ideas,  but I doubt that you will get any help here.

 

Gee

If philosophical or religious ideas refer to scientific concepts, they need to use them in a manner that makes scientific sense. Otherwise, they are talking crap. No one gets a free pass to mangle science just because they call it something else.

Personally, I am not in the least bit contemptuous or dismissive of philosophical or religious ideas, but if someone treats energy as a substance, or tries to endow spiritual concepts such as the soul with physical properties like vibration frequency, I am going to call bullshit, because that is Chopra-esque woo.

Edited Thursday at 04:12 PM by exchemist

[dimreepr]

23 hours ago, Gees said:

The members of this forum are seriously biased against religion and even philosophy, so I don't know why you posted in this forum. I suppose you read that this was the philosophy forum so you thought it would be OK. No. The members of this forum believe that science is the beginning and end of knowledge. This means that if the information did not come from science, then it can not possibly be knowledge. It could be imagination, speculation, or maybe garbage, but it is not knowledge.

But  I found your thoughts interesting. You still need to do some work on your ideas,  but I doubt that you will get any help here.

 

Gee

I find this offensive, you clearly didn't research my credentials, or put any thoght into your post...

Knowledge is a form of information that some call data, any philosophy that doesn't include it, is a joke...

So I laugh at you...