Genady Posted Friday at 05:11 PM Posted Friday at 05:11 PM Make a list of all irreducible polynomials of degrees 1 to 5 over the field (0, 1). In the order of their degrees, this is my list: x, x+1; x2+x+1; x3+x+1, x3+x2+1; x4+x+1, x4+x2+1, x4+x3+1, x4+x3+x2+x+1; x5+x2+1, x5+x3+1, x5+x4+x2+x+1. Did I miss any? Is any of the above reducible?
studiot Posted Friday at 05:42 PM Posted Friday at 05:42 PM x4 + x2 + 1 = (x2 - x + 1) (x2 + x + 1) 1
Genady Posted Friday at 05:50 PM Author Posted Friday at 05:50 PM 7 minutes ago, studiot said: x4 + x2 + 1 = (x2 - x + 1) (x2 + x + 1) Yes. Thank you!
studiot Posted Friday at 06:54 PM Posted Friday at 06:54 PM Just now, Genady said: Yes. Thank you! Thanks Interesting that your field now allows (0, 1). 😀
Genady Posted Friday at 07:39 PM Author Posted Friday at 07:39 PM 43 minutes ago, studiot said: Thanks Interesting that your field now allows (0, 1). 😀 Yes. It is the field (0, 1), not a set {0, 1} as a subset of C.
Genady Posted Friday at 09:58 PM Author Posted Friday at 09:58 PM (edited) Show that if a rational number \(\frac p q\), where p, q are relatively prime integers, is a solution of an equation \(a_nX^n+...+a_0=0\) with all integer coefficients \(a_i\), then \(p|a_0\) and \(q|a_n\). Since \(\frac p q\) is a root of the polynomial on the left, \(a_nX^n+...+a_0=(X-\frac p q)(b_{n-1}X^{n-1}+...+b_0)\), where all coefficients \(b\) are rational. According to Gauss's Lemma, there exist rational numbers \(r,s\) such that \(rs=1\) and all the coefficients of the polynomials \(r(X-\frac p q)\) and \(s(b_{n-1}X^{n-1}+...+b_0)\) are integers. \(a_0=r \frac p q s b_0\). Since \(p|r \frac p q s b_0\), \(p|a_0\). \(r \frac p q\) is integer, thus \(q|r\). \(a_n=r s b_{n-1}\). Since \(q|r\), \(q|a_n\). QED Edited Friday at 10:02 PM by Genady
KJW Posted Friday at 10:39 PM Posted Friday at 10:39 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, Genady said: x5+x2+1, x5+x3+1, x5+x4+x2+x+1. Did I miss any? [math]x^5 + x + 1[/math] In general, the root of [math]x^5 + x + a[/math] is called a Bring radical of a, denoted BR(a). Bring radicals extend the notion of radicals with regards to the Abel-Ruffini theorem that states that there is no solution in radicals to general polynomial equations of degree five or higher with arbitrary coefficients. By extending the notion of radicals, quintic equations that have no solution in ordinary radicals have solutions in Bring radicals. Note that asymptotically, [math]\text{BR}(a) \sim -a^{1/5}[/math] for large a. Edited Friday at 10:41 PM by KJW
Genady Posted Friday at 10:54 PM Author Posted Friday at 10:54 PM 13 minutes ago, KJW said: x5+x+1 Hmm... I've checked it and found it reducible: x5+x+1 = (x2+x+1)(x3+x2+1).
KJW Posted Friday at 11:29 PM Posted Friday at 11:29 PM 3 minutes ago, Genady said: Hmm... I've checked it and found it reducible: x5+x+1 = (x2+x+1)(x3+x2+1). Perhaps I misinterpreted your original question concerning the field (0, 1). Anyway, I was focusing on the notion of Bring radicals because I thought they were interesting in terms of solving general quintic (and perhaps higher) equations.
uncool Posted Saturday at 01:00 AM Posted Saturday at 01:00 AM 7 hours ago, Genady said: Make a list of all irreducible polynomials of degrees 1 to 5 over the field (0, 1). In the order of their degrees, this is my list: x, x+1; x2+x+1; x3+x+1, x3+x2+1; x4+x+1, x4+x2+1, x4+x3+1, x4+x3+x2+x+1; x5+x2+1, x5+x3+1, x5+x4+x2+x+1. Did I miss any? Is any of the above reducible? There are a couple ways to check that may be beyond your current level; how much background do you have? Based on those ways, I'm pretty sure you've missed 3 irreducible degree-5 polynomials.
Genady Posted Saturday at 01:21 AM Author Posted Saturday at 01:21 AM 19 minutes ago, uncool said: I'm pretty sure you've missed 3 irreducible degree-5 polynomials. Could you write them down, please? 1 hour ago, KJW said: Perhaps I misinterpreted your original question concerning the field (0, 1). Anyway, I was focusing on the notion of Bring radicals because I thought they were interesting in terms of solving general quintic (and perhaps higher) equations. I assume I'll get to them eventually. Thanks.
Genady Posted Saturday at 07:54 AM Author Posted Saturday at 07:54 AM (edited) 9 hours ago, Genady said: Show that if a rational number pq , where p, q are relatively prime integers, is a solution of an equation anXn+...+a0=0 with all integer coefficients ai , then p|a0 and q|an . Since pq is a root of the polynomial on the left, anXn+...+a0=(X−pq)(bn−1Xn−1+...+b0) , where all coefficients b are rational. According to Gauss's Lemma, there exist rational numbers r,s such that rs=1 and all the coefficients of the polynomials r(X−pq) and s(bn−1Xn−1+...+b0) are integers. a0=rpqsb0 . Since p|rpqsb0 , p|a0 . rpq is integer, thus q|r . an=rsbn−1 . Since q|r , q|an . QED A much simpler proof that I've missed above: Since \(\frac p q\) is a solution, we have \(a_n(\frac p q)^n+a_{n-1}(\frac p q)^{n-1}+...+a_0=0\). Multiplying by \(q^n\) we get \(a_np^n+a_{n-1}p^{n-1}q+...+a_0q^n=0\). Thus, \(p|a_0q^n\). So, \(p|a_0\). And thus, \(q|a_np^n\). So, \(q|a_n\). QED Edited Saturday at 07:55 AM by Genady
Genady Posted Saturday at 12:16 PM Author Posted Saturday at 12:16 PM (edited) Factorize \(X^4+64\) in \(\mathbb Q [X]\). \(X^4+64=X^4+16X^2+64-16X^2=(X^2+8)^2-16X^2=(X^2+4X+8)(X^2-4X+8)\) Factorize \(X^4+1\) in \(\mathbb R [X]\). \(X^4+1=X^4+2X^2+1-2X^2=(X^2+1)^2-2X^2=(X^2-\sqrt 2 X +1)(X^2+\sqrt 2 X +1)\) Edited Saturday at 12:17 PM by Genady
uncool Posted Saturday at 01:44 PM Posted Saturday at 01:44 PM 12 hours ago, Genady said: Could you write them down, please? At the time, I didn't know what the polynomials were; the method I used told me the total number of degree-5 irreducible polynomials (6), not what they were. However, some basic manipulation gives me: [math]x^5 + x^4 + x^3 + x + 1, x^5 + x^3 + x^2 + x + 1, x^5 + x^4 + x^3 + x^2 + 1[/math] 1
Genady Posted Saturday at 02:07 PM Author Posted Saturday at 02:07 PM 20 minutes ago, uncool said: At the time, I didn't know what the polynomials were; the method I used told me the total number of degree-5 irreducible polynomials (6), not what they were. However, some basic manipulation gives me: x5+x4+x3+x+1,x5+x3+x2+x+1,x5+x4+x3+x2+1 Thanks a lot. I looked at my calculations. Turns out I've checked all three of them and made sloppy mistakes.
Genady Posted Saturday at 03:23 PM Author Posted Saturday at 03:23 PM (edited) Factorize X7+1 in F2[X]. One root is 1. It makes X7+1 = (X+1)(X6+X5+X4+X3+X2+X+1). Checking against the list of irreducible polynomials of degrees 2 and 3 in the post at the top of this thread gives the factorization of the degree 6 polynomial above: (X3+X2+1)(X3+X+1). Edited Saturday at 04:04 PM by Genady
Genady Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM Author Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM Factorize x4+2 in F13[x]. I've found it irreducible. Is it correct and is there a shorter way? Here is my calculation: if it is reducible, then x4+2 = (x2+ax+b)(x2+cx+d)=x4+(a+c)x3+(ac+b+d)x2+(ad+bc)x+bd. Thus, a+c = 0, ac+b+d = 0, ad+bc = 0, bd = 2 (all mod 13). There are six (b,d) pairs such that bd = 2. They are (1,2), (3,5), (4,7), (6,9), (8,10), and (11,12). I will use the observation that for all of them d-b ≠ 0 and b+d ≠ 0. From a+c = 0 we get c=-a, and substituting in the other two equations, -a2+b+d = 0, a(d-b) = 0. Since d-b ≠ 0, a = 0. Thus b+d = 0, which is not so. Thus, we can't solve for the a, b, c, d. So, the polynomial is irreducible.
Genady Posted 9 hours ago Author Posted 9 hours ago On 1/4/2025 at 9:44 AM, uncool said: At the time, I didn't know what the polynomials were; the method I used told me the total number of degree-5 irreducible polynomials (6), not what they were. However, some basic manipulation gives me: x5+x4+x3+x+1,x5+x3+x2+x+1,x5+x4+x3+x2+1 I could've calculated the total number of degree 5 irreducible polynomials without finding them as follows. The total number of degree 5 polynomials with constant term 1 is 16. From the list of irreducible polynomials of degrees 1 to 4 I find that there are 10 distinct combinations that make degree 5. These are reducible. Thus 16-10=6 irreducible polynomials left.
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