Elon Musk's Mars Project

[Airbrush]

Elon Musk will be happy to be the shadow president. Trump has been aging rapidly recently, due to the immense stresses on him. Trump looks more depressed than ever. I think Trump may have some kind of nervous breakdown before his term ends, but Elon will be pulling his puppet strings. Elon is the false prophet. His T-shirt says "OCCUPY MARS." He wants people to take loans or sell their homes to afford a one-way ticket to Mars, and a SELF-SUSTAINING colony on Mars is so far away, according to all the scientists I've heard from, hundreds of years away, if ever. (Let's spend those billions fixing earth!) So ignorant people will throw their money at Elon for his projects. But that is ok since Trump will cut taxes even more, especially for the wealthy, giving more benefits to the billionaires, and collect TARIFFS instead, a tax on the middle class.

Werner Von Braun came to America after WW2 and worked on the US rocket program. He wrote a novel about a colony on Mars with a dictator called "The Elon." The colony is ruled by a technocracy of scientists and engineers. I did a little brainstorming session with ChatGPT and this is what I found. I suspect Elon has much influence on AI these days, and maybe on ChatGPT also, because it sounds like Elon tampered with it.

Besides AI, there were a number of Youtubes that had titles sounding critical of Elon, but they were commercials in favor of him. Elon is messing around with AI. Try searching "Elon Musk warp drive" on Youtube. There are a number of Youtubes claiming he is working on warp drive, even testing it in orbit! ALL LIES! That's what you get from the false prophet.

 

Elon's father was a fan of science fiction and read Von Braun's techno-novel, The Mars Project. In the book the dictator of Mars is called "The Elon." Why did he name his son "Elon"?

"Wernher von Braun's The Mars Project (translated into English in 1952) is a visionary work that merges science fiction with engineering and scientific principles. It is considered one of the earliest and most detailed technical outlines for human colonization of Mars. The Mars Project is not a conventional narrative-driven science fiction novel but a speculative engineering manifesto. It lays out a plan for a crewed expedition to Mars, detailing the spacecraft, mission logistics, and planetary science based on von Braun’s expertise in rocketry. The text includes both technical analysis and some narrative elements to imagine the societal and organizational structure of a Martian colony.

Although the book is primarily focused on the technical aspects of a Mars mission, von Braun does touch upon the governance and societal organization of the Martian settlement. The leader of the Martian government is referred to as “The Elon.” This is not a proper name but a title, suggesting a position of leadership or authority [DICTATOR], much like a governor or president. The society on Mars appears to be governed by a centralized and hierarchical structure, a benevolent autocracy. Von Braun’s description implies that the governance would be efficient and technocratic, led by scientific and engineering elites. The colony would rely heavily on collaboration and communal effort, prioritizing survival and the common good over individualism. Scientific and technological advancement would be central to the colony’s success. The Martian colony would be a "utilitarian pragmatic society" likely have strict resource management, given the challenges of survival in a harsh environment. Economic activities and societal roles would be geared toward supporting life and expanding the settlement. Von Braun envisioned Mars colonization as a unifying project for humanity, with a multinational crew and global cooperation.

The book reflects von Braun’s post-World War II optimism about space exploration and its potential to unite nations and inspire progress. His use of “The Elon” as a title for a Martian leader has drawn modern attention due to Elon Musk’s Mars ambitions, though this is purely coincidental. The Mars Project had a profound impact on the development of space exploration. Von Braun's ideas influenced NASA's mission planning during the Apollo era and later inspired modern discussions about Mars colonization. It remains a fascinating blend of technical feasibility and speculative futurism, showcasing von Braun’s [ELON MUSK'S] genius and his dreams for humanity’s future in space.

[swansont]

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What is it you want to discuss? Your rambling does not make it clear.

 

[Airbrush]

On 1/8/2025 at 1:14 PM, swansont said:

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Do you think it would be a good idea voting Elon Musk into power as Speaker of the House?

Senators Rand Paul and Mike Lee, and Margie Green have suggested Elon be voted into Speaker of the House.  Elon has admitted to being depressed even before becoming wealthy.  He treats his depression using Ketamine and psychedelic drugs.  Elon Musk has undue influence over the president through his $270 million in support of the Trump campaign and has spent 55 days ($2000/day) staying in a cottage at Mar-A-Lago, sleeping only a few hundred feet from Trump.

Trump bragging to friends Musk renting cottage from him at $2K a night: report - Raw Story

Magic Mushrooms. LSD. Ketamine. The Drugs That Power Silicon Valley. - WSJ

"The biographer of Elon Musk...has raised concerns over the mental health of the Tesla boss after his unhinged comments on his social media platform X. Seth Abramson has warned that Musk might be "going mad" and could "endanger us all" due to his increasingly erratic behavior."

Elon Musk is going mad, claims his Harvard-educated biographer

"Elon Musk has spoken openly about his struggles with depression, even before he became a billionaire. He has said that he has been diagnosed with clinical depression and that he has had suicidal thoughts. He has also said that he uses ketamine to help manage his depression."

Why does Elon Musk suffer from depression with all the massive money? Why is he taking ketamine to help him? Perhaps he needs to change his life style, being depression is likely a psychological condition, not a disease? - Quora

"Musk has suggested building a fleet of 1,000 Starships, with each capable of carrying 100+ passengers per trip.  These 1,000 spacecrafts would be launched three times a day, making frequent trips to Mars during launch windows (approximately every 26 months when Earth and Mars align favorably).  SpaceX is ramping up production of Starships to facilitate this goal.  Musk envisions producing 100 Starships per year, accumulating 1,000 over a decade.  Musk has proposed reducing the cost of a ticket to Mars to $100,000 or less, making it accessible to many people.  He has suggested that people could sell their homes or take loans to fund their journey, and job opportunities on Mars could help pay off the debt.  The ultimate goal is not just to send people to Mars, but to create a self-sustaining city with everything needed for survival: food production, housing, and industrial infrastructure.  While Musk's goal of putting a million people on Mars by 2050 is ambitious and inspiring, it faces significant challenges.

"Starship needs further testing and proven reliability for long-distance human space travel.  The sheer scale of this endeavor will require substantial investment.  Life support systems, radiation shielding, and infrastructure must be perfected to sustain large populations.  Coordinating the transportation and resupply of millions of people is an unprecedented challenge.  Critics have raised concerns about the risks to human life and the environmental impact on Mars.  Despite these obstacles, Musk’s vision has sparked widespread interest in Mars exploration and may accelerate advancements in space technology, even if the 2050 timeline proves overly optimistic."

Elon Musk Says He'll Put A Million People on Mars By 2050

 

Edited January 10 by Airbrush

[swansont]

What does being speaker have to with going to Mars?

[Airbrush]

5 minutes ago, swansont said:

What does being speaker have to with going to Mars?

I think his insane obsession with Mars and Spacex will distract from the job of running the House.  Elon doesn't really care that much about Tesla, because he already acquired the power and wealth he was looking for all his life.  He already thinks he is "The Elon" of the North America continent.  That is fine with Trump in his quest for control of North America.

[Phi for All]

14 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

Elon doesn't really care that much about Tesla, because he already acquired the power and wealth he was looking for all his life.

I really dislike it when you jump inside someone's head to tell us what they're thinking, then use it as part of an argument. Even assumptions should have some supportive evidence.

[swansont]

32 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

I think his insane obsession with Mars and Spacex will distract from the job of running the House.

I don’t see that there has been a serious job offer for that position, so it’s largely moot, but I don’t know how much time it takes to say “Let’s go to Mars!” every now and then. It’s not clear that he’s all that involved with daily operations of any of his companies.

[StringJunky]

5 hours ago, swansont said:

I don’t see that there has been a serious job offer for that position, so it’s largely moot, but I don’t know how much time it takes to say “Let’s go to Mars!” every now and then. It’s not clear that he’s all that involved with daily operations of any of his companies.

I would guess in most of his ventures he spreads himself out thinner than a wartime ration of margarine.

[swansont]

7 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

I would guess in most of his ventures he spreads himself out thinner than a wartime ration of margarine.

I think it’s more that he has no real expertise to lend, so it doesn’t matter much. 

[iNow]

9 hours ago, Airbrush said:

Do you think it would be a good idea voting Elon Musk into power as Speaker of the House?

Mike Johnson was just re-elected speaker. 

[Airbrush]

On 1/10/2025 at 4:46 PM, StringJunky said:

I would guess in most of his ventures he spreads himself out thinner than a wartime ration of margarine.

Recently I saw an interview of Musk and he was sounding very normal, reasonable, and intelligent and was also answering questions seriously.  Then he interjected "See you on Mars you suckers!" and burst out laughing.

Edited Sunday at 06:18 PM by Airbrush

[Endy0816]

Think we'll need more advanced medical technology than we have now.

Negating health impacts of lower gravity and radiation damage are main concerns.

[Airbrush]

Besides pretending to be making progress on a "warp drive" Elon is also claiming A "Revolutionary Anti-Gravity Fighter Jet."

Let me save you from watching this 20-minute Youtube about Musk's "anti-gravity."  I watched this Youtube and there is NOTHING about anti-gravity in it.  That is how easily Elon lies.  He has many Youtubes that say Elon is working on "anti-gravity" or "warp drive," but there is nothing about anti-gravity or warp drive in any of those Youtubes.  Try searching Youtube for "Elon Musk Warp Drive" and I found at least EIGHT videos about his non-existent "warp drive."

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:31 PM by Airbrush

[exchemist]

9 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

Besides pretending to be making progress on a "warp drive" Elon is also claiming A "Revolutionary Anti-Gravity Fighter Jet."

Let me save you from watching this 20-minute Youtube about Musk's "anti-gravity."  I watched this Youtube and there is NOTHING about anti-gravity in it.  That is how easily Elon lies.  He has many Youtubes that say Elon is working on "anti-gravity" or "warp drive," but there is nothing about anti-gravity or warp drive in any of those Youtubes.  Try searching Youtube for "Elon Musk Warp Drive" and I found at least EIGHT videos about his non-existent "warp drive."

 

 

 

What makes you think these videos were posted by Musk? YouTube is full of all sorts of shit.

[CharonY]

I think using youtube to do research on any topic is a horrible waste of time. If you wanted t look into Musk's lies, there are court filings regarding his businesses or the long history of overselling capabilities of the products of his companies. Getting outraged over videos is only benefits advertisers.

[Airbrush]

1 hour ago, exchemist said:

What makes you think these videos were posted by Musk? YouTube is full of all sorts of shit.

I never said Musk posted these sh!t.  Of course, Musk MAY NOT have anything to do with these bogus Youtubes about his warp drive and anti-gravity, but Musk never disagrees with them.  The videos could be posted by ANYBODY, by Musk or Trump supporters, or even Russia.  He never debunks them, why would he?

36 minutes ago, CharonY said:

I think using youtube to do research on any topic is a horrible waste of time. If you wanted t look into Musk's lies, there are court filings regarding his businesses or the long history of overselling capabilities of the products of his companies. Getting outraged over videos is only benefits advertisers.

This is research into WHAT is being posted to the general public.  You are obviously too intelligent to be considered general public.  You are even a MODERATOR on the science discussion site!  That is above my pay grade.   Musk never says the bogus videos are false.

Edited 23 hours ago by Airbrush

[CharonY]

59 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

This is research into WHAT is being posted to the general public.

That, unfortunately is a huge can of worms. Mis and Disinformation is rampant on social media and we have seen plenty of cases of high-threat situation where those ultimately cost lives. I am honestly not sure what the topic here is as the issue goes well beyond individuals, even if if folks like Musk clearly are powerful amplifiers.

[iNow]

3 hours ago, CharonY said:

using youtube to do research on any topic is a horrible waste of time

Depends on the topic, intent, and channel. YouTube is an amazing resource for learning how to DIY stuff in the home or for fixing autos, for example. User critical thinking still required, but mention of “any topic” made me bristle  

[CharonY]

9 minutes ago, iNow said:

Depends on the topic, intent, and channel. YouTube is an amazing resource for learning how to DIY stuff in the home or for fixing autos, for example. User critical thinking still required, but mention of “any topic” made me bristle  

Well, fair enough. I probably had a more myopic idea of what constitutes research in my mind, mea culpa. Though there are also many such channels with "hacks" in their titles, which seemingly are good ways to ruin things (especially food).

But I think my main point still is that you have to be capable of sorting through a lot of nonsense, depending on topic, I think that DIY in general is not quite as infested as a myriad of other topics.

[exchemist]

2 hours ago, Airbrush said:

I never said Musk posted these sh!t.  Of course, Musk MAY NOT have anything to do with these bogus Youtubes about his warp drive and anti-gravity, but Musk never disagrees with them.  The videos could be posted by ANYBODY, by Musk or Trump supporters, or even Russia.  He never debunks them, why would he?

This is research into WHAT is being posted to the general public.  You are obviously too intelligent to be considered general public.  You are even a MODERATOR on the science discussion site!  That is above my pay grade.   Musk never says the bogus videos are false.

This is a bit silly. Musk would have better things to do than try to take down videos making outlandish claims on his behalf, even if he were a person interested in truthfulness (which he is not, I agree). You can’t blame him for crap posted by other people.
 

But you posted these videos, here on this forum, as evidence Musk was making false claims about warp drive and an anti- gravity fighter aircraft. So you took them at face value, without checking. That is not very sensible. Before responding to your post, I made a quick search for any claims involving Musk and either warp drive or anti- gravity…….and found nothing at all. So it seems to be BS. 

Edited 20 hours ago by exchemist

[swansont]

5 hours ago, Airbrush said:

I never said Musk posted these sh!t

You posted “Besides pretending to be making progress on a "warp drive" Elon is also claiming A "Revolutionary Anti-Gravity Fighter Jet."”  and “That is how easily Elon lies” which is quite clear in saying that claims are from Musk. 

If you’re going to go on about people posting misleading stuff, perhaps you should get your own house in order.