Christian nationalism (split from The movement to destroy American culture and traditions.)

[Markus Hanke]

14 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Same here. 2 years.
Musk is no longer welcome in Europe.

I wonder what the US would actually end up looking like if somehow their brand of Christian Nationalism was in fact fully implemented. Seems to me it wouldn’t be too far off a Republic of Gilead type situation. How could anyone actually want to live in that type of society? This is just beyond me. Maybe they simply don’t understand the ramifications of what it is they are advocating for. 

Even in Atwood’s novels, many of the main architects of the RoG are portrayed as secretly loathing what they had created. As they say, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

[m_m]

50 minutes ago, Markus Hanke said:

I wonder what the US would actually end up looking like if somehow their brand of Christian Nationalism was in fact fully implemented. Seems to me it wouldn’t be too far off a Republic of Gilead type situation. How could anyone actually want to live in that type of society? This is just beyond me. Maybe they simply don’t understand the ramifications of what it is they are advocating for. 

Even in Atwood’s novels, many of the main architects of the RoG are portrayed as secretly loathing what they had created. As they say, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

Sorry, but I can't help myself. What Christian Nationalism are you talking about? There's no Christian..Nationalism, it is a full misunderstanding of Christianity. The modern world removed Christian values and alive Spirit from itself. And so did modern science. This is the result of "there's no God". Here you go.

Crocodile tears. 

[dimreepr]

16 minutes ago, m_m said:

Sorry, but I can't help myself. What Christian Nationalism are you talking about? There's no Christian..Nationalism, it is a full misunderstanding of Christianity. The modern world removed Christian values and alive Spirit from itself. And so did modern science. This is the result of "there's no God". Here you go.

Crocodile tears. 

So you are a Christian saying "I told you so" without understanding the polital ramifications; there is no single cause of now.

What your saying here, is what a crusader might say to a Muslim bc their god has a slightly different accent, before you/they condemn them to hell.

All science does, in this context, is say "grow up"... 😣

2 hours ago, Markus Hanke said:

I wonder what the US would actually end up looking like if somehow their brand of Christian Nationalism was in fact fully implemented. Seems to me it wouldn’t be too far off a Republic of Gilead type situation. How could anyone actually want to live in that type of society?

To understand that one needs to be a savage, outside of that culture, to see the dystopia; inside and it's all to easy to buy into the utopia on offer...

[Phi for All]

2 hours ago, m_m said:

Sorry, but I can't help myself. What Christian Nationalism are you talking about? There's no Christian..Nationalism, it is a full misunderstanding of Christianity. The modern world removed Christian values and alive Spirit from itself. And so did modern science. This is the result of "there's no God". Here you go.

Crocodile tears. 

I think you're in denial. This is a blatant "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Does it matter if white Christian Nationalists in the US understand the religion they pretend to follow? No. They just want all the people of color who don't believe in their white Jesus to go away. It's not the modern world who removed Christian values, it's the white Christian Nationalists. 

[swansont]

6 hours ago, m_m said:

Sorry, but I can't help myself. What Christian Nationalism are you talking about? There's no Christian..Nationalism, it is a full misunderstanding of Christianity.

So? Misunderstanding Christianity seems to be a feature of Christianity (and probably of organized religion altogether). If it weren’t, we wouldn’t have all of these different sects. (tens of thousands of denominations)

It’s pretty clear that the party that claims to be Christian never read the Bible (or possibly, like Otto, read but did not understand) Christian nationalists use religion as a cudgel to seek power, not because they’re devout

 

6 hours ago, m_m said:

The modern world removed Christian values and alive Spirit from itself. And so did modern science. This is the result of "there's no God". Here you go.

If you did a “blind taste test” of party policy, you’d probably see that the Democrats’ policies are better aligned. The Republicans removed most of the Christian values from their politics decades ago.

Modern science never had them, so that’s moot.

[Markus Hanke]

17 hours ago, m_m said:

What Christian Nationalism are you talking about?

The one that the Christian far-right in the US advocates.

17 hours ago, m_m said:

it is a full misunderstanding of Christianity

Not in their eyes, unfortunately. They are fully convinced that their own interpretation of the faith is the only correct one.

17 hours ago, m_m said:

The modern world removed Christian values and alive Spirit from itself.

What values are those, in your opinion? I’m not a Christian, but I’ve read the Bible, and there’s a very wide range of differing views and values advocated in there. There’s some good things that I can somewhat stand behind, but there’s also some pretty horrific stuff that I wouldn’t want to go near with a barge pole. Some really disgusting stuff.

So who gets to decide what “Christian values” actually are?

17 hours ago, m_m said:

This is the result of "there's no God".

Modern science doesn’t say anything about God (Christian or otherwise), since the concept is not amenable to the scientific method.

[Peterkin]

12 minutes ago, Markus Hanke said:

So who gets to decide what “Christian values” actually are?

Whoever has the political power. Right now, the guy with the power is paying off the various factions that brought him to power. Which means he's insulting or damaging adjacent factions. Every gesture he makes to please militant bigots pisses off Christians whose values are more akin to those of the biblical Jesus.

 Since the decent, reasonable Christians outnumber the militant bigots, pretty soon he'll begin to worry about the backlash and repudiate his former extremist allies. Then 'Christian values' in the US will change again.