If Canada becomes a US state...

[KJW]

... would it be a red state or a blue state?

I've also heard Trump say that Mexico should become a US state. Maybe Claudia Sheinbaum should take him up on that offer. Then Trump would have to open the border with Mexico and allow Mexicans free reign of the US. Wouldn't THAT piss off his MAGA supporters?

 

[CharonY]

23 minutes ago, KJW said:

... would it be a red state or a blue state?

I've also heard Trump say that Mexico should become a US state. Maybe Claudia Sheinbaum should take him up on that offer. Then Trump would have to open the border with Mexico and allow Mexicans free reign of the US. Wouldn't THAT piss off his MAGA supporters?

 

Mexico was not considered, their skin color has the wrong shade. Canada would likely just become feral and with plans to burn down the White House again.

[npts2020]

Pretty funny, the Canadian home crowd booed the US national anthem before the US/Canada hockey game. Guess they just don't understand that Big Brother is going give them what they want, even if they don't want it.

Edited yesterday at 04:12 AM by npts2020

[exchemist]

7 hours ago, npts2020 said:

Pretty funny, the Canadian home crowd booed the US national anthem before the US/Canada hockey game. Guess they just don't understand that Big Brother is going give them what they want, even if they don't want it.

Ah, but that's just because they don't yet know they want it. False consciousness and all that. 🤪

Autocratic zealots have all the answers........

 

[TheVat]

22 hours ago, KJW said:

would it be a red state or a blue state?

Given the winters there, I'm going with blue.

[iNow]

Depends on whether the entire country as a whole became a state or if individual provinces each became states, but it’s moot bc it won’t happen. It’s all trolling to distract us from the more heinous shit they’re doing. 

[exchemist]

1 hour ago, iNow said:

Depends on whether the entire country as a whole became a state or if individual provinces each became states, but it’s moot bc it won’t happen. It’s all trolling to distract us from the more heinous shit they’re doing. 

Partly right but not the whole story in my view.

Classic Trump behaviour includes floating outrageous ideas and letting them lie for bit, while the Overton window is shifted by his tame news media and political outriders, and then returning to them later with more seriousness. This Canada one may indeed go nowhere, but I think it would be a mistake to count on it being merely a distraction technique. 

[Sensei]

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If Canada becomes a US state...

..Republicans will never win again..

 

[MigL]

On 2/21/2025 at 11:21 AM, KJW said:

... would it be a red state or a blue state?

Even if Canada was annexed as one state, and given the same representation as othe states in the House, Senate and Electoral College, the Republicans would never get elected again.

As it is right now, once the vindictive idiotic President is gone, even the scared self-serving Republicans who put their election chances above the good of the country, will reverse the agenda of the new orange Hitler.

Ronald Reagan isn't just turning over in his grave; he's doing cartwheels.

[CharonY]

44 minutes ago, MigL said:

As it is right now, once the vindictive idiotic President is gone, even the scared self-serving Republicans who put their election chances above the good of the country, will reverse the agenda of the new orange Hitler.

Ronald Reagan isn't just turning over in his grave; he's doing cartwheels.

I wished that was true, but in my gut I feel that we have gone down a road that is not only difficult to reverse, but it is also no longer linked to just one person anymore. I think of it more like digitally distributed cult, which is way worse.

[MigL]

I don't know ...

Many Republicans are troubled by his labelling of the Ukrainian President an unelected dictator, and snuggling up to the Russian President.

They are just too scared to voice their opinions because Trump and Musk will make sure they will not get re-elected.

[MigL]

The following article reflects my opinions

We're the villains now — and it’s about to get worse | Opinion

[CharonY]

I think my perspective is a bit different from yours and the author's. I am less worried about decisions and quality of individual politicians (which, I must add, is certainly worrisome in itself), but I focus more on the overall system and the population.

I think one assumption that quite a few moderate politicians have is that once the folks like Trump and Musk are gone there will be reckoning and subsequent to a status quo before they came into power. A kind of of normalcy, if you will. However, I do think we are in a new normal situation. I have ranted on modern information systems quite a bit a few times, so I will spare you that, but I will say that the current system and the prevalent misinformation is fuel for especially radical right wing ideologies which have gained tremendous power over the last decade. I.e., I think it goes way beyond Trump his cronies and a bunch of scared, self-serving sycophants. First, we will have folks that support it out of fear, then, we will have folks do the same thing, but with conviction.

Some of these elements we have seen played out with the tea party, and I think the trend has accelerated (and again, is broader than just the North American continent).

If we do not deal with it on a systemic level, I fear that there will be no reversal of these agenas.

 

 

[J.C.MacSwell]

8 hours ago, MigL said:

Even if Canada was annexed as one state, and given the same representation as othe states in the House, Senate and Electoral College, the Republicans would never get elected again.

 

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting to get to vote if it happened. Would even current Americans get an honest election to vote in if the currently attempted trajectory gets enough footing?

 

7 hours ago, MigL said:

I don't know ...

Many Republicans are troubled by his labelling of the Ukrainian President an unelected dictator, and snuggling up to the Russian President.

They are just too scared to voice their opinions because Trump and Musk will make sure they will not get re-elected.

If Trump/MAGA/extreme right is stopped, it has to come from them, from the right, and maybe slightly left of centre. Further left will just add fuel for those trying to establish a coup from within.

[iNow]

Even Trudeau has been pushed out of power in Canada. Even Canucks are not immune from charlatan right wing extremism

Edited 14 hours ago by iNow

[TheVat]

5 hours ago, CharonY said:

I think one assumption that quite a few moderate politicians have is that once the folks like Trump and Musk are gone there will be reckoning and subsequent to a status quo before they came into power. A kind of of normalcy, if you will. However, I do think we are in a new normal situation. I have ranted on modern information systems quite a bit a few times, so I will spare you that, but I will say that the current system and the prevalent misinformation is fuel for especially radical right wing ideologies which have gained tremendous power over the last decade. I.e., I think it goes way beyond Trump his cronies and a bunch of scared, self-serving sycophants

Yep.  That's why the focus on Trump as a Russian mole (rekindled today, I see, by a former KGB officer*) or a cult figure with some special charisma or just personifying a social pendulum swing on some hot button issue....is becoming a set of distractions from what you are noticing: the wider systemic problems for representative democracy.

 

(*)

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/donald-trump-recruited-kgb-codename-34727486

[exchemist]

14 hours ago, CharonY said:

I wished that was true, but in my gut I feel that we have gone down a road that is not only difficult to reverse, but it is also no longer linked to just one person anymore. I think of it more like digitally distributed cult, which is way worse.

Exactly. The whole point of an authoritarian coup, a textbook example of which we have here, is that it is irreversible. Part of the programme is to snuff out democracy, or turn its procedures into a merely decorative ornament, as it is in Russia. Once the courts are ignored, as Vance advocates, the way is open for vote suppression, bribery of voters - which Musk has already piloted - and/or intimidation at the polls.  It will be interesting to see how they do that but I have no doubt there will be a plan.

But the cult aspect that you draw attention to will make the task easier, given the influence of Musk et al over social media and the cowing of regular media that is already occurring through lawfare and selective exclusions from briefings.

Edited 7 hours ago by exchemist