Linkey Posted March 16 Posted March 16 During the recent US elections, polls were conducted in different countries to find out whom did people support more among the American presidential candidates; while in Europe the majority was for Harris, in Russia there were 7 times more people who supported Trump than Harris. This is understandable in light of the fact that the Trumpism is ideologically closer to Putinism: for example, in Russia, homophobia is part of the state ideology, and Trump also does not like LGBT. I wonder if Russians can now begin to change their views regarding their attitude to democracy. On TV, Russians have always been told that the excesses associated with LGBT in Europe, such as transgender people in big sports, are a consequence of democracy. This was facilitated by the meme invented by the leftists ruling in Europe - “democracy is not the rule of the majority, but the protection of minorities.” Now, perhaps, Trump will begin to fight with these excesses; and I hope that Russians will experience cognitive dissonance, when they will see that the Americans havedemocratically elected a president who suppresses LGBT. In Argentina, Miley is also trying to implement such a policy - he fired transgender people from the government and cut the "Ministry of Diversity". But Trump rules a much more important country, and maybe he will now stir the Hollywood and Disney, and stop the policy of propaganda of woke and BLM agenda in them. I hope that this will happen sooner; I want to emphasize that I am not a homophobe, the reasons is just that such a policy can change the worldview of Russians, and then perhaps they will stop supporting Putin and his war.
exchemist Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Linkey said: During the recent US elections, polls were conducted in different countries to find out whom did people support more among the American presidential candidates; while in Europe the majority was for Harris, in Russia there were 7 times more people who supported Trump than Harris. This is understandable in light of the fact that the Trumpism is ideologically closer to Putinism: for example, in Russia, homophobia is part of the state ideology, and Trump also does not like LGBT. I wonder if Russians can now begin to change their views regarding their attitude to democracy. On TV, Russians have always been told that the excesses associated with LGBT in Europe, such as transgender people in big sports, are a consequence of democracy. This was facilitated by the meme invented by the leftists ruling in Europe - “democracy is not the rule of the majority, but the protection of minorities.” Now, perhaps, Trump will begin to fight with these excesses; and I hope that Russians will experience cognitive dissonance, when they will see that the Americans havedemocratically elected a president who suppresses LGBT. In Argentina, Miley is also trying to implement such a policy - he fired transgender people from the government and cut the "Ministry of Diversity". But Trump rules a much more important country, and maybe he will now stir the Hollywood and Disney, and stop the policy of propaganda of woke and BLM agenda in them. I hope that this will happen sooner; I want to emphasize that I am not a homophobe, the reasons is just that such a policy can change the worldview of Russians, and then perhaps they will stop supporting Putin and his war. Not a chance, not least because Trump is rapidly turning the USA into a dictatorship like Putin's. Secondly I do not know where you get this badly garbled story about "leftists" saying democracy is not the rule of the majority but the protection of minorities. What "leftists" are these? It is the case that well crafted democracies elect governments according to the will of the majority, or as close to that as they can get under their electoral system, but that they also have the a separate institution, independent of the government, responsible for applying the law. It is the legal system that has the duty to protect individuals from what would otherwise be mob rule. We are all members of minorities of one kind or another and the law exists in part to uphold our rights as individuals, regardless of popular opinion. The elected legislators make the law of course. But then the application of the law must be fair and logical, for all citizens equally, which is why it has to be independent of government. It sounds as if you have got hold of a mangled description of this basic principle and attributed it, absurdly, to "leftists" when it is embedded in the constitutional arrangements of every mature democracy, not least that of the USA. One of the most pernicious developments of Trump's government has been the threat to undermine this principle and make law enforcement an arm of the executive, doing the bidding of the president. This of course is how Putin rules. If he doesn't like what you say about him you get arrested, may be sent to Siberia - or may even fall out of a high window or get your underpants poisoned with novichok. Trump is already claiming that news organisations whose reporting he dislikes are "illegal". (What was that about "free speech" again?) And his agents have just ignored a court order not to ship prisoners overseas by misusing the Enemy Aliens Act. The rule of law is under threat in the USA now. Edited March 16 by exchemist 1
swansont Posted March 16 Posted March 16 56 minutes ago, Linkey said: During the recent US elections, polls were conducted in different countries to find out whom did people support more among the American presidential candidates; while in Europe the majority was for Harris, in Russia there were 7 times more people who supported Trump than Harris. This is understandable in light of the fact that the Trumpism is ideologically closer to Putinism: for example, in Russia, homophobia is part of the state ideology, and Trump also does not like LGBT. I wonder if Russians can now begin to change their views regarding their attitude to democracy. On TV, Russians have always been told that the excesses associated with LGBT in Europe, such as transgender people in big sports, are a consequence of democracy. This was facilitated by the meme invented by the leftists ruling in Europe - “democracy is not the rule of the majority, but the protection of minorities.” Now, perhaps, Trump will begin to fight with these excesses; and I hope that Russians will experience cognitive dissonance, when they will see that the Americans havedemocratically elected a president who suppresses LGBT. In Argentina, Miley is also trying to implement such a policy - he fired transgender people from the government and cut the "Ministry of Diversity". But Trump rules a much more important country, and maybe he will now stir the Hollywood and Disney, and stop the policy of propaganda of woke and BLM agenda in them. I hope that this will happen sooner; I want to emphasize that I am not a homophobe, the reasons is just that such a policy can change the worldview of Russians, and then perhaps they will stop supporting Putin and his war. ! Moderator Note Lots of ideological claims, absolutely zero support for them. Rule 2.12: We expect arguments to be made in good faith. Honest discussions, backed up by evidence when necessary. Example of tactics that are not in good faith include misrepresentation, arguments based on distraction, attempts to omit or ignore information, advancing an ideology or agenda at the expense of the science being discussed, general appeals to science being flawed or dogmatic, conspiracies, and trolling. IOW, don’t assert your beliefs as fact. That’s a non-starter
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