The Ultimate Gravity Theory

[jammieg]

Firstly, thank you for your time and consideration to anyone who reads this. I am almost certain that what I'm about to attempt to explain is how gravity works, not the details but the general principle of it's operation, the underlying mechanism of it, and it's implications and it should not be a waste of your time. Actually it's been 3 years since I first published a lesser explanation on it without much interests, I haven't been able to prove anything and really lack the knowledge and expertise at this time to prove it, but I've still been working on it and perhaps now it will make a little more sense to someone...also if I've misposted this theory very sorry I'm trying to get it to as many readers as possible and in my haste may have broken some forum rule.

 

If we truly understood gravity like the other forces of light, electricity, magnetism, the stong nuclear forces, why can we do so little with it?

 

I hope to impart that gravity is merely an electromagnetic force in fact it is the the strong atomic force except, gravitation is at such distance that it does not "communicate directly" from one, say, electron to the proton of a hydrogen atom.

 

To try to explain it I ask you to imagine 2 of the simplest atoms, hydrogen atoms, and these are seperated by some distance such that we know only gravity is the force operating between them, perhaps 1 meter, and we also know that no matter how small a bit of matter is or how large there is always a gravitational force between them- an attraction, and always an attraction.

An atom of hydrogen has one electron spinning around one proton, and it's spin is 3 demensional, and there is no pattern to it if left unaffected by some magnetic feild or such it is a completely random spin around this positively charged proton, as is the other atom of hydrogen 1 meter away, so if we were to suppose that the atom acted like a bar magnet with a positive end and a negative end spinning around in empty space at tremendous speeds it would make no difference, because it is an entirely random spin, this is to say that these two "bar magnets" are going to align themselves to one another in some attractive way just as often as align themselves in some repulsive way, so you see what difference does it make to ask this question? But here is the difference; when two magnets are aligned to one another they attract and as they attract the force between them varies inversely to the square of the distance which means they accelerate toward one another, furthermore, as they find some equally probably repulsive alignement they repel from one another and decelerate away from each other, and so THE NET RESULT OF THIS ATTRACTION AND REPULSION = A TINY AMOUNT OF ATTRACTION...

 

Atoms are not magnets, but what they share in common is that all matter in stable existence is composed of positive and negative charges moving around one another, even the subatomic matter is still more positve and negative charges in some mutual and moving relationship, but hydrogen is the simplest and Van Der Walls forces might be the a good clue to why the is how it works, and also it is somewhat difficult to imagine that every little tiny atoms might be exerting it's own individual gravity wave to the entire universe it just doesn't seem possible and yet we see every little bit of light on the objects around us even from the farthest galaxies in our universe, it is all accounted for, I suspect gravity if an electromagnet wave is of little difference in this regard.

 

One way to prove this would be to calculate what two atoms of hydrogen would do in this way, but computing this in 3 demensions is a probability nightmare to me, so I use a rudimentry substitute of the most attractive and repulsive alignments for all possible alignments and came up with a number that is about 1/5th the force of gravity...close but not defenite proof, but then I used only arithmetic and a bit of algebra to do this, perhaps with more advanced mathematics I more accurate solution would be found, although there is still the very likely possibility that gravity works on many scales, that is not only must the atomic scale be accounted for, but more importantly the additive of the subatomic scale, maybe even an entire solar system on some scale has a little bit of additive gravitational force due to it's polarity like the Earth itself but I would guess that the larger the scale the less gravitational effect it has, it seemed to much to consider so I left it at this, feeling that at least the number is close so it's unlikely I'm on the wrong track- I mean the fact is there is some sort of force here, the principle of attraction makes it clear that there is some sort of force and it has a net attraction, what other force could it be if not gravity? Still this line of reasoning is false, unless we have eliminated all other possiblities, but who knows.

 

If this is how gravity works then the speed of gravity should be fairly easy to calculate, and probably harder to prove, it should be at the cutoff point at which gravity takes over and the strong forces leave off, because as the electron moves around the proton at maybe 1/20th the speed of light it's going to take about half the distance of 20x the atomic radius between the two atoms for "direct atomic communication" to take place which is the strong force, after that distance it becomes gravitational forces...unless gravity waves move at the square of the speed of light which is my guess.

 

An expirement you can easily set up to demonstrate the principle of attraction in gravity perhaps:

 

Take a magnet and tie a string around it such the the north end and south are parrellel to the horizon, now you can either wind the sting up or twist it in your fingers or attach a small motor to the other end of the string the point is to get this dangling magnet to spin around in a circle such the we now know that the + end and the - end are as likely to be in one point of the circle as the other, it is completely random. Now take another magnet and with the + end (also parrellel to the horizon) move it toward the spinning magnet, what do you suppose will happen? Will the spinning magnet repel or attract, or will it stay in one spot? Curiously, and defying the common sense of most anyone, the spinning magnet shall always attract to the stationary one regardless of which end approaches + or -, this is because as the magnet spins I suspect is accelerates toward the stationary one when it is in an attractive alignment, and just as often it is in a repulsive alignment but when it repels it decelerates away and the net result of this is a tiny bit of attraction and always an attraction. I believe this demonstrates the principle of attraction very clearly but it does not prove this this same principle can apply to gravity.

 

 

The Ether Theory:

A century ago it was believe that light and gravity must have a means of propogation through empty space, that there must be some substance underlying it all that allowed for this to happen, the reason being that all energy had to have some bit of matter that allowed it to transfer it's force from one area to another or form to another form, just like sound must have air or water perhaps to allow it to be heard, but eventually it was abandoned.

I can only speculate for now, but what I suspect the ether actually is, is that it is the pure + and pure - charges that exist in the universe that have no relationship that is they are free from one another in a kind of grid formation + to - to + to -, think about it...all matter that we know of in a stable existence is made up of + and negative charges working together, and the matter that isn't( such as in supercolliders) quickly winks out of existence, and where does it go if "matter can never be created nor destroyed"? Think about the Tesla lines around a magnet, how do they form? What causes them to form? Why lines anyway, why not a cloud of magnetic field? Now think about what would happen to this supposed ether I've proposed in it's gridlike formation if we stuck a bar magnet in it, all the little negatives would go to the positive end and the positives would go to the negative end, but where ever there is much positive negative is close to follow, these lines that form may in fact be a sandwiching of the + and - ether charges up against one another, but draw a picture of it or use dimes and pennies to represent them and see how neatly it should form tesla lines as the 2 charges fit where they must fit.

 

Knowing how gravity works it is easy to see that the oceans don't just rise and fall due to the moons extra gravitational exertion, but that water is abundant in hydrogen atoms which are the best little gravity magnets around unlike a very large atom with a more electrically neutral appeance to it(on the atomic scale), so that water is especially affected by the moon, what might be dismissed as Van der Walls forces but that only applies from a molecule of water to water, not water to moon, in fact I would bet that a gallon of water would decrease in weight a greater percent than a pound of lead when the moon is directly overhead, this being due to the especially gravitational properties of hydrogen, that would also be some bit of proof, but would probably take some very expensive instruments to detect. Also like I asked from the start If we truly understood how gravity worked why can we do so little with it? Would it be so impossible to create an ether vacuum, like an air vacuum, that wouldn't allow light or gravity or any electromagnetic wave to travel through? This would mean you could build such a device and levitate objects above it or reduce their weight, it would mean you could lift 1 ton 10 ft in the air as if it were 1 pound and then turn the barrier off, hook this up to some pulley system and generators and create a huge amount of free energy, this should be impossible, but the reason I know this is true is because the universe is expanding at an accelerated rate...think about it, we are repelling at an accelerated rate... gravity attracts at an accelerated rate... it's a matter of perspective, on a small scale gravity attracts, on a large scale everthing repels...in space gravity is attracted everything together yet the potential energy of objects is determined by their distance from one another, so if gravity is reducing all this potential energy on one smaller scale which very often object never hit the ground as with Newton's apple, then where this energy go? It goes into the expansion of the universe, perhaps, which is why I think it's possible to lift a ton weight at virtually no energy expense and then drop it under normal gravity to generate energy, having mastered gravity, we would be able to tap into it's power and control it, and someday soon I hope, we are going to explore this galaxy in vehicles that are immune to g-forces, that can move freely throughout the universe without any propultion system, but by masking the gravitational waves on top of you, below you, behind and to your sides in space you would only feel the gravity from in front of you and since gravitational attraction is all relative you might quickly begin to accelerate forward in some vehicle, possibly even to surpass the speed of light to nearly a square of it.

 

If you have any questions, or if you want to investigate these ideas further on your own or in collaboration feel free usually it's whoever proves a theory with indisputable mathematical reasoning that gets primary credit for it's discovery as it should be, and I would be glad to try to explain any of it, I mean I've been puzzling over it for 12 years now and even I still can't quite understand it so I imagine trying to understand it from someone else in less than 15 minutes with mostly words is far more difficult. Jammiecg@adelphia.net

[swansont]

But here is the difference; when two magnets are aligned to one another they attract and as they attract the force between them varies inversely to the square of the distance which means they accelerate toward one another

 

Dipoles drop off as 1/r³

 

If gravity were electromagnetic in nature, we should be able to shield it like we can shield electric and magnetic fields. That effect is not observed.

[Kedas]

So the (gravity) force is present after alignment of the 'bar magnets'

So what you are saying is if you put mass A & B at 1meter distance they will have a certain attractive force but if I disturb the alignment of A and/or B with a third mass C the force between A & B will change significantly???

[jammieg]

Dipoles drop off as 1/r³

 

If gravity were electromagnetic in nature' date=' we should be able to shield it like we can shield electric and magnetic fields. That effect is not observed.[/quote']

 

 

I didn't know that about dipoles, obviously my knowledge of physics is still elementary in many ways, but you must already know doubt know that what I meant to refer to is the electrical force or electrostatic forces of the particles themselves which do vary inversely to the square of the distance, but that magnets are easier to work with..., except when talking about atomic forces which are actually not very simple at all but here is a quote I just read from The Feynman Lectures volume 2 chapter 8, section 4, that may be of interest to you:

 

"...A considerable knowledge of the force between proton and proton has been accumulated, but we find that the force is as complicated as it can possibly be. What we mean by "as complicated as it can be" is that the force depends on as many things as it possibly can. First the force is not a simple function of the distance between the two protons. At large distances there is an attraction, but at closer distances there is a repulsion. The distance dependence is a complicated function, still imperfectly known."

 

That is very interesting because as I said before at large distances gravity is going to take over and all matter attract regardless of it's charge composition since all matter is made up of + and -, at shorter distances the atomic force takes over, but maybe there is also a shady area between the two when some direct commuication takes place but not much as so it is a force neither like gravity or atomic... and it gets more wild:

 

"Second, the force depends on the orientation of the proton's spin. The protons have a spin, and any two interacting protons may be spinning with their angular momenta in the same direction or in opposite directions. And the force is different when the spins are parallel from what it is when they are antiparallel... The difference is quite large it is not a small effect.

Third, the force is considerably different when the separation of the two protons is in the direction parallel to their spins...than it is when the separation is in a direction perpendicular to the spins... Fourth, the force depends, as it does in magnetism, on the velocity of the protons, only much more strongly than in magnetism..."

 

This is interesting because when I mentioned the magnet expirement, I didn't say what would happen if the stationary magnet approched the spinning magnet from the top or the bottom, and it turns out that the spinning magnet is 2/3 attractive in all directions and 1/3 repulsive on either the top or the bottom axis, and also as the speed of the magnets rotation increases the force decreases, but I didn't think to see what would happen with 2 spinning magnets set up like Feynman's mysterious spinning protons.

 

I do however have a couple of years in electronics and I'm not sure I know what you mean by electric and magnetic sheilds..., but if you mean things like the electromagnetic radiation and reducing or elimination of electromagnetic interference (EMI) materials and absorbers like on a computer casing or in a VCR these are not really the barriers to this theoretical ether I'm supposing, and are actually not all that great at blocking all that stuff which is why most airlines still enforce a no cell phone policy on airplanes. I hadn't thought about it though until you mentioned it, all electromagnetic radiation would propogate through this theoretical ether, so if some radiation of certain frequencies can be sheilded it should also follow that a sheild could at least block some gravitational force perhaps...but then the order of these waves could be in the range of 10(-10 power) and 10(-15 power) given the size a hydrogen atom or a subatomic particle and oscillating at increadibly an incredibly fast rate, in which gamma rays are 10(-6), or gravity may have no particle equivalent at all like the photon, it may propogate through the ether itself, I don't know.

[jammieg]

So the (gravity) force is present after alignment of the 'bar magnets'

So what you are saying is if you put mass A & B at 1meter distance they will have a certain attractive force but if I disturb the alignment of A and/or B with a third mass C the force between A & B will change significantly???

 

 

No, almost always regardless of what A and B atom are up to(except in odd cases like Van der Walls forces), atom C would always percieve a random electromagnetic wave, atom C would then respond to that wave accordingly either attracting or repelling but at such a distance and at such rates of atomic spin they will never be able to send their alignment information back and forth fast enough to respond to each other "directly" like with the atomic forces, like when you get to magnets close enough together they always snap together very quickly in one way...but suppose you were to slow the atomic spin down very very slow by cooling a hydrogen atom to near absolute zero, now the spin will be very slow and so the distances at which "direct and indirect communication" or atomic and gravity forces can communicate or take place are greatly reduced, because as you speed up the spin of a magnet it's force of attraction is reduced, so such an atom would have tremendous forces...it turns out a BEC has already been created and it has tremendous electromagnetic forces even slowing light to a crawl of 28mph.

[marklar]

The point you make that the net result of attractive / repulsive forces assumes that the first force is attractive. If the first force is repulsive, the opposite would be true (although I don't think that the net result would be anything other than 0 anyway).

 

Bear in mind that the 'poles' are always active so there are not only 2 positions where they would interact but rather a constantly changing force that has been present since the particles were formed.

[swansont]

it turns out a BEC has already been created and it has tremendous electromagnetic forces even slowing light to a crawl of 28mph.

 

That's not how it works. Slowing light with specially prepared atomic vapors is well-understood.

 

You are taking causes at one end and effects at the other, and filling the middle with little regard to the actual science involved.

[jammieg]

The point you make that the net result of attractive / repulsive forces assumes that the first force is attractive. If the first force is repulsive' date=' the opposite would be true (although I don't think that the net result would be anything other than 0 anyway).

 

Bear in mind that the 'poles' are always active so there are not only 2 positions where they would interact but rather a constantly changing force that has been present since the particles were formed.[/quote']

 

I beleive it works out the same regardless of which force one starts from in trying to calculate it, that is, the attractive alignment can be considered independent of any previous forces or alignments exerted on the atom and then the repulsive alignment can be considered independently because the effects on this atom or completely random, that is 50% of the time it would be some gradation of attractive alignment and 50% some gradation of repulsive alignment and it would be the sum of these two effects that if all were accounted for should equates to Newton's gravity formula, I hope that makes sense.

In the magnet expirment, regardless of which pole approaches the spinning magnet the spinning magnet always attracts to the stationary one, it does not cancel out, or only repel, but I believe it is this combination of repulsions and attractions, or decelerations and accelerations that result in a smaller net attraction dependent also on the speed of the spin.

 

I couldn't calculate for this at this time, it appears to be a complicated calculus problem to account for all the gradations of alignment in 3-demensional space while also calculating for the force effects and it is over my head to do it in such detail but would probably result in even less of a force than what the 1/5th of G I got due to I only considered comparison effects of the two maximum possible alignments x.66, I didn't calculate for the probably additive or more important forces exerted by the electron and proton itself either, I'm still just now learning fundamental calculus and will probably be a year before I can do this problem in such detail, sorry, I do have some old notes on the first calculation though it isn't very convincing to me to get only approximations, but I believe the logical reasoning behind it is sound so that some bit of attractive force is a real result.

[jammieg]

That's not how it works. Slowing light with specially prepared atomic vapors is well-understood.

 

You are taking causes at one end and effects at the other' date=' and filling the middle with little regard to the actual science involved.[/quote']

 

 

Yes, I'm not sure how it works something about increasing the refractive index many times gives the appearance that light is moving at 28mph when actually light's speed is still the same it's the refractiveness of the BEC that has gone way up, some physicist disagree on this and have said it slows the speed of light, but this is a bit hype, regardless the BEC is exhibiting tremendous electromagnetic properties, I asked a researcher about this and I was told that special magnetic traps even have to be used to keep the BEC in one place. Thank you, you are a very good critic and have forced me to really think about these things.

 

It wasn't my intention to distort the truth, I'm hoping to explain a connection that this gravity theory predicts that as atoms slow down in speed that the distance at which their atomic forces operate would increase greatly, just as the spinning magnet would slow down in spin the force of attraction would increase...that would also seem to suggest that the weight of an object would increase, that the mass would increase.

[jammieg]

So the (gravity) force is present after alignment of the 'bar magnets'

So what you are saying is if you put mass A & B at 1meter distance they will have a certain attractive force but if I disturb the alignment of A and/or B with a third mass C the force between A & B will change significantly???

 

Ok, I misuderstood you about this, if the alignment of B were disturbed by C in a molecule of something like water and A were a hydrogen atom there should be more attraction than to B and C by themselves because the new molecule (B and C) is additive to the theoretical gravity force exerted of A to B and A to C independently, sorry, I wasn't sure what you meant by "disturbed" like in a molecule right?

I think that the force would be additive, but only very slightly on the molecular scale, and only a bit more slightly if it were a molecule of water compared to a molecule of water; reason being that a molecule of water is like a spinning magnet in itself composed of spinning magnets that are themselves even composed of spinning charges, so that there are multiple scales at which gravity would theoretically operate with the smallest scale probably having the greatest force addition.