zahizahi Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 The comprehensive analysis of the chimpanzee genome reveals a greater genetic difference from humans. http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/widening_genetic_gap.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokele Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Yes, more mutations happened that we thought. The rest of the article about how this somehow undermines evolution, is pure creationist bullshit, though. Talk about grasping at straws, that's like saying that because Bill Gates lost $20 in poker he's significantly less rich. The technical aspects of this link are the only reason it's not in Psuedoscience right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tree Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 This article is odd. It starts off fairly interesting then suddenly the logic just melts away leaving, as Moleke so gracefully phrased it, bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoli Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 This is not a new idea... in fact, this is a repeat thread, though with a different article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzurePhoenix Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 This article is odd. It starts off fairly interesting then suddenly the logic just melts away leaving, as Moleke so gracefully phrased it, bullshit. It's not odd at all, considering the site it came from. Hit the home button and all will be revealed. I'm getting sick of these sites... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demosthenes- Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I haven't been able to find how close a human is to another animal before (besides a chimp), and it's kinda hard to compare a human and a chimp with out some kind of control, or am I missing something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 A better thread on the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Clearly, similarity between genetic sequences does not prove common ancestry. That's good to hear. Next time I get tickets to a "You're my Baby's Daddy" episode of Jerry Springer, I'll be sure to bring this up, nullify the DNA paternity tests, and free the oppressed deadbeats dads of the world from the iron tyranny of parental responsibility. Edit: Oh wait, common ancestry. So when Maury Povich reunites long lost siblings by DNA, I'll spoil the joy by bringing this up and telling them to keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokele Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I haven't been able to find how close a human is to another animal before (besides a chimp), and it's kinda hard to compare a human and a chimp with out some kind of control, or am I missing something else? The thread bascule indicated shows some evidence concerning other primates, however, in order to get gross % similarity figures, you have to analyze basically everything from the other species. This takes an inordinate amount of time, and, since we've got figures for chimps, why bother with things that are likely to show just a little bit more difference when you can move on to other more distant species. There should be figures between humans and rats floating around somewhere (google). However, phylogenies, especially molecular phylogenies, assess the level of difference between numerous species at one or several genes, thus you can expect phylogeny to *roughly* correlate to degree of genetic difference. Basically, humans are closest to chimps, then gorillas, then organutans, then gibbons, then Old-world monkeys, then New world monkeys, then various prosimians (lemurs, pottos, lorises, aye-ayes, etc). However, after that, it's a pretty long path back to the nearest common ancestor of primata and the rest of mammalia, since primates split off early, and a lot of those early intermediates are dead. That's good to hear. Next time I get tickets to a "You're my Baby's Daddy" episode of Jerry Springer, I'll be sure to bring this up, nullify the DNA paternity tests, and free the oppressed deadbeats dads of the world from the iron tyranny of parental responsibility. Edit: Oh wait, common ancestry. So when Maury Povich reunites long lost siblings by DNA, I'll spoil the joy by bringing this up and telling them to keep looking. It could still work. After all, it's common ancestry, and you don't get much more common than the people on those shows. Mokele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bascule Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 In The Ancestor's Tale Dawkins claimed that primates shared a common ancestors with rodents and glires before their common ancestor with all other placental mammals. Of course the breakdown on tolweb shows primates being closer to bats, tree shrews, and flying lemurs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokele Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Depends which phylogenetic analysis you believe; there's about 100. The problem is that when the dinos died, the diversification of mammal orders and families was so rapid that it's very hard to retrospectively distinguish which diverged first and from whom. It's like a big knot in the phylogenetic tree, and our current tools don't have the resolution to "see" the individual strands in the knot, so generate contradictory results. Mokele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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