Garry Denke Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Newton's F=GmM/r^2 to Franklin's F=Gm^2/w^2 for All "How do gravitons G=Fw^2/m^2 (electrons) interact?" 1) Newton... F=GmM/r^2 2) Franklin... F=Gm^2/rR 3) Franklin... F=GmM/rR 4) Franklin... F=Gm^2/r^2 (three root) 5) Franklin... F=GmM/w^2 6) Franklin... F=Gm^2/wW 7) Franklin... F=GmM/wW 8) Franklin... F=Gm^2/w^2 (three root) F=force, G=gravity, m=mass, M=Mass, r=radius, R=Radius, w=wavelength, W=Wavelength Electrons are gravitons Gravitons are electrons
lqg Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 no, gravitons (which havent yet been detected) are not electrons. they arent even in the same group of family graviton should be a boson and electron is a fermion.
Garry Denke Posted September 21, 2003 Author Posted September 21, 2003 lqg said in post #2 :no, gravitons (which havent yet been detected) are not electrons. they arent even in the same group of family graviton should be a boson and electron is a fermion. So much for the outdated Standard Model lqg. Here are the 7 measured physical properties of the graviton in SI base units: The Primary Universal Base Unit Values 1) graviton mass - (hc/G)^1/2 = 5.4563026(39) x 10^-8 kg 2) graviton length - (hG/c^3)^1/2 = 4.0507625(38) x 10^-35 m 3) graviton time - (hG/c^5)^1/2 = 1.3511889(41) x 10^-43 s 4) graviton current - e/(hG/c^5)^1/2 = 1.1857530(90) x 10^24 A 5) graviton temperature - c2/(hG/c^3)^1/2 = 3.5518626(82) x 10^32 K 6) graviton substance - M/(hc/G)^1/2 = 1.6605387(31) x 10^-27 kmol 7) graviton intensity - (hG/c^5)^1/2/sr = 1.9720204(06) x 10^-45 cd when multiplied and divided by themselves up through the 4 dimensions with these 2 measured physical property angles: 1) Al Einstein's solid angle (steradiant) = 6.8517999(97) x 10^1 sr 2) Max Planck's plane angle (radiant) = 1.3703599(97) x 10^2 rad yield: (only first 115 shown to conserve bandwith) The Primary Universal Physical Constants 001) irradiance constant i. = 4.5211591(52) x 10-122 s^3/kg 002) radiance constant i.= 3.0978078(26) x 10-120 s^3-sr/kg 003) radiant volume constant = 1.3554094(15) x 10^-113 m-s^2/kg 004) measurement volume = 6.6467654(65) x 10^-104 m^3 005) graviton volume constant = 1.2181812(31) x 10^-96 m^3/kg 006) luminous efficacy = 3.7229937(53) x 10^-96 cd-sr-s^3/kg-m^2 007) electric current volume = 1.3838190(49) x 10^-93 m^2/A 008) luminous energy = 1.8257115(55) x 10^-86 cd-sr-s 009) electric charge volume = 4.1485851(42) x 10^-85 m^3/A-s 010) molar volume = 4.0027765(33) x 10^-77 m^3/kmol 011) moment of inertia = 8.9530708(38) x 10^-77 kg-m^2 012) graviton fluidity = 1.0031235(26) x 10^-70 m-s/kg 013) measurement area = 1.6408677(14) x 10^-69 m^2 014) electric moment = 6.4900363(91) x 10^-54 A-s-m 015) graviton capacitance = 5.234567901... x 10^-48 A^2-s^4/kg-m^2 016) magnetic moment = 1.9456639(62) x 10^-45 A-m^2 017) luminous intensity = 1.9720204(06) x 10^-45 cd 018) graviton frequency i. = 1.3511889(41) x 10^-43 s 019) luminous flux = 1.3511889(41) x 10^-43 cd-sr 020) graviton moment = 2.2102186(33) x 10^-42 kg-m 021) inductance constant = 3.4877980(18) x 10^-39 kg-m^2/A^2-s^2 022) absorption-emission = 2.4763819(58) x 10^-36 s/kg 023) graviton wavelength = 4.0507625(38) x 10^-35 m 024) Planck constant = 6.6260687(65) x 10^-34 kg-m^2/s 025) relative expansion = 2.8154241(58) x 10^-33 /K 026) electric resistivity = 1.0456155(41) x 10^-30 kg-m^3/A^2-s^3 027) unified substance = 1.6605387(31) x 10^-27 kmol 028) kinematic viscosity = 1.2143880(58) x 10^-26 m^2/s 029) inverse electric current = 8.4334589(42) x 10^-25 /A 030) Boltzmann constant= 1.3806502(93) x 10^-23 kg-m^2/s^2-K 031) thermal resistance = 9.7866124(96) x 10^-21 s^3-K/kg-m^2 032) graviton molality = 3.0433405(93) x 10^-20 kmol/kg 033) elementary charge = 1.6021764(62) x 10^-19 A-s 034) primary radiation = 5.9552136(16) x 10^-17 kg-m^4/s^3 035) specific heat = 2.5303770(42) x 10^-16 m^2/s^2-K 036) magnetic flux q. = 2.0678336(42) x 10^-15 kg-m^2-sr/A-s^2-rad 037) magnetic flux = 4.1356672(77) x 10^-15 kg-m^2/A-s^2 038) electric permittivity = 1.2922425(96) x 10^-13 A^2-s^4/kg-m^3 039) magnetic exposure = 2.9363775(58) x 10^-12 A-s/kg 040) electric constant = 8.854187817... x 10^-12 A^2-s^4-sr/kg-m^3 041) magnetic pole strength = 4.8032041(96) x 10^-11 A-m 042) Newton constant = 6.6723641(43) x 10^-11 m^3/kg-s^2 043) density of states = 2.0392015(07) x 10^-10 s^2/kg-m^2 044) S-B primary constant = 1.3897143(30) x 10^-9 kg/s^3-K^4 045) radiant distribution constant = 3.335640952... x 10^-9 s/m 046) graviton mass constant = 5.4563026(39) x 10^-8 kg 047) molar Planck constant = 3.9903126(87) x 10^-7 kg-m^2/s-kmol 048) magnetic constant = 1.256637061... x 10^-6 kg-m/A^2-s^2-sr 049) electric conductance = 3.8740458(43) x 10^-5 A^2-s^3/kg-m^2 050) conductance q. = 7.7480916(72) x 10^-5 A^2-s^3-rad/kg-m^2-sr 051) magnetic permeability = 8.6102258(15) x 10^-5 kg-m/A^2-s^2 052) fine-structure constant = 7.2973525(36) x 10^-3 /rad 053) second radiation constant = 1.4387752(29) x 10^-2 m-K 054) dielectric constant = 1.4594705(05) x 10^-2 /sr 055) gravitational momentum = 1.6357583(80) x 10^1 kg-m/s 056) relative permeability = 6.8517999(97) x 10^1 sr 057) inverse fine-structure = 1.3703599(97) x 10^2 rad 058) impedance of vacuum = 3.767303134… x 10^2 kg-m^2/A^2-s^3-sr 059) molar gas constant = 8.3144720(88) x 10^3 kg-m^2/s^2-kmol-K 060) spin angle constant = 9.3894326(23) x 10^3 sr-rad 061) i. conductance q. = 1.2906403(83) x 10^4 kg-m^2-sr/A^2-s^3-rad 062) von Klitzing constant = 2.5812807(61) x 10^4 kg-m^2/A^2-s^3 063) inverse gravitational mass = 1.8327429(14) x 10^7 /kg 064) Faraday constant = 9.6485341(30) x 10^7 A-s/kmol 065) speed of light in vacuum = 2.99792458 x 10^8 m/s 066) graviton energy constant = 4.9038802(52) x 10^9 kg-m^2/s^2 067) Josephson primary = 2.4179894(88) x 10^14 A-s^2/kg-m^2 068) Josephson q. = 4.8359789(67) x 10^14 A-s^2-rad/kg-m^2-sr 069) electric displacement = 3.9552465(66) x 10^15 A-s/m 070) absorbed dose = 8.987551787… x 10^16 m^2/s^2 071) luminous density = 2.7467669(26) x 10^17 cd-sr-s/m^3 072) gravity displacement = 4.4930470(15) x 10^18 kg-s/m^2 073) molar mass constant = 3.2858629(17) x 10^19 kg/kmol 074) magnetic potential = 1.0209601(87) x 10^20 kg-m/A-s^2 075) thermal conductance = 1.0218040(21) x 10^20 kg-m^2/s^3-K 076) electric current constant = 1.1857530(90) x 10^24 A 077) luminance constant = 1.2018155(94) x 10^24 cd/m^2 078) luminous flux density = 8.2346000(82) x 10^25 cd-sr/m^2 079) Avogadro constant = 6.0221419(79) x 10^26 /kmol 080) gravitational field = 1.3469816(08) x 10^27 kg/m 081) electric potential = 3.0607616(38) x 10^28 kg-m^2/A-s^3 082) electric conductivity = 9.5637446(19) x 10^29 A^2-s^3/kg-m^3 083) Celcius temperature = 3.5518626(82) x 10^32 K 084) graviton wave number = 2.4686709(99) x 10^34 /m 085) mass flow rate constant = 4.0381492(72) x 10^35 kg/s 086) molar energy = 2.9531863(13) x 10^36 kg-m^2/s^2-kmol 087) surface concentration = 1.0119881(80) x 10^42 kmol/m^2 088) graviton frequency = 7.4008894(66) x 10^42 /s 089) superforce constant = 1.2106066(96) x 10^44 kg-m/s^2 090) luminous intensity i. = 5.0709414(41) x 10^44 /cd 091) angular velocity = 1.0141882(87) x 10^45 rad/s 092) electric flux density = 9.7642024(91) x 10^49 A-s/m^2 093) radiant intensity = 5.2968673(52) x 10^50 kg-m^2/s^3-sr 094) graviton field strength = 2.2187308(44) x 10^51 m/s^2 095) superpower constant = 3.6293075(70) x 10^52 kg-m^2/s^3 096) magnetic flux density = 2.5204148(03) x 10^54 kg/A-s^2 097) thermal conductivity = 2.5224979(53) x 10^54 kg-m/s^3-K 098) magnetic field strength = 2.9272342(65) x 10^58 A/m 099) absorbed dose rate = 6.6515877(33) x 10^59 m^2/s^3 100) graviton surface density = 3.3252544(33) x 10^61 kg/m^2 101) electric field strength = 7.5560134(90) x 10^62 kg-m/A-s^3 102) measurement area i. = 6.0943364(99) x 10^68 /m^2 103) dynamic viscosity = 9.9688619(97) x 10^69 kg/m-s 104) molar concentration = 2.4982658(70) x 10^76 kmol/m^3 105) surface tension constant= 2.9885896(41) x 10^78 kg/s^2 106) electric charge density = 2.4104603(51) x 10^84 A-s/m^3 107) angular acceleration = 7.5058954(07) x 10^87 rad/s^2 108) thermal transfer = 6.2272175(40) x 10^88 kg/s^3-K 109) electric current density = 7.2263783(36) x 10^92 A/m^2 110) luminous efficacy i. = 2.6860104(16) x 10^95 kg-m^2/cd-sr-s^3 111) graviton density constant = 8.2089591(81) x 10^95 kg/m^3 112) measurement density = 1.5044911(77) x 10^103 /m^3 113) radiant density constant = 7.3778445(74) x 10^112 kg/m-s^2 114) radiance constant = 3.2280892(03) x 10^119 kg/s^3-sr 115) irradiance constant = 2.2118221(59) x 10^121 kg/s^3 h is Planck constant, c is speed of light in vacuum, G is Newtonian constant, e is elementary charge, c2 is second radiation, M is molar mass constant, i. is inverse, q. is quantum, and graviton electron. Create a unique symbol for the above measured physical properties lqg, and then balance them into equations like Einstein said for all is unified. Garry W. Denke Geologist/Geophysicist
fafalone Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 And where exactly did you get those values. Because a graviton is most likely massless, and probably not even a force carrier particle (curvature of space time causes the effects of gravity). And since when is gravity luminous... and i can't even image a way for measure the luminosity of a graviton. Further more, there's simply no way a graviton has a mass on the order of 10^-8, which would make it 3^19 times more massive than a proton.
JaKiri Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 The graviton is a carrier particle....... ps graviton time - (hG/c^5)^1/2 = 1.3511889(41) x 10^-43 s graviton mass - (hc/G)^1/2 = 5.4563026(39) x 10^-8 kg graviton length - (hG/c^3)^1/2 = 4.0507625(38) x 10^-35 m graviton current - e/(hG/c^5)^1/2 = 1.1857530(90) x 10^24 A graviton temperature - c2/(hG/c^3)^1/2 = 3.5518626(82) x 10^32 K graviton substance - M/(hc/G)^1/2 = 1.6605387(31) x 10^-27 kmol graviton intensity - (hG/c^5)^1/2/sr = 1.9720204(06) x 10^-45 cd .... Gravitons travel at the speed of light, (there goes mass, length and time), individual particles can't have current, massless particles can't have temperature, and I don't know what the yellow rubbery the last two are about. [edit] This is by definition of the words.
Sayonara Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 MrL_JaKiri said in post #5 :the yellow rubbery Steven Fry's "The Liar"?
lqg Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 wait a minute. do you want to tell me that a graviton isnt a boson?
JaKiri Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 He wants to tell us lots of things. He fails.
Dave Posted September 23, 2003 Posted September 23, 2003 I gave up replying seriously to this sort of stuff ages ago
Garry Denke Posted September 23, 2003 Author Posted September 23, 2003 dave said in post #11 :I gave up I didn't. Kind regards, Garry W. Denke Geologist/Geophysicist
Dave Posted September 24, 2003 Posted September 24, 2003 If you want a proper discussion on the flaws of your "model", then I suggest that you first provide some evidence for it, rather than quoting a lot of numbers along with some units. I find people that misquote what I say to be both quite annoying and immature. If you want to have a discussion about theoretical physics, fine, go for it. If you want to post this kind of inane rubbish with no mathematical proof and no experimental evidence, then I suggest you go elsewhere.
Sayonara Posted September 24, 2003 Posted September 24, 2003 I've already given Garry an administrative warning for insubordination towards Greg, so it's not like he doesn't know it's not considered to be good form.
Garry Denke Posted September 24, 2003 Author Posted September 24, 2003 dave said in post #13 :If you want a proper discussion on the flaws of your "model", then I suggest that you first provide some evidence for it, rather than quoting a lot of numbers along with some units. I find people that misquote what I say to be both quite annoying and immature. If you want to have a discussion about theoretical physics, fine, go for it. If you want to post this kind of inane rubbish with no mathematical proof and no experimental evidence, then I suggest you go elsewhere. With you? You must be joking. THREAD CLOSED
Sayonara Posted September 24, 2003 Posted September 24, 2003 Dave is a senior moderator btw. If you want to be able to indulge your theories here in the future you may want to pay more attention to the way things are done on this site - it's not like you haven't been told before, and it's not like we hide all 'the rules' where people can't see them. Here is the forum information and policy page. Here is a list of forum leaders so you don't make the same mistakes most of the hall of shamers made. Here is a handy guide to avoiding making pseudoscientific gaffes.
fafalone Posted September 24, 2003 Posted September 24, 2003 Garry Denke said in post #15 : THREAD CLOSED A geologist proclaiming that everything we know about the graviton is wrong. This thread is asinine. Thread closed indeed. And filed under Pseudoscience.
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