Organophosphate based weapon synthesis?

[fafalone]

Well, this forum doesn't have any posts so I figured I'd create one... I'm interested in the synthesis of O-ethyl S-diisopropylaminomethyl methylphosphonothiolate. Since this is essentially the most toxic substances known to man, methods of synthesis are quite difficult to find. If anyone knows anywhere to find such an item, or is good enough to derive one yourself from the name (I'm not that good yet ), post a reply

I know that it's a sulfonated organophosphate with the following structure:

CH3 O               CH(CH3)2
 \ ||                /
  P - S - CH2CH2 - N
 /                   \
CH3CH2O          CH(CH3)2

BTW, I'm not a terrorist or arab , i'm just interested in chem/bio weapons.

-and if you thought "wtf is that" when reading this, don't waste your time trying to search for something you don't understand. Google wasn't helpful either.

[blike]

no nerve gas for faf

[kenel]

Evil scientist I tell ya' . :owned:

[Radical Edward]

yes yes, I know all about this

 

you take [classified] ingredients, and mix them together in [classified] proportions in a [classified]. Then pop it all in a good sturdy tray, and stick it in the oven on gas mark three for two hours. Don't open the oven or you will die a horrible death.

 

 

actaully, I don't know a thing about it, heh, sorry ^^

[aman]

Just feed your dog Alpo out of the can. One of the big cans.

Then all you have to do is wait behind him with a baggie.

It'll kill a rat in a sewer.

I wrote a letter to Alpo that their canned dog food almost killed me and my dog. Two weeks later I got a nice letter and a coupon for a case of Alpo. Do you think Alpo is part of the al-kada?

Your equation should be easy to manufacture but I think my way will make em suffer as they go.

Just aman

[chris]

I dont think there are too many people who know how to make bio weapons would be hanging out with us.. If someone in a suit knocks on your door one day. LEt me know ASAP. I wanna disapear.

[kenel]

I honestly have no idea what you meant by that statement chris. Suits? Bioweapons? disappear?

[fafalone]

Originally posted by chris

I dont think there are too many people who know how to make bio weapons would be hanging out with us..

 

any really good organic chemist would know how to do it

[chris]

Well look who everyone is faf... With that, Kenel i mean FBI, knocking on fafs door because he wants to know how to make bio-bombs.

[aman]

With all the meth and other illegal chemicals being produced by idiots, even illiterate assholes, the ability is out there. It's sad but true.

Just aman

[fafalone]

i hope you're not saying everyone who produces those things is an idiot

 

http://fafalone.hypermart.net/drugs/

 

lol

[chris]

rofl @ faf.

[Hogslayer]

faf,

 

My wife actually gets a drug called Caffergot for migraines. These aren't your run-of-the-mill headaches, she actually loses her sight, and at the first sign of one has to take a pill or she is literally blind and in massive pain for a day or two. It is the only thing that works, and she has a hard time finding an old fashioned codger to prescribe it, as they all worry about increased blood pressure and such. At about 2 episodes a year, they are dweebs, IMO. But I digress....

 

I guess from the name this is some kind of caffiene and ergotomine. If it raises blood pressure, it seems like reducing pressure on a nerve is contra-indicated, but I am just guessing at best. One thing I can add, she usually gets a script for a half dozen, not very many. They seem to work much better after they have sat for a number of years (2-5).

 

Can you elaborate any (in lay terms) about what it does or inhibits or whatever?

[Hogslayer]

cyano-something-phosphate with some funky numbers?

 

If no one else throws anything out I'll be a pseudo-genius

[fafalone]

Caffeine works to increase the absorbtion rate and efficiency of ergotamine, which then acts as an adenosine antagonist, and also enhances its activity.

 

But personally, caffeine gives me a headache :/

 

 

 

 

Ergotamine is also a starting point on the road to LSD synthesis

[Hogslayer]

Which is why I posted it here.

[aman]

I've always advocated moderation in all our excesses. I don't see any reason to take any recreational self medication in any way other than natural strengths. Anybody who wants mescaline, psylocybin, coke, or opium, go travel and see the culture around where it's grown and used.

Like Bill Cosby says "Some people say they take drugs so they can ampify their personality. But what if your an asshole?"

I worry about which personalities are being amplified.:flame:

Just aman

[fafalone]

Well, there's that drug they've got over in Asia that sends users into a homicidal rage...

 

 

And please don't confuse drug "use" with "abuse" like the government does. Some drugs are good, especially in moderation and infrequently... like lsd and mdma; as long as you're responsible, know your mind, and know the drug, you can have a good time. If you're against proper use of drugs, you certainly can't support alcohol being legal without being a flagrant hypocrite.

[aman]

I hope responsible people are a silent majority and the irresponsible ones are like squeeky wheels. We only notice them because of the trouble they cause. If everybody was responsible there would be no problems.

A few knuckleheads are spoiling things for everyone.:toilet:

It pisses me off too.:flame:

Free choice should be absolute but some damn assholes go kill people and hurt people and cut drugs with trash and steal to buy drugs and that screws up the whole equation.

Pisses me off.:flame: :flame:

Just aman

[Hogslayer]

My experimenting days are long passed.

 

I can honestly say that the only thing I actually learned was that as an enhancement to daily life, there is no substance that can substitute for the holy three: Risk, Reward and Recognition.

 

It is a benefit in being a parent to have been there, done that. But how do you make a young person understand where you are coming from? I can honestly say that no one loses simply because they haven't experienced some mind altering chemical. Kind of like bungee jumping, it might be fun, it will certainly be unique, but you aren't going to be mentally stunted if you don't jump off a bridge with a rubber band tied to your ankle.

 

If you have something to prove, prove it to yourself. No one else counts, in that respect.

[Polverone]

It doesn't have detailed weapon-production information, but I think that you will enjoy Some aspects of the chemistry and toxic action of organic compounds containing phosphorus and fluorine, made available by yours truly.

 

http://bcis.pacificu.edu/~polverone/PF.html

[fafalone]

Can't seem to open that with Acrobat 5.0

[Polverone]

Opens fine for me with Acrobat 5.0.5 - maybe the minor version number is important too.

[fafalone]

Nevermind, I downloaded it again and it opened.

[greg1917]

going back to the original subject of this thread, u named VX gas via its proper name. no one will be able to able to name the reagents. no one will know the synthesis componenents of this compound. so dont bother trying to find out. If anyone does name either of these you are breaking the official secrets act and are also doing so on a public internet forum, meaing the MI5 assassination man will be calling shortly...

 

a brief history of VX gas: invented in 1952 in Porton Down, UK, this is the only nerve gas invented since WW2 (that has been told to the public...) and is, as u say, the deadliest stuff known to man. of particular importance is its surprising adhesive ability which means it sticks ( ) around for ages and kills anyone whos tried to remove it. usually in the liquid phase in spite of its name, it takes an hour or two b4 u notice the effects. in the gas phase, its horrible and is more potent, requiring an immediate into-heart injection (a la The Rock with Nick Cage). more deadly than sarin, this stuff does exactly what it says on the tin. when i say tin, i mean missile which mixes reagents mid flight as the end product is so dealy the missile launch crew dont fire it with the end product already loaded.